Revelation interpretation, and my thoughts

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I went to a website recently that went through the book of Revelation verse by verse with interpretations. According to it, the devil exists within post-Jesus Christianity, and the Mark is something many people are already doing. For example, if that website is correct, my own brother and his wife have the Mark.

I'm not going to get too specific because that website is a bit Earth-shattering, and some things on it not everyone is ready for, but I will say this...

While I cannot confirm if its statements on the Mark are true, I have experienced first-hand some very dark.... "powers" I will call them... among the more secret corners of Christianity. What I'm saying is that a person can think they are Christian, and still be misled into practicing the occult or the like.

For this reason, I no longer follow after people, not even people who have been Christian longer, for fear of being led into something sinister. I relax, enjoy life, and accept that even if I strive to know the Bible, I will never know every meaning or correct interpretation or the true nature of God.
 
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Revelation is written with a lot of metaphors. I would hope that people, including myself, emphasize that what we say is our interpretation of the metaphor and others may have different interpretations.

John Bunyan was a great writer in metaphors/parables and he explains the use of them in his "The Barren Fig Tree" work (http://www.chapellib.../bun-barren.pdf):

6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down. - Luke 13:6-9

In parables there are two things to be taken notice of, and to be inquired into of them that read.

First, The metaphors made use of.
Second, The doctrine or mysteries couched under such metaphors.

The metaphors in this parable are,
1. A certain man;
2. A vineyard;
3. A fig-tree, barren or fruitless;
4. A dresser;
5. Three years;
6. Digging and dunging, &c.

The doctrine, or mystery, couched under these words is to show us what is like to become of a fruitless or formal professor. For,

1. By the man in the parable is meant God the Father (Luke 15:11).
2. By the vineyard, his church (Isa 5:7).
3. By the fig-tree, a professor.
4. By the dresser, the Lord Jesus.
5. By the fig-tree’s barrenness, the professor’s fruitlessness.
6. By the three years, the patience of God that for a time he extendeth to barren professors.
7. This calling to the dresser of the vineyard to cut it down, is to show the outcries of justice against fruitless professors.
8. The dresser’s interceding is to show how the Lord Jesus steps in, and takes hold of the head of his Father’s axe, to stop, or at least to defer, the present execution of a barren fig-tree.
9. The dresser’s desire to try to make the fig-tree fruitful, is to show you how unwilling he is that even a barren fig-tree should yet be barren, and perish.
10. His digging about it, and dunging of it, is to show his willingness to apply gospel helps to this barren professor, if haply he may be fruitful.
11. The supposition that the fig-tree may yet continue fruitless, is to show, that when Christ Jesus hath done all, there are some professors will abide barren and fruitless.
12. The determination upon this supposition, at last to cut it down, is a certain prediction of such professor’s unavoidable and eternal damnation.

But to take this parable into pieces, and to discourse more particularly, though with all brevity, upon all the parts thereof. ‘A certain MAN had a fig-tree planted in his vineyard.’ The MAN, I told you, is to present us with God the Father; by which similitude he is often set out in the New Testament. Observe then, that it is no new thing, if you find in God’s church barren fig-trees, fruitless professors; even as here you see is a tree, a fruitless tree, a fruitless fig-tree in the vineyard.

Fruit is not so easily brought forth as a profession is got into; it is easy for a man to clothe himself with a fair show in the flesh, to word it, and say, Be thou warmed and filled with the best. It is no hard thing to do these with other things; but to be fruitful, to bring forth fruit to God, this doth not every tree, no not every fig-tree that stands in the vineyard of God. Those words also, ‘Every branch in me that beareth not fruit, he taketh away,’ assert the same thing (John 15:2). There are branches in Christ, in Christ’s body mystical, which is his church, his vineyard, that bear not fruit, wherefore the hand of God is to take them away: I looked for grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes, that is, no fruit at all that was acceptable with God (Isa 5:4). Again, ‘Israel is an empty vine, he bringeth forth fruit unto himself,’ none to God; he is without fruit to God (Hosea 10:1). All these, with many more, show us the truth of the observation, and that God’s church may be cumbered with fruitless fig-trees, with barren professors.
 
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I went to a website recently that went through the book of Revelation verse by verse with interpretations. According to it, the devil exists within post-Jesus Christianity, and the Mark is something many people are already doing. For example, if that website is correct, my own brother and his wife have the Mark.

Ok what is the name of this site and what is it they consider to be the mark of the beast?
 
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Ok what is the name of this site and what is it they consider to be the mark of the beast?

So I have heard before the view that the Roman Empire (or whatever way you want to go with Rome) is the first beast of Revelation. But generally in such views, it's murky what the second beast is which gives people the Mark. Many think it to be the United States.

On this site however, it tries to show that the second beast is Christianized paganism.

The Mark, then, is accepting such paganism.

In such a view, of paganism mixed with Christianity, Christianity itself can become rather dangerous, if not careful.

What I am describing is very basic as to what was actually said, but I'll have to search through my History to find the link.
 
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I went to a website recently that went through the book of Revelation verse by verse with interpretations. ..................
There are simply multitudes of studies on the Book of Revelation you can find online and in bookstores.
Try and find 1 or 2 studies that you feel your comfortable with and let the Holy Spirit guide you.[I listed a favorite of mine below]
God bless..................

Acts 8:
29 The Spirit said to Philip, “Go over to that chariot and stay by it.” 30 So Philip ran up and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked. 31 “How can I,” he said, “unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

Kingdom Bible Studies Table of Contents

Kindgdom Bible Studies Revelation Series Part 1

One misconception shared by some is that the Revelation has nothing of importance to say to us. It’s considered to be merely a bizarre piece of first-century writing with no relevance for today. Another wrong idea is that the Revelation is a code book describing a specific outline of history written in advance. Countless interpreters have tried to "decode" the book from a historical perspective to find all the major world events of the past 1900 years. Others interpret it more literally as a handbook for predicting the cataclysmic events that will bring the final wrath of God and the end of the world. The claims of Christian groups from the early church to the present — that the Revelation pinpoints the events, personalities, and time periods of "the end" — have all failed.
This should be a caution to believers for using the book of Revelation as a predictive handbook. Other people’s interpretation of the book of Revelation is based on the "Pan Theory" — it’s all going to pan out in the end! Beloved brethren, the fact is, it’s not panning out the way the end-time prognosticators are projecting!............

Today, many Christians are confused. They are tossed too and fro with every new book that hits the market or every new fad end-time scheme introduced by some celebrity preacher. The popularity of the Revelation today is due to man’s insatiable curiosity regarding the future, the interest in the unknown tomorrow, which characterizes the restless human soul. To claim that in the pages of the Revelation we can see the signs of the present times and thus predict the tomorrows; to pull back the veil and claim to lay bare the future is to attract an audience, for that is the nature of man — fascination with the future!
And that is the thrust of the scores of books always appearing, almost all of them claiming to be able to unravel and accurately predict the great world events about to unfold. Man reveres the past, but he is intoxicated by the heady wine of prophecy. The very claim, then, of these many books — ....................
Ecclesiates 12:12 And further, from these, my son, be warned; the making of many books hath no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
Most of the book is rooted in the symbology of the Old Testament. You will find there the temple, the sacrifices, the worshippers, the ark of the covenant, the candlestick, the city Jerusalem, mount Zion, the prophets, the priesthood, the king and the throne, the archangel, the serpent, trumpets, feasts, and many more. Now by the spirit of wisdom and revelation all these things begin to relate to your experienc
e, your life,
and your walk in God. You cross the thresholds of spiritual reality where all that was natural and external to Israel in the Old Testament now becomes spiritual and internal as the revelation of Jesus Christ in the elect. The symbols of the Revelation appear to be highly complicated, and they are to the carnal mind! How crude and presumptuous is the darkened carnal mind that would lift its voice in pretentious wisdom to understand the deep mysteries of God!................

Revelation is written with a lot of metaphors. I would hope that people, including myself, emphasize that what we say is our interpretation of the metaphor and others may have different interpretations...................
Good post! I think most Christians look at Revelations thru "carnal" eyes instead of "spiritual" eyes. I pray that the Jews will eventually read Revelation and believe it is inspired by Yahweh, as I would love to hear their interpretation of that book. [After all, 12 of their tribes are mentioned in it]. Thoughts?

THE SYMBOLISM IN BOOK OF REVELATION

REVELATION IS FILLED WITH OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES

One man studied and found 348 allusions (not illusions, Light) in Revelation from the Old Testament. You see the similarity in wording and the context mirrored in Revelation and the particular Old Testament story, and immediately can recognize the reference source! That’s, IF you know the bible well enough to even notice that.

95 of the 348 plain references used in Revelation as taken from the Old Testament are repeated in Revelation. That makes about 250 Old Testament passages are cited. How many chapters are in Revelation? 22. That makes about TEN OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES FOR EVERY CHAPTER!

One man saw 235 references in Revelation from the writings of the Prophets.
57 from the Pentateuch.
56 from historical and poetic books of the Bible.
So anyone can see that Revelation is founded upon the Old Testament more than any other New Testament book! God is not going to give visions to His people using unknown references and symbols. The whole point is REVELATION! It is REVEALING!

FUTURISM MAKES REVELATION IRRELEVANT FOR THE FIRST 2,000 YEARS OF THE CHURCH AGE

Futurism contends that the church could never know what Revelation’s mark of the beast really was until thousands of years after it was written, when we now have computer technology. Think about it! What relevance did the book have to the early church to whom it was first given? NONE, if futurism is right! Not only that, but NOTHING in Revelation was of any value to the early church, because none of those events listed would ever take place in their lifetimes, nor for the lifetimes of the next 2000 years of believers.......................

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So I have heard before the view that the Roman Empire (or whatever way you want to go with Rome) is the first beast of Revelation. But generally in such views, it's murky what the second beast is which gives people the Mark. Many think it to be the United States.

On this site however, it tries to show that the second beast is Christianized paganism.

The Mark, then, is accepting such paganism.

In such a view, of paganism mixed with Christianity, Christianity itself can become rather dangerous, if not careful.

What I am describing is very basic as to what was actually said, but I'll have to search through my History to find the link.
I hope you find it, if you could remember the name or you had a direct quote it would help. I've seen America described as the beast, New York is supposedly Babylon and the mark is a micro-chip. I won't be able to tell you much until I know what they are posting.
 
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I hope you find it, if you could remember the name or you had a direct quote it would help. I've seen America described as the beast, New York is supposedly Babylon and the mark is a micro-chip. I won't be able to tell you much until I know what they are posting.

Here is the link: Who or What Is the Beast of Revelation?

I apologize if my own account of what it said isn't 1000% accurate. The thoughts have been going in my mind so long, I can't even remember some of the fine details.
 
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Here is the link: Who or What Is the Beast of Revelation?

I apologize if my own account of what it said isn't 1000% accurate. The thoughts have been going in my mind so long, I can't even remember some of the fine details.
Well this is what they had on the home page for the mark of the beast:

Like the value of Roman numerals, the Greeks assigned values to letters. In the Greek, L counts for 30, A is 1, T is 300, E is 5, I is 10, N is 50, O is 70, S is 200—totaling precisely 666! It is not then strange, or incorrect, to conclude that every citizen, king and the kingdom itself, adds up to or “counts” to 666.

Now consider Benito Mussolini. He called himself “Il Duce,” which means the leader or the chief. Everywhere he went, people proclaimed, “Viva Il Duce,” meaning long live the chief. The Italians abbreviated this on signs throughout Italy as “vv il duce.” (Who or What Is the Beast of Revelation? RCG)
I'm still wondering how your wife and brother have somehow received the mark of the beast.

Once you read through it, I'll tell you MY interpretation of the article, as it leaves some things to thought.

I read it and I've seen this sort of thing countless times. This is a pretty straightforward futuristic reading of Revelations as predictive prophecy.
 
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My brother and his wife have gotten far away from Christianity in the name of a church and hanging out with people in it. One of his wife's family recently joined a cultish group and we worry my brother will do the same because he does everything his wife's family does.

If you have any more questions, ask away.
 
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My brother and his wife have gotten far away from Christianity in the name of a church and hanging out with people in it. One of his wife's family recently joined a cultish group and we worry my brother will do the same because he does everything his wife's family does.

If you have any more questions, ask away.
Well, first of all it sounds like they are involved with what be a questionable group. That's nothing close to the mark of the beast. Along with taking the mark you have to worship the beast and these people become soulless children of Satan on a bloody infamous rampage. You might have some problems with your brother and wife associating with a questionable group but unless they come home with funny tattoos and a microchip I don't think you have much to worry about.

You can't take the mark of the beast by accident, you have to make a willful and permanent decision.

So what is it about this group that has you so worried?
 
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I'd like to correct what I said by saying, "The article inspired me to interpret the second beast as a form of false Christianity. This can be seen as "fire from heaven in the sight of men."

I believe that the Mark is putting church, well "false churches", ahead of God.

There is way more I could say, but I've already said enough to get in trouble. Nor do I wish to explain in public what I meant by "false churches."

Many things have me worried about this group. I care not to get into them.
 
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Guys, I feel I have become partial to this subject for two reasons:

1. Seeing myself make some bad choices

2. Seeing my brother make some bad choices

I'm sorry. I'm basically doing a very bad thing by making personal experiences interpret prophecy.
 
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