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I see where you are confused. You are confused with this statement

"The Holy days you referenced from Col 2 is talking about the same context and reference to special annual Jewish Festivals holy days"

The "context" is the Jewish annual festivals I am really not sure why you are confused about that? I am not saying in that statement that the Holy days and the annual Sabbath(s) are the same thing. Only that the "context" of Col 2 is referring to the Jewish Festivals and the ceremonial laws of Moses in Lev 23.

Hope that helps your confusion

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Maybe your posts would not be so confusing if you would clearly explain the distinction between the "holiday" in Colossians 2 and the "sabbath days" in Colossians 2. You are still not making that clear distinction.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Colossians 2:16).

You say the "holyday" in Colossians 2 is referring to the annual festival days.

But what exactly are the "sabbath days" in Colossians 2, if not the weekly sabbaths?


Edit: This post was repeated in my other thread, so you can ignore that post.
 
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Hello Friend,

What I have posted above is the result of my own bible study and time with Jesus. It is no one else's work but my own. I share it with you because I love God's Word. Even if anyone posts something from someone else if it is the truth just because it may have been cut and paste does not make it error. Anyhow the above and the OP is my own bible study and time with Jesus. So I share it with you all because I love God's Word

In Christ Always
i can tell thatyou are so proud of your Bible study that you refuse to consider it just might not be the truth. Did you think everyone would just fall in line and start giving you accolades? The proof of whether The Seventh-day Sabbath is part of Col2:16 is found in 2Cor3:7-11 and negates your study. You need to go back and find out where you erred because as of now you are in conflict with the new covenant.
 
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Maybe your posts would not be so confusing if you would clearly explain the distinction between the "holiday" in Colossians 2 and the "sabbath days" in Colossians 2. You are still not making that clear distinction. "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Colossians 2:16).You say the "holyday" in Colossians 2 is referring to the annual festival days. But what exactly are the "sabbath days" in Colossians 2, if not the weekly sabbaths? Edit: This post was repeated in my other thread, so you can ignore that post.

Hi Doveaman,

How are you today? Good I hope?

You are saying my posts are confusing to you in regards to Col 2 because I have not described the difference between "Holy days and Sabbath(s) referred to in Col 2:16? My posts are not confusing at all. because if you read the OP here in page 1 these have already been described. So maybe the confusion as mentioned earlier is on your side because you did not read the post. :)

Here let me cut and paste snippets again for you from the OP here.

Holy days
The word rendered "holy-day" - ἑορτὴ heortē - in the Greek means a "feast" or "festival;"

Sabbath(s)
It is interesting to note in the Old Testament the word Sabbath (shabbath 7676 from shabath 7673 meaning “rest”) is not only used for the weekly Sabbath but is also applied to the first and last days of the annual Jewish Festivals. The Greek word for sabbath used G4521; σάββατο; sabbaton which means to cease from secular labor, stop work, rest and does not need to apply to the 7th Day only but any day that God says not to work on. These days of ceasing from work in Lev chapter 23 are referred to as Holy convocations and no work was allowed on these days.

The monthly New Moon Sabbaths
in relation to these festivals could fall on any day of the week. These were to start the beginning of the annual Jewish feasts. They were to be rest (Sabbath) days and restricted or no work was to be done. (Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

High Sabbaths, in most Christian and Messianic Jewish usage, are seven annual Biblical festivals and rest days, recorded in the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy.This is an extension of the term "high day" found in the King James Version at John 19:31-42. The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Lev. 23). They are observed by Jews and a minority of Christians. Three of them occur in spring: the first and seventh days of Pesach (Passover), and Shavuot (Pentecost) which occurs in summer. Three occur in fall, in the seventh month, and are also called shabbaton: Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets); Yom Kippur, the "Sabbath of Sabbaths" (Atonement); and the first and eighth days of Sukkoth (Tabernacles). Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals. The Gospel of John says of the night immediately following Christ's burial that "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31-42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. (In other systems, it was Nisan 14, i.e., weekly but not annual Sabbath.) The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English (source: wiki).

So clearly there is no confusion on my part if I have already provided you the answer. It looks like the confusion is with you my friend. If we are breaking God's commandments to follow man made traditions we are not following Jesus (Mark 7:5-13). God is calling us to follow Jesus according to His Word (Matt 4:4). If we do not follow God according to His Words then the Word of God teaches that these people are "Unbelievers" and unbelievers have no part in the Kingdom of Heaven. My prayer is that you may receive all of God's Word and follow Jesus in Spirit and in Truth (John 4:24).

In Christ always!
 
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i can tell thatyou are so proud of your Bible study that you refuse to consider it just might not be the truth. Did you think everyone would just fall in line and start giving you accolades? The proof of whether The Seventh-day Sabbath is part of Col2:16 is found in 2Cor3:7-11 and negates your study. You need to go back and find out where you erred because as of now you are in conflict with the new covenant.

Hi Bob,

Just saying something is not truth because you say so does not mean what your saying is true. Please by all means prove what you are saying and show me through the Word of God why you believe it is not true? I do not understand why people have so many opinions but do not refer to God's Word. It is only God's Word that is truth (Acts 5:29). I am only sharing God's Word with you. 2 Cor supports what I am presenting here and has been addressed by the many scriptures I have already provided you (referred to in post 148 linked again for you and others). You only wish to hold on to your interpretation of God's Word because you do not like the scriptures presented to you because it shows that Sunday Worship is a tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God as spoken by Jesus in Mark 7:5-13.

Everything I am presenting from God's Word is in harmony with God's Word. If you are knowingly and willfully following traditions that break God's commandments this is SIN. God's Word tells us that SIN is the transgression of God's Law. If you knowingly and willfully break God's Law you are not following God and are in danger of the judgement. My prayer to you is that you will receive the Word of God that Jesus has given to us. (1 John 2:3-4; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:3-10). It is the Word of God that will judge us in the last days not who has the best opinion (John 12:47-50)

In Christ Always!
 
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Ok Guys,

I am going to continue on with the OP of this thread looking at the Shadow Sabbath(s) of the Jewish annual Festivals.

PART 3

Col 2:14-17,

The Shadow Sabbaths of Colossians 2:17 and Hebrews....


Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

What was nailed to the cross? Verse 13 states that those dead in their sinful flesh have been made alive by Christ who forgives all their sins. So in that context, verse 14 is clearly saying that the list of our trespasses, our sins, our breaking of the Ten Commandments is nailed to the cross. We are forgiven of all our sins at the cross. Verse 15 declares victory over the works of Satan and his fallen angels at the cross.

There are some who would point to Colossians 2:16 as evidence that today the Christian is released by God from observing any holy day what-so-ever, that the 10 Commandments themselves were nailed to the cross. The main reason they cite this verse is to show that there is no need for the "New Testament" Christian to observe the biblical Sabbath day (Saturday), and that anyone who does advocate Sabbath keeping is a legalist and an enemy of salvation by grace alone. Usually though, they do not quote verse 17, and rarely if ever do the explain the relevance of verse 17.

The passage should be considered as a complete sentence as follows:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Prophetic Shadow Sabbaths


Verse 17 is saying that the sabbath days referred to in verse 16 were "shadows" of things to come. So what does that mean?
Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern showed to thee in the mount.
Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The law spoken of there is the ceremonial law, the yearly calendar connected with the symbolic sacrificial system of animal sacrifices, and offerings of food and drink at the Temple. As Heb 10:4 states, the animal sacrifices were incapable of taking away sins, and those sacrifices were offered repeatedly year by year (v. 1), according to the ceremonial law. These powerless sacrifices could only remind the sinner of their sin (v. 3). But the body of Christ is introduced in verse 5, which would be offered once to take away sins (v. 10). As verse 9 states, the first (ceremonial animal sacrifices) were taken away by the second, the sacrifice of Christ. So it is the ceremonial system of animal sacrifices and their associated shadow sabbaths that ended at the cross. That is also what Hebrews 9, cited above, is saying, that this reformation happened with the shedding of Christ's blood, providing the eternal redemption that was not possible by the animal sacrifices of the earthly (first) tabernacle.

Ezekiel refers to the ceremonial sacrificial offerings to be made at the tabernacle in a way nearly identical to Colossians:

Ezek 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

Scripture makes a distinction between the ten commandments and ceremonial law, and speaks of the ceremonial law in the same way that Colossians 2:14 does:

Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
Deu 4:14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.
Deu 31:9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.
Deu 31:10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,
Deu 31:11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.
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Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

2 Chr 33:8 Neither will I any more remove the foot of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.
Note that the yearly ceremonial days are ordinances (statutes):
Num 9:12 They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances [H2708. chuqqah] of the passover they shall keep it.
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Num 9:14 And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover unto the LORD; according to the ordinance [H2708. chuqqah] of the passover, and according to the manner thereof, so shall he do: ye shall have one ordinance, both for the stranger, and for him that was born in the land.

Lev 16:29 And this shall be a statute [H2708. chuqqah] for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
Lev 16:34 And this shall be an everlasting statute [H2708. chuqqah] unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses.
Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
Lev 23:40 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
Lev 23:41 And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute [H2708. chuqqah] for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.

The ceremonial law, the ordinances written by the hand of Moses in a book, was clearly distinct from the Ten Commandments, which were written by the finger of God on tables of stone. In Leviticus, Moses makes note of the fact that the yearly ceremonial sabbaths, instituted for the purpose of offerings and sacrifices, were separate and distinct from the weekly Sabbath:

Lev 23:37 These are the [yearly] feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations [sabbaths], to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, everything upon his day: [referred to in Col. 2:16-17]
Lev 23:38 Beside the [weekly seventh day] sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
In other words, the yearly ceremonial sabbaths set forth in Leviticus 23 were distinct from, and in addition to, the seventh day weekly Sabbath of the Lord, particularly with respect to the fact that sacrifices were necessary in order to observe the symbolic ceremonial days.
1 Chr 23:31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the sabbaths, in the new moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD:
2 Chr 35:6 So kill the passover, and sanctify yourselves, and prepare your brethren, that they may do according to the word of the LORD by the hand of Moses.

The yearly sabbaths were all set according to the new moons, which marked the beginning of the month. They were observed in the order and on the dates set by God at Sinai for the purpose of making sacrifices. The weekly seventh day Sabbath commandment is distinctive, in that it does not have any intrinsic requirement for sacrifices or burnt offerings (Exo. 20:8-11, Deut 5:12-15), and it is not set by the new moon.

Nehemiah also calls special attention to the seventh day Sabbath:

Neh 9:13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:
Neh 9:14 And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:

The yearly ceremonial sabbaths that the Jews observed in connection with the Temple or Sanctuary were a shadow, or prophetic in nature, of future events. Every year the Jews were acting out the plan of salvation as demonstrated by the Temple sacrifices and ceremonies. The whole process was designed as a play of sorts, to explain to everyone the exact sequence of events in God's plan to redeem mankind. The focus of this plan, of course, is Jesus Christ in his role as the Lamb of God, as well as his role of High Priest or Mediator between God the Father and humanity.

It is essential that one have a basic understanding of the ceremonial calendar associated with the Hebrew Sanctuary. God intended the Sanctuary and it's services as an instructional tool to teach all people His plan of salvation, and I believe every Christian can benefit greatly from studying it. It has particular relevance near the end of time, because it lays out in detail the sequential process of events that God is using and will follow in the very near future.

In brief, these were the yearly ceremonial days observed and associated sabbaths.

Spring Calendar:

· Passover, The crucifixion, Jesus is God's Passover Lamb. (14 Nisan, not a Sabbath)
· Feast of Unleavened Bread (Pilgrimage to Jerusalem required for all men.) Putting away sin from one's life.
o Sabbath of 15 Nisan, 1st day of the feast.
o The Omer, first fruits of the barley harvest, 16 Nisan. Resurrection.
o Sabbath of 21 Nisan, 7th and last day of the feast.
· Feast of Weeks - Pentecost, a sabbath day 50 days after the Omer (Pilgrimage to Jerusalem required for all men.) Firstfruits of the wheat harvest. The outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

Fall Calendar:

· Trumpets, Sabbath of 1 Tishri, Announcement of impending judgment.
· Day of Atonement, Sabbath of 10 Tishri, The pre-Advent Judgment.
· Feast of Tabernacles (Pilgrimage to Jerusalem required for all men.) The ingathering of God's people - the second coming.
o Sabbath of 15 Tishri, 1st day of Tabernacles, freed from the bondage of sin.
o Sabbath of 22 Tishri, 8th and last day of Tabernacles.

Prior to the incarnation of Jesus and his crucifixion, all the above festivals awaited their fulfillment. They were what are called "types". They were symbolic of specific events yet to come. The event that is foretold is referred to as the "antitype". In the New Testament, the Greek words corresponding to type and antitype are:

G5179. tupos, too'-pos; from G5180; a die (as struck), i.e. (by impl.) a stamp or scar; by anal. a shape, i.e. a statue, (fig.) style or resemblance; spec. a sampler ("type"), i.e. a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning):--en- (ex-) ample, fashion, figure, form, manner, pattern, print.
G499. antitupon, an-teet'-oo-pon; neut. of a comp. of G473 and G5179; corresponding ["antitype"], i.e. a representative, counterpart:--(like) figure (whereunto).
The "shadow" or "type" itself had no substance, but rather pointed to a future event that would have substance, the "antitype". For example, slaying the Passover lamb is the type, the crucifixion of Jesus is the antitype. (source and more info)

PART 1 in found in post 1

PART 2 is found here in post 149

PART 3 is found here in post 165https://www.christianforums.com/thr...h-from-gods-word.8021854/page-9#post-71642061

PART 4 in found in post 218

PART 5 is found in post 1639

God bless you will do a small add on to this....
 
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Hi Bob,

Just saying something is not truth because you say so does not mean what your saying is true. Please by all means prove what you are saying and show me through the Word of God why you believe it is not true?
I did and you will not entertain it. 2Cor 3 says the 10 commandments were temporary commands. Sabbath was a ritual commandment, one of the 10 commandments, so it too was temporary, making Col 2:16 read just like it is without your interpretation.

I do not understand why people have so many opinions but do not refer to God's Word. It is only God's Word that is truth (Acts 5:29). I am only sharing God's Word with you. 2 Cor supports what I am presenting here and has been addressed by the many scriptures I have already provided you (referred to in post 148 linked again for you and others). You only wish to hold on to your interpretation of God's Word because you do not like the scriptures presented to you because it shows that Sunday Worship is a tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God as spoken by Jesus in Mark 7:5-13.
Sunday, Sunday, Any day but Sunday. You and Ellen are so fixed on Sunday. You tell us it is so wrong to worship Jesus on Sunday.

Everything I am presenting from God's Word is in harmony with God's Word.
So I guess everything I have presented is from Satan. 2Cor3:7-11 is from Satan?
the 10 commandments were not temporary laws as 2Cor 3:7-11 indicates? I guess 2Cor 3:7-11 really comes from Satan then?

If you are knowingly and willfully following traditions that break God's commandments this is SIN.
There is no command to keep Sabbath, where there is no command there is no sin. Isn't that the rule?

God's Word tells us that SIN is the transgression of God's Law.
What law? The laws given to Adam, Noah, Abraham, or the 613 laws given only to Israel? Since there is no "10" in transgression of God's Law then you cannot tell us transgression of the 10 commandments.

If you knowingly and willfully break God's Law you are not following God and are in danger of the judgement. My prayer to you is that you will receive the Word of God that Jesus has given to us. (1 John 2:3-4; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:3-10). It is the Word of God that will judge us in the last days not who has the best opinion (John 12:47-50)
That statement reeks of salvation by works of the Law.

You might as well tell me because I believe in Jesus and love others as Jesus loves us I am in danger of the judgement? John tells me something very different. He tells me in verse 19 of 1jn3 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence:.......believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

I do not see any command there that tells me I face the judgement if I worship on Sunday and do not keep Sabbath. By denying Paul's words to us that the 10 cs were temporary and telling us something different than what John is telling us, well, I am glad not to be the judge.
 
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Ok Guys,

I am going to continue on with the OP of this thread looking at the Shadow Sabbath(s) of the Jewish annual Festivals.

PART 3

Col 2:14-17,

The Shadow Sabbaths of Colossians 2:17 and Hebrews....


Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

What was nailed to the cross? Verse 13 states that those dead in their sinful flesh have been made alive by Christ who forgives all their sins. So in that context, verse 14 is clearly saying that the list of our trespasses, our sins, our breaking of the Ten Commandments is nailed to the cross. We are forgiven of all our sins at the cross. Verse 15 declares victory over the works of Satan and his fallen angels at the cross.

There are some who would point to Colossians 2:16 as evidence that today the Christian is released by God from observing any holy day what-so-ever, that the 10 Commandments themselves were nailed to the cross. The main reason they cite this verse is to show that there is no need for the "New Testament" Christian to observe the biblical Sabbath day (Saturday), and that anyone who does advocate Sabbath keeping is a legalist and an enemy of salvation by grace alone. Usually though, they do not quote verse 17, and rarely if ever do the explain the relevance of verse 17.

The passage should be considered as a complete sentence as follows:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Prophetic Shadow Sabbaths


Verse 17 is saying that the sabbath days referred to in verse 16 were "shadows" of things to come. So what does that mean?
Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern showed to thee in the mount.
Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The law spoken of there is the ceremonial law, the yearly calendar connected with the symbolic sacrificial system of animal sacrifices, and offerings of food and drink at the Temple. As Heb 10:4 states, the animal sacrifices were incapable of taking away sins, and those sacrifices were offered repeatedly year by year (v. 1), according to the ceremonial law. These powerless sacrifices could only remind the sinner of their sin (v. 3). But the body of Christ is introduced in verse 5, which would be offered once to take away sins (v. 10). As verse 9 states, the first (ceremonial animal sacrifices) were taken away by the second, the sacrifice of Christ. So it is the ceremonial system of animal sacrifices and their associated shadow sabbaths that ended at the cross. That is also what Hebrews 9, cited above, is saying, that this reformation happened with the shedding of Christ's blood, providing the eternal redemption that was not possible by the animal sacrifices of the earthly (first) tabernacle.

Ezekiel refers to the ceremonial sacrificial offerings to be made at the tabernacle in a way nearly identical to Colossians:

Ezek 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

Scripture makes a distinction between the ten commandments and ceremonial law, and speaks of the ceremonial law in the same way that Colossians 2:14 does:

Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
Deu 4:14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.
Deu 31:9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.
Deu 31:10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,
Deu 31:11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.
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Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

2 Chr 33:8 Neither will I any more remove the foot of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.
Note that the yearly ceremonial days are ordinances (statutes):
Num 9:12 They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances [H2708. chuqqah] of the passover they shall keep it.
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Num 9:14 And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover unto the LORD; according to the ordinance [H2708. chuqqah] of the passover, and according to the manner thereof, so shall he do: ye shall have one ordinance, both for the stranger, and for him that was born in the land.

Lev 16:29 And this shall be a statute [H2708. chuqqah] for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
Lev 16:34 And this shall be an everlasting statute [H2708. chuqqah] unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses.
Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
Lev 23:40 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
Lev 23:41 And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute [H2708. chuqqah] for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.

The ceremonial law, the ordinances written by the hand of Moses in a book, was clearly distinct from the Ten Commandments, which were written by the finger of God on tables of stone. In Leviticus, Moses makes note of the fact that the yearly ceremonial sabbaths, instituted for the purpose of offerings and sacrifices, were separate and distinct from the weekly Sabbath:

Lev 23:37 These are the [yearly] feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations [sabbaths], to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, everything upon his day: [referred to in Col. 2:16-17]
Lev 23:38 Beside the [weekly seventh day] sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
In other words, the yearly ceremonial sabbaths set forth in Leviticus 23 were distinct from, and in addition to, the seventh day weekly Sabbath of the Lord, particularly with respect to the fact that sacrifices were necessary in order to observe the symbolic ceremonial days.
1 Chr 23:31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the sabbaths, in the new moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD:
2 Chr 35:6 So kill the passover, and sanctify yourselves, and prepare your brethren, that they may do according to the word of the LORD by the hand of Moses.

The yearly sabbaths were all set according to the new moons, which marked the beginning of the month. They were observed in the order and on the dates set by God at Sinai for the purpose of making sacrifices. The weekly seventh day Sabbath commandment is distinctive, in that it does not have any intrinsic requirement for sacrifices or burnt offerings (Exo. 20:8-11, Deut 5:12-15), and it is not set by the new moon.

Nehemiah also calls special attention to the seventh day Sabbath:

Neh 9:13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:
Neh 9:14 And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:

The yearly ceremonial sabbaths that the Jews observed in connection with the Temple or Sanctuary were a shadow, or prophetic in nature, of future events. Every year the Jews were acting out the plan of salvation as demonstrated by the Temple sacrifices and ceremonies. The whole process was designed as a play of sorts, to explain to everyone the exact sequence of events in God's plan to redeem mankind. The focus of this plan, of course, is Jesus Christ in his role as the Lamb of God, as well as his role of High Priest or Mediator between God the Father and humanity.

It is essential that one have a basic understanding of the ceremonial calendar associated with the Hebrew Sanctuary. God intended the Sanctuary and it's services as an instructional tool to teach all people His plan of salvation, and I believe every Christian can benefit greatly from studying it. It has particular relevance near the end of time, because it lays out in detail the sequential process of events that God is using and will follow in the very near future.

In brief, these were the yearly ceremonial days observed and associated sabbaths.

Spring Calendar:

· Passover, The crucifixion, Jesus is God's Passover Lamb. (14 Nisan, not a Sabbath)
· Feast of Unleavened Bread (Pilgrimage to Jerusalem required for all men.) Putting away sin from one's life.
o Sabbath of 15 Nisan, 1st day of the feast.
o The Omer, first fruits of the barley harvest, 16 Nisan. Resurrection.
o Sabbath of 21 Nisan, 7th and last day of the feast.
· Feast of Weeks - Pentecost, a sabbath day 50 days after the Omer (Pilgrimage to Jerusalem required for all men.) Firstfruits of the wheat harvest. The outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

Fall Calendar:

· Trumpets, Sabbath of 1 Tishri, Announcement of impending judgment.
· Day of Atonement, Sabbath of 10 Tishri, The pre-Advent Judgment.
· Feast of Tabernacles (Pilgrimage to Jerusalem required for all men.) The ingathering of God's people - the second coming.
o Sabbath of 15 Tishri, 1st day of Tabernacles, freed from the bondage of sin.
o Sabbath of 22 Tishri, 8th and last day of Tabernacles.

Prior to the incarnation of Jesus and his crucifixion, all the above festivals awaited their fulfillment. They were what are called "types". They were symbolic of specific events yet to come. The event that is foretold is referred to as the "antitype". In the New Testament, the Greek words corresponding to type and antitype are:

G5179. tupos, too'-pos; from G5180; a die (as struck), i.e. (by impl.) a stamp or scar; by anal. a shape, i.e. a statue, (fig.) style or resemblance; spec. a sampler ("type"), i.e. a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning):--en- (ex-) ample, fashion, figure, form, manner, pattern, print.
G499. antitupon, an-teet'-oo-pon; neut. of a comp. of G473 and G5179; corresponding ["antitype"], i.e. a representative, counterpart:--(like) figure (whereunto).
The "shadow" or "type" itself had no substance, but rather pointed to a future event that would have substance, the "antitype". For example, slaying the Passover lamb is the type, the crucifixion of Jesus is the antitype. (more info)

PART 1;
PART 2.


God bless you will do a small add on to this....
I'm curious. Why don't you agree with the sda church, in regard to people who have no consciousness they sin by not observing a specific Saturday sabbath are accepted as Christians?
For you have made clear your view that is not possible. You say if you don't obey the TC( including observing a set Saturday sabbath) you cannot be saved.
Are you not under the authority of your church?
I assume now you are sda.
If not, please correct my false assumption
 
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Hi Doveaman,

How are you today? Good I hope?

You are saying my posts are confusing to you in regards to Col 2 because I have not described the difference between "Holy days and Sabbath(s) referred to in Col 2:16? My posts are not confusing at all. because if you read the OP here in page 1 these have already been described. So maybe the confusion as mentioned earlier is on your side because you did not read the post. :)

Here let me cut and paste snippets again for you from the OP here.

Holy days


Sabbath(s)


So clearly there is no confusion on my part if I have already provided you the answer. It looks like the confusion is with you my friend. If we are breaking God's commandments to follow man made traditions we are not following Jesus (Mark 7:5-13). God is calling us to follow Jesus according to His Word (Matt 4:4). If we do not follow God according to His Words then the Word of God teaches that these people are "Unbelievers" and unbelievers have no part in the Kingdom of Heaven. My prayer is that you may receive all of God's Word and follow Jesus in Spirit and in Truth (John 4:24).

In Christ always!
Colossians 2 isn't a commentary about holy days, it's a list.
 
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Hi Bob,

Just saying something is not truth because you say so does not mean what your saying is true. Please by all means prove what you are saying and show me through the Word of God why you believe it is not true? I do not understand why people have so many opinions but do not refer to God's Word. It is only God's Word that is truth (Acts 5:29). I am only sharing God's Word with you. 2 Cor supports what I am presenting here and has been addressed by the many scriptures I have already provided you (referred to in post 148 linked again for you and others). You only wish to hold on to your interpretation of God's Word because you do not like the scriptures presented to you because it shows that Sunday Worship is a tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God as spoken by Jesus in Mark 7:5-13.

Everything I am presenting from God's Word is in harmony with God's Word. If you are knowingly and willfully following traditions that break God's commandments this is SIN. God's Word tells us that SIN is the transgression of God's Law. If you knowingly and willfully break God's Law you are not following God and are in danger of the judgement. My prayer to you is that you will receive the Word of God that Jesus has given to us. (1 John 2:3-4; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:3-10). It is the Word of God that will judge us in the last days not who has the best opinion (John 12:47-50)

In Christ Always!
In-other-words anyone not subjecting themselves to the covenant given to Israel at Sinai isn't a Christian. My Bible doesn't promote that.
 
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I personally think you're nothing more that a post (traffic) generator. I'm not reading long posts.
I don't read long posts either. They are normally written by people who can quote the letter immensley, but cannot discern the spiritual message contained in it.
 
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I went to an SDA church for a couple of months, to please a friend, with an open mind. I genuinely did. Having been raised in an exclusive church, I wanted to be inclusive. I figured if the only real difference was which day they went to church that wasn't a problem. For in rom ch14 Paul wrote of what he termed disputable matters. In other words, you can hold to either view. And one of the things he mentioned was, you can hold one day as more sacred/ holy than another or treat every day alike.
The problem was though, people in the church kept insisting: you must obey the TC. It is very OC to make such a statement. People do in other churches I have been to, but not so much. and people at the church, as sda on this website openly state that is your justification to enter heaven. The op believes that as well, no matter how much he pleads he doesn't, for to him, you can only remain justified/ righteous before God if you obey the TC.

The problem was never the legalistic law, only the moral law. People who didnt know God in Jesus day could faultlessly obey the legalistic law, as could Saul the pharisee, but they could not obey the moral law. Indeed, if only legalistic law existed, Jesus need not have died at calvary.
So what does obeying the moral law/ entail to a typical sda? Well speaking from what I saw. Going to church on a Saturday, avoiding the Levitical unclean foods( hardly moral law in my view) tithing their money, avoiding alcohol and smoking. Not using foul language, or taking the Lord's name in vain( those who understood what that commandment entailed) not stealing obviously not committing murder, not committing the physical act if aduktery, and honouring your parents I guess( that wasn't mentioned much.) However, obeying the TC goes much further than that, as Christ and Paul explained.
The tenth commandment for many sda was a huge stumbling block. We all as Christians can suffer with many trials concerning that particular commandment, but just being honest, I saw more flagrant breaking of that commandment in the sda church, than any other church i have ever been to.
If one understands Pauls message, one understands why. Paul wrote nearly an entire chapter on that commandment( rom ch7)
You can preach being in a saved state/ therefore righteous if you obey the TC but you cannot practice what you preach. You open Pandora's box as it were. It's all there in rom ch7 if you are willing to see.
And so the emphasis among the typical sda member was which day you go to church, avoiding the Levitical unclean foods, things that can be done without truly obeying the heart of the moral law. But I guess it gives people comfort, they think as long as they obey certain law they feel they must obey, this negates the problem of not being to obey other parts of the moral law.
And so, in truth, making statements such as:
You must obey the TC, are statements made by people who cannot practice what they preach. They demand of others what they do not demand if themselves. At best they are guilty of not understanding what obeying the law entails, at worse it is hyoicrisy
 
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Dear Bob,

Some comments for your consideration
I did and you will not entertain it. 2Cor 3 says the 10 commandments were temporary commands.
You rejected the scriptures sent to you that contradict your interpretation of God's Law being temporary. So in this you reject God's Word to you. 2 Cor 3 does not say God's 10 commandments were temporary it never has and you have not been able to say anything in relation to the OP on Col 2:16 with all the Scriptures because you cannot. More scripture for you to consider in relation to your claims above.

Ps 119:160
All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal.
righteous Law
from H4941; משׁפּט; mishpâṭ; mish-pawt'; = God's Divine Law or Judgement

Psa 119:172,
My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
righteousness
from H6664; צדק; tsedeq; tseh'-dek = Moral or Legal right

Psa 119:142,
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
everlasting from H5769; עולם עלם; ‛ôlâm ‛ôlâm; o-lawm', o-lawm' = time out of mind (past or future), that is, (practically) eternity always : - always (-s), ancient (time), continuance, eternal, (for, [n-]) ever (-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ without end).

James 2:8-12,
8,
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

These are just a few of the many scriptures that say the opposite to your interpretation that God's Law is temporary. Must be hard for you when you see these.
Sabbath was a ritual commandment, one of the 10 commandments, so it too was temporary, making Col 2:16 read just like it is without your interpretation.
So I share God's Word with you quoting 200+ scriptures saying the opposite of your interpretation above of Col 2:14-17 and you ignore it? Linked here; PART 1; PART 2; PART 3 and I am suppose to believe you over the Word of God why? You clearly do not know God's Word. If you do please by all means answer Part 1-3 in this OP that disagree with your statement above.

Who should we obey?

Act 5:29,

We ought to obey God rather than men.

Rom 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.
You tell us it is so wrong to worship Jesus on Sunday.
No friend, I do not say it is wrong to keep Sunday as a Holy day over the commandments of God this is not true. Jesus says it not me;
Mar 7:5-13,
5,
Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? 6, He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8, For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9, And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10, For Moses said, Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curses father or mother, let him die the death: 11, But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; he shall be free. 12, And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13, Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Here you can read about it in other places as well.

Mat 15:6-9,
6,
Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Sunday Worship is a man made teaching and tradition over the Word of God breaking God's 4th commandment. If there is no commandment or scripture in God's Word that tells us to keep Sunday Worship as a Holy day in place of God's 7th Day Sabbath why should we do it? Should we obey the Word of God or man? (see Acts 5:29 for the answer)
There is no command to keep Sabbath, where there is no command there is no sin. Isn't that the rule?
It is not biblical to separate the Old Testament from the New Testament and say the Old Testament is no longer relevant. Why? Because everything in the New Testament comes from the Old Testament Scriptures. The 7th Day Sabbath as well as all the other commandments are all through the Old and New Testament writing and there is no commandment in ALL of God's Word that says that the 7th Day Sabbath is abolished and we are now required to keep Sunday Worship as a Holy day!

2 Tim3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Mat 4:4,
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

James 2:8-12,
8,
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

You Reject God's Word in order you keep your traditions. This is between you and God. I do not judge you.
What law? The laws given to Adam, Noah, Abraham, or the 613 laws given only to Israel? Since there is no "10" in transgression of God's Law then you cannot tell us transgression of the 10 commandments.
Sin is the same as it has always been disobedience to God's Word breaking His 10 commandments. 1 John 3:4 is referring to breaking God's Law (10 commandments) which is the definition of Sin the opposite of righteousness and referred to in the same chapter in verse 12 talking about the Murder Able by Cain (Ex 20:13)

How does God's Word define sin?

1 John 3:4
Sin = transgression of God's Law (10 commandments) context murder v 12.

1. Exo 20:3, Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

EXAMPLE OF SIN;

Judges 10:10, And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, saying, We have sinned against thee, both because we have forsaken our God, and also served Baalim.

2. Exo 20:4-5, Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

EXAMPLE OF SIN;

Jer 16:18, I will first doubly repay their iniquity and their sin, because they have polluted My land; they have filled My inheritance with the carcasses of their detestable idols and with their abominations.

3. Exo 20:7,Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

EXAMPLE OF SIN; (Professing God's name and not following him)
Mat 15:3-9, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

4. Exo 20:8-11, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

EXAMPLE OF SIN;
Ex 35:2, Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. The wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23)

5. Exo 20:12, Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God gives thee.

EXAMPLE COMMANDMENT;

Eph 6:1-3, "Honor your father and mother." This is the first commandment with a promise:

6. Exo 20:13, Thou shalt not kill.

EXAMPLE OF SIN;

2Sam 12:9;13, Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon; David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die

7. Exo 20:14, Thou shalt not commit adultery.

EXAMPLE OF SIN;
Lev 20:10, If there is a man who commits adultery with another man's wife, one who commits adultery with his friend's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. The wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23)

8 Exo 20:15,
Thou shalt not steal.
9. Exo 20:16, Thou shalt not bear false witness (lie) against thy neighbour.

EXAMPLE OF SIN;

Lev 6:2-4, If a soul sin, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbor in that which was delivered him to keep, or in fellowship, or in a thing taken away by violence, or hath deceived his neighbor; Or have found that which was lost, and lies concerning it, and swears falsely; in any of all these that a man does, sinning therein: Then it shall be, because he hath sinned, and is guilty, that he shall restore that which he took violently away, or the thing which he hath deceitfully gotten, or that which was delivered him to keep, or the lost thing which he found

10. Exo 20:17, Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

EXAMPLE OF SIN;
Isa 57:17,
For the iniquity (SIN) of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart. Eph 5:5, For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

1 John 3:4 "SIN is the transgression of God's Law"
Ezekiel 18:4 "the soul that sins, it shall die."
Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death;"
Romans 8:13 "For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die:"

James 2:8-12,
8,
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
That statement reeks of salvation by works of the Law.
Friend receiving God's Word is not salvation by Works because we receive it by Faith.
You might as well tell me because I believe in Jesus and love others as Jesus loves us I am in danger of the judgement? John tells me something very different. He tells me in verse 19 of 1jn3 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence:.......believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.
Seems like you forgot the context of 1 John 3:19 lets look at it;

1 John 3:3-10,

3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure. 4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

That one is not working to well for you.
I do not see any command there that tells me I face the judgement if I worship on Sunday and do not keep Sabbath. By denying Paul's words to us that the 10 cs were temporary and telling us something different than what John is telling us, well, I am glad not to be the judge.
Here let me show you again;

James 2:8-12,
8,
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Sunday Worship is a man made teaching and tradition of man over the Word of God. There is no scripture in God's Word that tells us to keep it over God's 7th Day Sabbath. If you want to keep it over God's Word, this is between you and God. I do not judge you. The Word will Judge us in the last days.

In Christ Always!
 
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Sin is the transgression of the law.
Therefore if you observe the law you do not commit sin.
If you fail to observe the law you do commit sin:

Therefore no one will be declared righteous/ justified/ have rightstanding before God by observing the law/ not committing sin, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

And Paul goes on and on repeating it!!!!!

The op stresses in this thread. You can only be saved/therefore justified/ righteous in God's sight if you obey the TC.
I'm afraid it's a case of quoting the partial letter without understanding the spiritual message the letter contains.
 
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The op stresses in this thread. You can only be saved/therefore justified/ righteous in God's sight if you obey the TC. I'm afraid it's a case of quoting the letter without understanding the spiritual message the letter contains.

Exo 20:16, Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Lying is also a sin.

In Christ Always!
 
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Exo 20:16, Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Lying is also a sin.

In Christ Always!
You have repeatedly stated a person can only be saved if they obey the TC. For if they do not obey them it proves they do not love Jesus therefore they cannot be saved.
And from all your posts, it is clear you believe a person must obey the TC to be in a saved state. If you are in a saved state you are justified/ righteous in Gods sight. If you are in an unsaved state you are not justified/ righteous before God.
So to you, salvation hinges on obeying the TC, as it does every sda I have personally known
 
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Exo 20:16, Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Lying is also a sin.

In Christ Always!
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You do stress to people if they have any impure thoughts they are breaking the TC and therefore prove they don't love Jesus so they cannot be in a saved state don't you? Thou shalt not covet is equally important to eight of the others isn't it?
As love they neighbour as thyself supercedes nine of the TC. And Jesus told us what loving others entails. You do tell people if they don't genuinely love their enemies, those who may slander, malign, hate or persecute them, they cannot be in a saved state for they are breaking the second most important commandment and therefore proving they don't love Jesus.
It's no good glibly quoting: you must obey the TC. You need to spell out to people what your doctrine truly means, otherwise they may not fully understand, they may then commit sin and remain in an unsaved state according to your beliefs
 
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You have repeatedly stated a person can only be saved if they obey the TC. For if they do not obey them it proves they do not live Jesus therefore they cannot be saved. And from all your posts, it is clear you believe a person must obey the TC to be in a saved state. If you are in a saved state you are justified/ righteous in aGodsvsight. If you are in an unsaved state you are not jystified/ righteous before God. So to you, salvation hinges on obeying the TC, as it does every sda I have personally known

Exo 20:16,
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Lying is also a sin.

I have never said we are saved by the works of the Law or by keeping God's Commandments only you have said this. I have only ever posted that we are saved by Faith in God's Word alone and it is Christ that works in us to will and to do of His own good pleasure (Eph 2:8; Phil 2:13) so that we can be obedient to God's Law because of LOVE (Rom 13:9-10) as we walk in the Spirit (Rom 8:1). This is the New Covenant (Eze 36:26-27; Heb 8:10-12). I follow Jesus because I love him. Do you love Jesus Stuart?

Twisting what I say when I am not saying what you are inferring is also a lie.

SIN is the transgression of God's Law and the Wages of Sin is Death.

In Christ Always!
 
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Exo 20:16, Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Lying is also a sin.

I have never said we are saved by the works of the Law or by keeping God's Commandments only you have said this. I have only ever posted that we are saved by Faith in God's Word alone and it is Christ that works in us to will and to do of His own good pleasure (Eph 2:8; Phil 2:13) so that we can be obedient to God's Law because of LOVE (Rom 13:9-10) as we walk in the Spirit (Rom 8:1). This is the New Covenant (Eze 36:26-27; Heb 8:10-12). I follow Jesus because I love him. Do you love Jesus Stuart?

Twisting what I say when I am not saying what you are inferring is also a lie.

In Christ Always!
I am not twisting what you say at all. I acknowledge you believe initial salvation is by grace through faith. However to remain in a saved state, according to your belief hinges on obeying the TC. Therefore, once saved, you only remain righteous/ justified before God if you obey the TC
 
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Exo 20:16, Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Lying is also a sin.

I have never said we are saved by the works of the Law or by keeping God's Commandments only you have said this. I have only ever posted that we are saved by Faith in God's Word alone and it is Christ that works in us to will and to do of His own good pleasure (Eph 2:8; Phil 2:13) so that we can be obedient to God's Law because of LOVE (Rom 13:9-10) as we walk in the Spirit (Rom 8:1). This is the New Covenant (Eze 36:26-27; Heb 8:10-12). I follow Jesus because I love him. Do you love Jesus Stuart?

Twisting what I say when I am not saying what you are inferring is also a lie.

SIN is the transgression of God's Law and the Wages of Sin is Death.

In Christ Always!
Your belief is not compatible with the following:

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not the old way of the written code/ law
Rom7:6
 
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