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Albion said:

Indeed. It clearly shows that these two supported the candidacy of Trump over Hillary Clinton. It is purely wrong to take that fact and then say, insinuate, or imply that this means he supported them or that he is sympathetic to anything they profess.

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I completely agree. When did I ever suggest that Trump (or any other Republican) supported or was sympathetic to Nazis? In fact, I specifically wrote that you cannot conclude from Nazi support for Republicans that Republicans support Nazis. So who are you responding to here?

Albion said:

As noted, earlier, there are similarly disreputable organizations that endorsed Clinton instead of Trump, and it would be wrong to say that, ergo, she believes what they do.

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Exactly my original point.

Now, do you have any evidence that the Democratic Party supports socialism or communism?

Jamsie said:

Bernie Sanders is a Democratic socialist not a communist.

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He wants you to think that now, but he also was formerly a candidate of a Trotskyite party. I'm counting on you to know that Leon Trotsky was no "Democratic Socialist."

sfs said:

I completely agree. When did I ever suggest that Trump (or any other Republican) supported or was sympathetic to Nazis?

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You posted one side of the story and I reminded you and any other reader that there are two sides. Also, that when we have only two political candidates for president with any chance of victory, each of them is going to collect endorsements from all sorts of organizations. It does not mean that the candidate necessarily agrees with any of them.

Albion said:

He wants you to think that now, but he also was formerly a candidate of a Trotskyite party. I'm counting on you to know that Leon Trotsky was no "Democratic Socialist."

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Just as I would not contend that an Atheist who converted to Christianity was still an atheist, I would not hold certain views of one's youth against one in maturity. Sander's views and policies have been very consistent for decades...agree or disagree, more "radical" ideas are not uncommon to youth.

Jamsie said:

Just as I would not contend that an Atheist who converted to Christianity was still an atheist....

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In that case, the person you are describing explicitly renounces his previous beliefs or decisions. Do you have any evidence this applies in the case of Sen. Sanders? I have not found any.

Albion said:

You posted one side of the story and I reminded you and any other reader that there are two sides. Also, that when we have only two political candidates for president with any chance of victory, each of them is going to collect endorsements from all sorts of organizations. It does not mean that the candidate necessarily agrees with any of them.

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You still seem to be responding to statements I never made. Are you reading this thread? The only reason I introduced Nazis was to point out that one cannot draw conclusions about Republicans or Democrats based on what fringe groups support them. That was in response to the argument that communists have supported Democrats. So my post was the other side of the story.

Now, do you have any evidence that the Democratic Party supports socialism or communism? That is, after all, the point of this thread, and you said it was something you knew.

sfs said:

You still seem to be responding to statements I never made. Are you reading this thread? The only reason I introduced Nazis was to point out that one cannot draw conclusions about Republicans or Democrats based on what fringe groups support them. That was in response to the argument that communists have supported Democrats. So my post was the other side of the story. .

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Had that explanation been included, instead of posting two news notes without comment, it might have helped, don't you think? And you attached them to a quote of mine in which I asked for some information. These questions were not answered there, but the invitation remains open.

People who think that the Democratic Party is communist and/or socialist do not know what the Democratic Party stands for or know what communism / socialism are.

sfs said:

You might be aware that historically he's not a Democrat.

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He's also not a Communist.

-CryptoLutheran

Albion said:

He wants you to think that now, but he also was formerly a candidate of a Trotskyite party. I'm counting on you to know that Leon Trotsky was no "Democratic Socialist."

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Man, if you think what Bernie was/did in his past is bad, I can't imagine what you'll say once you learn of some of the things Donald Trump has said and done in his lifetime.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

He's also not a Communist.

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Yeah, I know that, but there are a limit to the number of rabbit holes I want to dive down.

Official statement from a well known white nationalist website fascist sewage pit and its murk dwellers:



-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

Man, if you think what Bernie was/did in his past is bad, I can't imagine what you'll say once you learn of some of the things Donald Trump has said and done in his lifetime.

-CryptoLutheran

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I said Bernie was a Trotskyite. If you want to discuss the nature of the Democratic Party--which is the topic here--do that.

Albion said:

Had that explanation been included, instead of posting two news notes without comment, it might have helped, don't you think?

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I did include it, in my original post on the subject. Here it is in its entirety: "And Neo-Nazis tend to vote Republican and are willing to work with them on political agendas. That doesn't make the Republican party a bunch of Nazis." I stated my point clearly there. I know you read it since you quoted it, although for some reason you left off the last sentence.

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And you attached them to a quote of mine in which I asked for some information. These questions were not answered there, but the invitation remains open.

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Your questions were answered, with quotations of political support for a Republican candidate from leading neo-Nazis. Meanwhile, you have provided not a shred of evidence for your own assertions about Democrats. Why not?

Deleted. This post was childish and I apologize.

sfs said:

I did include it, in my original post on the subject.

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Very well, if for some reason I was supposed to reply to all of your posts at once, I don't see that you have any reason to complain about the response.

sethrak said:

The Democratic party was once a fine American party with some alternate thought and thrusts.

That was before the Democratic Party was taken over swallowed by a political system born in outside of America~that system has taken hold of many countries~some have broken free~some are still in bondage.

Communism and it's alter ego Socialism have not worked well in any country whos throat has been held and its people chained in fear and oppression.

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Do you agree or think it different? Let us hear what you think~

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The Democratic Party was never loyal to the United States. When Abraham Lincoln, a Republican, was elected president and abolished slavery, the southern states, which is where the Democrats dominated, seceded from the Union and formed the Confederate States and then started a terrible war to preserve slavery.

I realize that no Democrat politician would ever support slavery today. But still, the Democratic Party is forever besmirched.

Angel Wings 1288 said:

The Democratic Party was never loyal to the United States. When Abraham Lincoln, a Republican, was elected president and abolished slavery, the southern states, which is where the Democrats dominated, seceded from the Union and formed the Confederate States and then started a terrible war to preserve slavery.

I realize that no Democrat politician would ever support slavery today. But still, the Democratic Party is forever besmirched.

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You do realize that this happened 150 years ago and that the parties have changed over time, right?

Also, the southern states were Southern Democrats and the northern states were Northern Democrats. They each had their own presidential nominee:
United States presidential election, 1860 - Wikipedia

The Southern Democrats espoused states' rights and small government - positions much more aligned to the Republicans of today than the Democrats.

EpiscipalMe said:

You do realize that this happened 150 years ago and that the parties have changed over time, right?

Also, the southern states were Southern Democrats and the northern states were Northern Democrats. They each had their own presidential nominee:
United States presidential election, 1860 - Wikipedia

The Southern Democrats espoused states' rights and small government - positions much more aligned to the Republicans of today than the Democrats.

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And Abraham Lincoln was dead before slavery was abolished in the US.