Women Denied Equal Opportunity - Feminists Silent.

jimmyjimmy · Aug 12, 2017

If you think far too few women are CEOs, at only 4.5%, how do you feel about only 1% of ditch diggers being women?! As shocking as that is, feminists remain silent on the matter.

Seems they want to pick and choose their, "equality".

Citizen of the Kingdom · Aug 12, 2017

jimmyjimmy said:
If you think far too few women are CEOs, at only 4.5%, only 1% of ditch diggers are women. As shocking as that is, feminists remain silent on the matter.

They used to be kept out of the trenches too...

Tallguy88 · Aug 12, 2017

~Cassia~ said:
They used to be kept out of the trenches too...

They should still be. Women shouldn't be in front-line combat.

Symph · Aug 12, 2017

jimmyjimmy said:
If you think far too few women are CEOs, at only 4.5%, only 1% of ditch diggers are women. As shocking as that is, feminists remain silent on the matter.

I'm offended that more women won't go into construction, us men need to get cat called too you know....

Mountain_Girl406 · Aug 12, 2017

What makes you think they stay silent? I got laid off from a job years ago, it was my first professional job and my first professional paychecks, but the company lost a contract and well, last in first out.
I had nothing saved and needed to work, so I went into the feed store and applied to work as a person who loaded hay trucks. I was told it was no job for a woman, but I guess they were afraid I would, being a feminist, not be satisfied with that answer. I got the job, worked there for a few years and more then held my own....even goofing off with the other truck loaders in competition to see who could carry the most feed sacks on one shoulder and walk...i managed 9 bags, good for third place.
When I left, they hired two people to replace me.

jimmyjimmy · Aug 13, 2017

Tallguy88 said:
They should still be. Women shouldn't be in front-line combat.

That's not egalitarian.

jimmyjimmy · Aug 13, 2017

How many women are marching on Washington because they aren't, "represented" in these fields?

The 10 Deadliest Jobs:

1. Logging workers

2. Fishers and related fishing workers

3. Aircraft pilot and flight engineers

4. Roofers

5. Structural iron and steel workers

6. Refuse and recyclable material collectors

7. Electrical power-line installers and repairers

8. Drivers/sales workers and truck drivers

9. Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers

10. Construction laborers

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelynsmith/2013/08/22/americas-10-deadliest-jobs-2/#3f854ccb424b

jimmyjimmy · Aug 13, 2017

Angel Wings 1288 · Aug 13, 2017

jimmyjimmy said:
If you think far too few women are CEOs, at only 4.5%, only 1% of ditch diggers are women. As shocking as that is, feminists remain silent on the matter.

Seems they want to pick and choose their, "equality".

Good point. There is also the fact that feminists in the US remain oddly silent about the treatment of women in the Middle East, particularly in nations like Saudi Arabia where women cannot drive. All women there are also under house arrest because they can’t leave their residence without a male relative.

I’m sure there are some feminists who criticize the horrific treatment of women in Muslim fundamentalist nations, but they seem to be few and far between.

What is also odd is how a lot of SJWs, most of whom identify as feminists, seem to be supportive of Islam. I remember seeing a video on YouTube (I can’t find the link right now, but I'll look again later) where liberals kids were holding a protest at a college campus. One of them, who is white, wore antifa attire, and not a Muslim, had a speakerphone and was chanting “Allah akbar” in a fake Middle Eastern accent, which is perhaps the most pathetic thing I’ve ever seen. I guess liberals think Muslims are another “oppressed” group like black lives matter, feminists, etc., so they identify with them despite the fact that Islam is a reactionary religion that is very anti-liberal in principle.

Gender equality is a good thing, but feminism is not.

Paidiske · Aug 13, 2017

I would have thought the appropriate response to recognising that some jobs are dangerous to the point of having a high death rate, would not be to advocate that more people of any particular group take up those roles, but to advocate for higher safety in those roles. (Which might have the side effect of more people being willing to do them, but that isn't the point; why should anyone do a job where his/her life is literally at risk?)

Personally, getting more women into heavily physical or dangerous jobs - or indeed boardrooms - comes for me lower on the priority list than dealing with sexual exploitation (sex trafficking, sex slavery, sex tourism, that sort of thing), basic education and healthcare. Dealing with those foundational things for the world's poorest and most disadvantaged women would literally change the world.

As to the combat thing, I'm kind of anti-military altogether, but if you're going to let men do it, I don't see any reason to refuse to let women do it.

jimmyjimmy · Aug 13, 2017

Men, as God as designed, lay down their lives for women.

We all know the rule at sea when it comes to lifeboats. . .

The complementarian division of labor is: women reproduce, and men produce. Men take dangerous jobs out of love and service our wives and children. Men are more concerned about making money because of wives and children. There is no conspiracy here. It's by God's design that men and women have different roles.

On average, men die 6 years earlier than women, and that is at least partly due to their role in protecting women.

Silmarien · Aug 13, 2017

Angel Wings 1288 said:
Good point. There is also the fact that feminists in the US remain oddly silent about the treatment of women in the Middle East, particularly in nations like Saudi Arabia where women cannot drive. All women there are also under house arrest because they can’t leave their residence without a male relative.

I’m sure there are some feminists who criticize the horrific treatment of women in Muslim fundamentalist nations, but they seem to be few and far between.

What is also odd is how a lot of SJWs, most of whom identify as feminists, seem to be supportive of Islam. I remember seeing a video on YouTube (I can’t find the link right now, but I'll look again later) where liberals kids were holding a protest at a college campus. One of them, who is white, wore antifa attire, and not a Muslim, had a speakerphone and was chanting “Allah akbar” in a fake Middle Eastern accent, which is perhaps the most pathetic thing I’ve ever seen. I guess liberals think Muslims are another “oppressed” group like black lives matter, feminists, etc., so they identify with them despite the fact that Islam is a reactionary religion that is very anti-liberal in principle.

Gender equality is a good thing, but feminism is not.

Feminism is not monolithic. There is actually a lot of criticism leveled at "white feminism" by women of color who feel that the movement only addresses the problems of white, middle class women.

I really don't think it's that uncommon amongst feminists to criticize the treatment of women in Islamic countries. The problem is that modern liberalism as a whole tosses women under the bus when the choice comes down to Islam or feminism--this tendency is also criticized by feminists, though admittedly not as much as I'd like.

I would take anything that comes out of the SJW environment with a grain of salt. They are generally speaking very young and very loud and not necessarily representative of progressivism more broadly.

pat34lee · Aug 14, 2017

Tallguy88 said:
They should still be. Women shouldn't be in front-line combat.

Or integrated into any men's units, on land or on ships.
The last 45 years since the ERA and full integration in the
military have shown that it doesn't work. The standards
must be lowered in order for them to keep up, which puts
everyone in more danger due to unqualified females.

Report: 85 percent of female Marine recruits failing combat job tests
New concerns that lower fitness standards fuel disrespect for women
Putting Women in Combat Is an Even Worse Idea Than You’d Think

Pappy&Me · Aug 14, 2017

Always got to be something to mess stuff up. I was looking forward to a nice life like most women still had when I was growing up in the 60s. Wives and mothers had it made on the most part, sitting home doing housework, shopping going to church and gossiping mostly about men. And then dressing up to go out on weekends. Well the fems killed it for me, first the free sex in streets, then came the work part. Put me and the rest of us to work. Forget the housewife stuff now the fems have peeved off all the male judges and lawyers so now we have to leave the babies and hit the lines beside the men. Divorce became rampent and kids were left with strangers and parents throwed out like trash to die in old folks homes. And I'm suppose to lie these wicked women? Well my mother died in my front room and the fems thought I was nuts. I rented hospital bed, oxigen and took her last pulse. So glad I had the opportunity to do so. Feel bad for women today they have been forced to obey society laws. Bless theri hearts.

Pappy&Me · Aug 14, 2017

Silmarien said:
Feminism is not monolithic. There is actually a lot of criticism leveled at "white feminism" by women of color who feel that the movement only addresses the problems of white, middle class women.

I really don't think it's that uncommon amongst feminists to criticize the treatment of women in Islamic countries. The problem is that modern liberalism as a whole tosses women under the bus when the choice comes down to Islam or feminism--this tendency is also criticized by feminists, though admittedly not as much as I'd like.

I would take anything that comes out of the SJW environment with a grain of salt. They are generally speaking very young and very loud and not necessarily representative of progressivism more broadly.

Got to be a happy medium in there somewhere. Don't want to walk around i na tent but also don't want some man hater telling me how to love or care for my husband and family.

Paidiske · Aug 14, 2017

Pappy&Me said:
Always got to be something to mess stuff up. I was looking forward to a nice life like most women still had when I was growing up in the 60s. Wives and mothers had it made on the most part, sitting home doing housework, shopping going to church and gossiping mostly about men. And then dressing up to go out on weekends. Well the fems killed it for me, first the free sex in streets, then came the work part. Put me and the rest of us to work. Forget the housewife stuff now the fems have peeved off all the male judges and lawyers so now we have to leave the babies and hit the lines beside the men. Divorce became rampent and kids were left with strangers and parents throwed out like trash to die in old folks homes. And I'm suppose to lie these wicked women? Well my mother died in my front room and the fems thought I was nuts. I rented hospital bed, oxigen and took her last pulse. So glad I had the opportunity to do so. Feel bad for women today they have been forced to obey society laws. Bless theri hearts.

I don't think anyone wants to dictate how others care for their family.

It's about having the choice. Not everyone wants to stay home, do housework, the rounds of shopping, church and gossip. (For me, that's a fast track to chronic depression). We now have a world where if you want to (and can find a man willing to support you), you can have the stereotypical middle-class 1950s housewife life. But if you want to, you can do something else. And I think having options is a very, very good thing, for which I'm profoundly grateful.

If nothing else, there's a risk in relying on a man; even if he's faithful, he may die. He may become disabled. He may go through times of unemployment due to circumstances beyond his control. While there's nothing wrong with choosing not to work, if you put yourself in a position where you're unable to work if you need to, your family is very very vulnerable. I'm glad that we don't live in a world where, if my husband were in a car accident today, our family may well be homeless tomorrow.

Tallguy88 · Aug 14, 2017

jimmyjimmy said:
That's not egalitarian.

I'm not egalitarian, I'm a realist. Even my feminist mother doesn't believe women should be in combat ratings.

Tallguy88 · Aug 14, 2017

Paidiske said:
I would have thought the appropriate response to recognising that some jobs are dangerous to the point of having a high death rate, would not be to advocate that more people of any particular group take up those roles, but to advocate for higher safety in those roles. (Which might have the side effect of more people being willing to do them, but that isn't the point; why should anyone do a job where his/her life is literally at risk?)

There's tons of safety rules and regulations because of organizations like OSHA. Some jobs are just inherently more dangerous than others, however.

As to the combat thing, I'm kind of anti-military altogether, but if you're going to let men do it, I don't see any reason to refuse to let women do it.

It hinders the unit's combat effectiveness.

Pappy&Me · Aug 14, 2017

Paidiske said:
I don't think anyone wants to dictate how others care for their family.

It's about having the choice. Not everyone wants to stay home, do housework, the rounds of shopping, church and gossip. (For me, that's a fast track to chronic depression). We now have a world where if you want to (and can find a man willing to support you), you can have the stereotypical middle-class 1950s housewife life. But if you want to, you can do something else. And I think having options is a very, very good thing, for which I'm profoundly grateful.

If nothing else, there's a risk in relying on a man; even if he's faithful, he may die. He may become disabled. He may go through times of unemployment due to circumstances beyond his control. While there's nothing wrong with choosing not to work, if you put yourself in a position where you're unable to work if you need to, your family is very very vulnerable. I'm glad that we don't live in a world where, if my husband were in a car accident today, our family may well be homeless tomorrow.

Of course I agree with this. But the world we live in now is not better in many ways and worse in some the way women are treated. Even in the 50s women worked if they wanted to and that was a good thing. But they also could ' choose 'to stay home and be mothers and wives full time. And the family was closer and parents had more respect than they do now. There were few old folk homes and fewer child care centers. Now the only option is to work for most women. Men come home and are expected to help after a hard day at work and women are also tired out so who is there for each other or the kids? I have respect for these women who have to work or are afraid they may have nobody to turn to if tragedy happens.
Use to be a commercial on tv selling cigs " you've come a long way baby ". Well not so much looking back.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Aug 14, 2017

Pappy&Me said:
Of course I agree with this. But the world we live in now is not better in many ways and worse in some the way women are treated. Even in the 50s women worked if they wanted to and that was a good thing. But they also could ' choose 'to stay home and be mothers and wives full time. And the family was closer and parents had more respect than they do now. There were few old folk homes and fewer child care centers. Now the only option is to work for most women. Men come home and are expected to help after a hard day at work and women are also tired out so who is there for each other or the kids? I have respect for these women who have to work or are afraid they may have nobody to turn to if tragedy happens.
Use to be a commercial on tv selling cigs " you've come a long way baby ". Well not so much looking back.

Are you suggesting that one paycheck will suffice for a family. That can hardly be blamed on or representative of what a few women have fought for .. so I think the conversation has veered far from feminism or the quality of work they can do.

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