Did Satan retain his Physical Beauty after sinning?

Angel Wings 1288 said:

If Satan lied to me about his origins, what would be the point in telling me a fictitious story about being born a Hindu priest prior to becoming the Devil?

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A Hindu priest?
He wasn't born a Hindu priest since that would already mean he was born evil and in rebellion against God

What exactly is a Hindu "priest" but a liar suggesting "other gods"

Angel Wings 1288 said:

If Satan lied to me about his origins, what would be the point in telling me a fictitious story about being born a Hindu priest prior to becoming the Devil?

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Causing destruction to what is special to God by making them believe false facts?

unbelievable1 said:

I don't agree with this

Don't listen to Satan telling you stories

He's a liar
And always has been

How can you believe what he says?

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Why does he take different forms to people?

Superhero Sam said:

Why does he take different forms to people?

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I’ve only seen Satan appear in three forms (and I have verification): a blonde-hair, blue-eyed Nordic-looking angel (sometimes in cherub proportions but not always), an Indian, and a shadowy specter. Anyone else who says they have seen him appear in the form of some sort of abomination or monster isn’t telling the truth, or they were hallucinating or dreaming. There isn’t any reason why Satan would want to appear as a disfigured cyclops.

Angel Wings 1288 said:

I’ve only seen Satan appear in three forms (and I have verification): a blonde-hair, blue-eyed Nordic-looking angel (sometimes in cherub proportions but not always), an Indian, and a shadowy specter. Anyone else who says they have seen him appear in the form of some sort of abomination or monster isn’t telling the truth, or they were hallucinating or dreaming. There isn’t any reason why Satan would want to appear as a disfigured cyclops.

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He is a liar and speaks everything that is against the truth

Hold to Philippians 4...keep your eyes on Christ and do not entertain the voice of lying spirits

Angel Wings 1288 said:

If Satan lied to me about his origins, what would be the point in telling me a fictitious story about being born a Hindu priest prior to becoming the Devil?

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Because he doesn't want to say the truth--He was beautiful beyond description, he was arrayed in magnificent jewels, he held a very high position in the kingdom of God, he had as truly beautiful, magnificent voice---- he became vain, thought only of himself, he took his eyes of God and put them on himself to the point he forgot he was a created creature and wanted to be God and became jealous and dissatisfied with his lofty position and wanted more than he had any right to. So he lied and led others astray and turned himself into that loathsome creature known as Satan --because he doesn't want to admit the truth--
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze_28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

and because he knows this is what waits for him:

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

He was no human, no Hindu priest
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

mmksparbud said:

Because he doesn't want to say the truth--He was beautiful beyond description, he was arrayed in magnificent jewels, he held a very high position in the kingdom of God, he had as truly beautiful, magnificent voice---- he became vain, thought only of himself, he took his eyes of God and put them on himself to the point he forgot he was a created creature and wanted to be God and became jealous and dissatisfied with his lofty position and wanted more than he had any right to. So he lied and led others astray and turned himself into that loathsome creature known as Satan --because he doesn't want to admit the truth--
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze_28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

and because he knows this is what waits for him:

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

He was no human, no Hindu priest
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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He was the covering angel

But he didn't want to cover

mmksparbud said:

Because he doesn't want to say the truth--He was beautiful beyond description, he was arrayed in magnificent jewels, he held a very high position in the kingdom of God, he had as truly beautiful, magnificent voice---- he became vain, thought only of himself, he took his eyes of God and put them on himself to the point he forgot he was a created creature and wanted to be God and became jealous and dissatisfied with his lofty position and wanted more than he had any right to. So he lied and led others astray and turned himself into that loathsome creature known as Satan --because he doesn't want to admit the truth--
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze_28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

and because he knows this is what waits for him:

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

He was no human, no Hindu priest
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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So do you think masks can invite spirits into a person's house?

I speculated, if demons are merely fallen angels and look like them, what makes certain items dangerous?

Superhero Sam said:

So do you think masks can invite spirits into a person's house?

I speculated, if demons are merely fallen angels and look like them, what makes certain items dangerous?

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Having a cross and 6 bibles in the house isn't the same as inviting God into your heart. People equate black cats with Satanism--the black cat is a sign of good luck in China. Likewise with a dragon. On the other hand, I wouldn't want anything around me that reminds me of Satan---Why would I?

mmksparbud said:

Because he doesn't want to say the truth--He was beautiful beyond description, he was arrayed in magnificent jewels, he held a very high position in the kingdom of God, he had as truly beautiful, magnificent voice---- he became vain, thought only of himself, he took his eyes of God and put them on himself to the point he forgot he was a created creature and wanted to be God and became jealous and dissatisfied with his lofty position and wanted more than he had any right to. So he lied and led others astray and turned himself into that loathsome creature known as Satan --because he doesn't want to admit the truth--
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze_28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

and because he knows this is what waits for him:

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

He was no human, no Hindu priest
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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How does appearing in different ways deceive people?

Superhero Sam said:

So do you think masks can invite spirits into a person's house?

I speculated, if demons are merely fallen angels and look like them, what makes certain items dangerous?

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Are you familiar with the Ouija board? It is marketed as a children’s game, but it is actually a sinister device used to contact spirits from hell. There is a wicked demon named Zozo, who is one of Satan’s top assistants, who shows up every time the “game” is played. He is malevolent and pure evil. Such a board will invite demons into a person’s house, but masks cannot.

Angel Wings 1288 said:

Are you familiar with the Ouija board? It is marketed as a children’s game, but it is actually a sinister device used to contact spirits from hell. There is a wicked demon named Zozo, who is one of Satan’s top assistants, who shows up every time the “game” is played. He is malevolent and pure evil. Such a board will invite demons into a person’s house, but masks cannot.

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Demons are from hell? I think they will go there one day, but for now are just the fallen angels.

Superhero Sam said:

How does appearing in different ways deceive people?

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How does putting on a disguise tell the truth of who that individual is? Actors put on costumes, makeup, masks to provide an illusion. That is what Satan is all about, illusion. not reality. Half truths, not complete truths. He likes mixing some truth into his lies, makes it more believable.

mmksparbud said:

How does putting on a disguise tell the truth of who that individual is? Actors put on costumes, makeup, masks to provide an illusion. That is what Satan is all about, illusion. not reality. Half truths, not complete truths. He likes mixing some truth into his lies, makes it more believable.

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I was referring to former occult testimonies, who already know they are messing around with ungodly dangerous things.

Superhero Sam said:

I was referring to former occult testimonies, who already know they are messing around with ungodly dangerous things.

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If they know what they are messing with, then yes, they are sending an invitational message.

Radrook said:

The book of Ezekiel describes the angel Lucifer as beautiful. Yet he is depicted traditionally as hideous. Did he indeed lose his physical beauty after sin? If indeed so, what scriptural evidence can you provide to support that concept?

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the name "lucifer" is a misnomer for Satan. It first appears in the latin texts (as it is a latin word) and is retained in the KJV in Isa 14:12. Although today it can properly represent Satan it is a misnomer as a "tin can" is a misnomer (tin cans are not actually made out of tin). This is not Satan's original name it is a man given name nor is it found in any translation in the book of Ezekiel.

In Ezekiel (assuming the text Ezekiel 28:12-19) the king of Tyre is described (v12) and can be interpreted only figuratively to describe Satan. In the text the king is described with great beauty (v13) is called the "guardian cherub" (v14) and blameless (v15) but is cast down from the "mountain of God" for his sin (v16) where he is humiliated, consumed by fire and turn into ashes (v17-18) Afterwards his sight seems to be appalling (v19). So although he is described as once beautiful this beauty seems to have been taken away from him.

DamianWarS said:

the name "lucifer" is a misnomer for Satan. It first appears in the latin texts (as it is a latin word) and is retained in the KJV in Isa 14:12. Although today it can properly represent Satan it is a misnomer as a "tin can" is a misnomer (tin cans are not actually made out of tin). This is not Satan's original name it is a man given name nor is it found in any translation in the book of Ezekiel.

In Ezekiel (assuming the text Ezekiel 28:12-19) the king of Tyre is described (v12) and can be interpreted only figuratively to describe Satan. In the text the king is described with great beauty (v13) is called the "guardian cherub" (v14) and blameless (v15) but is cast down from the "mountain of God" for his sin (v16) where he is humiliated, consumed by fire and turn into ashes (v17-18) Afterwards his sight seems to be appalling (v19). So although he is described as once beautiful this beauty seems to have been taken away from him.

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That is what will happen--it does not say it did happen.

Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

The king of Tyre was never in Eden:
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;

Though it does start by talking about him, it does get to where it is more about Lucifer.
It is the same in Isaiah 14. It starts of about the king of Babylon but ends uo about Lucifer

Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon,
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

mmksparbud said:

That is what will happen--it does not say it did happen.

Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

The king of Tyre was never in Eden:
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;

Though it does start by talking about him, it does get to where it is more about Lucifer.
It is the same in Isaiah 14. It starts of about the king of Babylon but ends uo about Lucifer

Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon,
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

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again "lucifer" is a latin word (retained by the KJV) and is not the name of Satan but rather a human name we have given him. In the Isaiah text the word translated as "lucifer" is heylel which is likely a reference to the morning star or venus as in the morning you see it close to the horizon but as light gets stronger it disappears as if it has been cast down from above. "lucifer" is the latin word for this morning star and in the latin text it is also used to refer to Jesus.

The KJV was heavily influenced by the latin text and I don't know why they choose to keep the latin translated word for heylel in and make it a proper noun but I think it at least speaks that in the 14 century the word "lucifer" had already become a popular reference for Satan.

In the Isaiah text however there is no pivot from the King of Babylon to something named lucifer, heylel or morning star it is all the king of Babylon and is simply figurative language in a figurative text.

back to the Ezekiel text you're right that latter portion of it may be prophecy of Satan being thrown into the lake of fire. But its hard to figure out where the prophecy starts and the stuff that has already happened ends. The king is thrown from the mountain of God to earth where he is humiliated in v17 then in v18 he is consumed by fire and made into ash.

v17 reads "Your heart was proud because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor." then immediately following still in v17 "I cast you to the ground; I exposed you before kings, to feast their eyes on you."

There is a contrast here being made of his appearance where he is regarded as corrupted by his splendor then cast away so people can see his humiliation... what are they seeing? is it just a down cast king still beautiful or has his beauty been removed and is this his humiliation?

I think by the way the text contrasts his beauty it is the latter. The text is not completely clear but it is clear this character had not just great luster but power as well. How much do we think he retained when he was cast down? Does he have the same power he once had? Perhaps his beauty reflects his cast down sinful state as it seemed to previously reflect his blamelessness state previously.

Yes--I know all that
"But, there seems to be no Hebrew or Aramaic text in which there is a word in this verse to correspond. What we find in all such texts is the word "hehlehl,’ eill, which is a form of the Hebrew stem "yah-lahl," ill. And what is the meaning of "ill"? Are you ready? It means HOWL. That’s right, "Lucifer" turns out to be nothing more than a "howl" (maybe of ‘hot air’)!"
"Heylel or Eill?


Never the less---I still believe these passages are in deed, referring to Satan--the devil, the dragon.....And again----the destruction and humiliation of this character is not something that was done, but will be done.