Where is everybody if Universe really so big?

dad said:

What Scripture says hell is here now?

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Mark 9:43
Psalms 9:17
Proverbs 15:24
2 Peter 2:4 (this is the big one, as this is where God explains that He will send people that have sinned into hell, and of course only if they don't get saved through Jesus)
Matthew 10:28
Revelation 20:13-14

dad said:

So the little green men might be out there, we just need more money to get better listeners?

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Or perhaps it does not matter how much money that we put into listening. Our radio signals are going down as our technology improves. Why wouldn't the same occur elsewhere. Expecting to see a signal may not be reasonable.

dad said:

So the green guys are out there, we just can't hear them?

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Probably, but there is no way to tell right now. Remember, it took 4.5 billion years for intelligent life to arise on this planet. If that is the norm, hard to tell with only one statistical sample, then the odds of nearby planets having intelligent life is very very low.

Of course that does not mean that we won't find life on planets. There is a big difference between life and intelligent life.

dad said:

Yet a strange silence. Such a busy universe with evolved life all around, you claim..yet a deafening silence. Sorry, I am not buying. Perhaps the idea science has of the universe is very wrong.

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Yeah, I've looked all over my house and yard and not found a single kangaroo, yet "scientists", "biologists" and "random people" claim that there are millions of them in Australia.

NothingIsImpossible said:

Shh, don't bring it up or they freak out because they don't know how to answer other than to say "Odds say there is life out there!". Some even count finding bacteria as life just so they can say "See, bible isn't real theres life!". Despite the fact we are talking about actual life, not just bacteria, but sentient beings. Even an animal. Which ironically leads to the question of if a one celled organism is life to them then what is it called when a sperm and egg combine together? Sort of life?

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So why wouldn't we count all of bacteria, sperm, egg and intelligence as life?

The evidence indicates that for the vast majority of the Earth's history there was only simple little squidgy things and single celled life in the oceans. This makes it a pretty reasonable assumption that the progression to more complicated life on land and with hard parts are less common.

Even after the development of more complicated life there has only been a single technological species in all the Earth's history, so it's possible that it almost never happens.

dad said:

Yet a strange silence. Such a busy universe with evolved life all around, you claim..yet a deafening silence. Sorry, I am not buying. Perhaps the idea science has of the universe is very wrong.

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No, not strange. Once again you either have not paid attention or the explanation went right over your head.

dad said:

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The universe is incomprehensibly vast, with billions of other planets circling billions of other stars. The potential for intelligent life to exist somewhere out there should be enormous.


So, where is everybody?"

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Probably somewhere out there in this incomprehensibly vast universe.

Subduction Zone said:

In short we can still detect a radio signal of 23 watts from a distance of 125 AU. To replicate a signal of that strength we would need a source of 110 million watts to be as strong at Alpha Centauri, the closest of stars.

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That begs the question of why we are wasting money on the SETI project. Earthlings are unlikely to be the only ones who lack transmitters powerful enough to reach far distant solar systems.

dad said:

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The universe is incomprehensibly vast, with billions of other planets circling billions of other stars. The potential for intelligent life to exist somewhere out there should be enormous.

So, where is everybody?"

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170811185455.htm

Ha. M.I.A.

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The article gives the implicit answer. Soon after civilisations reach a level of technology sophistication, which renders them capable of wiping themselves out, they actually do so. (Especially if they are dumb enough to let somebody like Trump get his finger on the nuclear trigger.)

The belief that there is life out there depends on the belief that evolution is true.
The one follows on the other and as scientists have no idea how life started, one way of avoiding that has been to push it into distant space saying life started out there and arrived here, by means that are not known.

Whether there is or is not life out there is an interesting discussion and one tat diverts resources from more serious science.

Tolworth John said:

The belief that there is life out there depends on the belief that evolution is true.

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Wait what?

Tolworth John said:

The belief that there is life out there depends on the belief that evolution is true.
The one follows on the other and as scientists have no idea how life started, one way of avoiding that has been to push it into distant space saying life started out there and arrived here, by means that are not known.

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Nonsense. Life could exist elsewhere in the universe, irrespective of whether or not evolution is true.

dad said:

When He sends then there I guess is the issue. Eventually, yes. As for the angels reserved to judgment, yes. There are angels down there as we speak waiting. The lake of fire was prepared for the devil and his angels. But most think of hell as some place people go.

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Let me ask you this question then. Where do you think everyone that is going to hell is now? In judgement, some sort of limbo?

dad said:

Talking about stars, as if science knew what they are really like seems to show faith in their ideas.

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To me, 'faith' means things like 'confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.'

Of course, we simply see the stars. Can we figure how precisely how far away some are? There is a way for nearer stars, using geometry!

Just geometry only. Clear, and precise --

Hold a pencil 6 or 10 inches in front of your face and see how the pencil lines up visually against farther away objects like a painting on a wall. Without letting the pencil move, move your head some back and forth to the left and right.

You'll see that pencil appear to move relative to the farther away objects.

That's "Parallax".

With the entire orbit of Earth as our very long baseline, and the precision of the Hubble space telescope, we can do parallax out to 10,000 light years on nearby stars, many thousands.

So, we are not guessing when we then figure out how bright these nearby stars are quite precisely, because we know the distance to these nearby stars quite precisely.

It's not guessing nor faith. Just observation.

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Christians can have hope and assurance -- by basing their faith only on the foundation Christ said is safe: His words put into practice: Matthew chapter 7, verses 24-27. He told us that on this is "rock" and thus everything else, even bible interpretations about other stuff, is "sand" when used as a foundation for faith.