The 7000-Year Theory

Interplanner said:

I suppose things could have been so dark that the band of light of the Milky Way could be called 'light' for each cycle. Even so, it doesn't seem to stack.

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You have been a fire fly of flickering light in absolute spiritual darkness absolutely, deep cave type with no light, ie, tremendous complement my friend.

yeshuasavedme said:

I never heard that before, but the creation of the sun on the 4th day is an oracle of the coming of the Son of God in flesh as the Glory of God, in the 4th millennial "Day". Do a Bible search on the glory and the Light which He alone bears.
He is the "Sun of Righteousness" and the sun itself types Him being the One in whose face the Light of the Glory of the invisible YHWH is seen.

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That's a really interesting way of looking at it that I had not thought of or heard before. It makes sense in a way, although how do attribute the other days to their matching events?

1. Light from dark, knowledge of good and evil and the beginning separation between good and evil men.

2. Separation of the waters, ie. the flood and creation of varying nations throughout the world.

3. Plants and vegetation, maturing of the human civilization into cities, towns, nations, trade networks, increase of technology including farming, mining, discovery's of the classical era.

4. Sun- Son as you touched on. (What an awesome day!!!!)

5. Birds and Fish- humans now live and have expanded to every corner of the globe, Gospel is beginning to spread rapidly all across the planet.

6. Animals of the land- Complete spread across the globe and development of land. By the end of this day the gospel will have reached every tribe, tongue, and nation and the entire earth will be colonized and inhabited.

6. Also on the sixth day man is created, resulting eventually in the ultimate rebellion of evil man and the ultimate saving of man through Christ Jesus, in essence the completion of man and who he will become.

7. Rest and peace: 1000 year millennial reign with the world and all its inhabitants under the absolute perfect authority of Christ Jesus.

I'm sure there are better connections to be drawn but its a start. One things for certain, we appear to be reaching the end of the 6th day.

Houly said:

Early premillennialists included Pseudo-Barnabas, Papias, Methodius, Lactantius, Commodianus Theophilus, Tertullian, Melito, Hippolytus of Rome, and Victorinus of Pettau. Many of these theologians and others in the early church expressed their belief in premillennialism through their acceptance of this sexta-septamillennial tradition. This belief claims that human history will continue for 6,000 years and then will enjoy Sabbath for 1,000 years (the millennial kingdom), thus all of human history will have a total of 7,000 years prior to the new creation.

Millennial Day Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Has anyone ever discussed an "octa-millennial" extension of that tradition?

The Septuagint (LXX) dates Creation to approximately 5500 BC. Thus, those early Classical-era Christian writers were apparently expecting a "Rev 19 Second Coming" event around 500 AD, to usher in the Prophesied "Rev 20 Christian Millennium" until around 1500 AD:


One could compare this with the history of "the city of Constantine", built by the victorious Christian emperor Constantine after witnessing a heavenly sign in the sky, as well as its spectacular Hagia Sophia regarding which emperor Justinian remarked that it outdid even Solomon's original temple. That city, Constantinople, whose name literally means "the city of standing together" (united in harmony), stood until it was taken ouer in the 15th century (Rev 20:3,7 + other alleged Prophesies Sultan Mehmet 'the conqueror' was credited with fulfilling, as it happens).

Afterwards, Christendom has ceaselessly splintered into thousands of apostacizing & dissenting denominations today (cp. Rev 20:7-10).

According to this timeline, the LXX and stated Classical-era Christians' teachings have been substantially vindicated, and humanity now exists in its "eighth (8th) Biblical Day" or octamillennium, of deception, trickery, dissension, apostasy, disunity, discord & disharmony. And, indeed, for 2000 years, Christians have attributed the mystical number 888 to Jesus Christ, e.g. in antithesis to the 666 of the anti-Christ. The Christly number derives from "gematria" applied to the original Greek spelling of Jesus' name, in a manner identical to deriving 666 from the name of the pagan emperor Nero:


The end of the "8th Biblical Day" would be about the year 2500 AD. So perhaps the Great White Throne of Judgement (Rev 20:11) could be Prophetically "implied" to arrive around that time, towards the middle of the 3rd millennium AD ?

I do not deal with extra-Bibical prophecies.

[QUOTE="yeshuasavedme, post: 63498407, member: 72939"This Covenant in Genesis 15 is the land Covenant, and this is when God said to Abraham that his seed -yet future seed -would return to the land in the fourth generation.] The generations are:
1. Isaac
2. Jacob
3. Levi
4. Moses.[/QUOTE]

I see two generations that you appear to have left out,
Genesis 46:11 KJV
And the sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath, and Merari.
Exodus 6:18 KJV
And the sons of Kohath; Amram, and Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel:
Exodus 6:20 KJV
And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses:

Help me understand this discrepancy
I have not read the entire thread yet

Well, it's just a question, really.

I do think that Justin Martyr, Irenaeus and other Classical-era Christians really did, as they seemingly wrote, believe in a sexta-/septa-millennial interpretation of Revelations.


Which 6th Biblical Day would end in the expected Christian Millennium of the 7th Biblical Day (to 1500 AD).

That would make the present era the 8th Biblical Day... and Christians have been equating Jesus with 888 for two thousand years... I don't claim to know what it might mean or otherwise.. Just seems significant, being based on Scripture, and ancient Church Traditions.

Note that Hebrew "24 hour days" begin at dusk. Such that the latter half of the 6th Biblical Day (birth of Christ to 500 AD) would have figuratively been the "dawn to dusk" "daytime daylight hours" thereof. Likewise, if the 8th Biblical Day began in the 15th century AD, then 2000 AD -- cp. "Y2K" and "Maya 2012" -- was the "dawn" of the "daylight hours" thereof. That seems possibly significant, because many people apparently perceived powerful spiritual forces at work around the turn of the millennium. So the fact that it would have actually been coincident exactly with the "daybreak of dawn" on the 8th Biblical Day could possibly be actually Spiritually significant.

Erik Nelson said:

Has anyone ever discussed an "octa-millennial" extension of that tradition?

The Septuagint (LXX) dates Creation to approximately 5500 BC. Thus, those early Classical-era Christian writers were apparently expecting a "Rev 19 Second Coming" event around 500 AD, to usher in the Prophesied "Rev 20 Christian Millennium" until around 1500 AD:

“I and others who are right-minded Christians on all points are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built... For Isaiah spoke in that manner concerning this period of a thousand years.”
Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho (ch. LXXX)​

One could compare this with the history of "the city of Constantine", built by the victorious Christian emperor Constantine after witnessing a heavenly sign in the sky, as well as its spectacular Hagia Sophia regarding which emperor Justinian remarked that it outdid even Solomon's original temple. That city, Constantinople, whose name literally means "the city of standing together" (united in harmony), stood until it was taken ouer in the 15th century (Rev 20:3,7 + other alleged Prophesies Sultan Mehmet 'the conqueror' was credited with fulfilling, as it happens).

Afterwards, Christendom has ceaselessly splintered into thousands of apostacizing & dissenting denominations today (cp. Rev 20:7-10).

According to this timeline, the LXX and stated Classical-era Christians' teachings have been substantially vindicated, and humanity now exists in its "eighth (8th) Biblical Day" or octamillennium, of deception, trickery, dissension, apostasy, disunity, discord & disharmony. And, indeed, for 2000 years, Christians have attributed the mystical number 888 to Jesus Christ, e.g. in antithesis to the 666 of the anti-Christ. The Christly number derives from "gematria" applied to the original Greek spelling of Jesus' name, in a manner identical to deriving 666 from the name of the pagan emperor Nero:

IESOUS = 10 + 8 + 200 + 70 + 400 + 200 = 888​

The end of the "8th Biblical Day" would be about the year 2500 AD. So perhaps the Great White Throne of Judgement (Rev 20:11) could be Prophetically "implied" to arrive around that time, towards the middle of the 3rd millennium AD ?

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Nope, I never heard of that one at all. So I Googled "octa-millennial", and don't find anything at all about it.

I never even heard that Jesus' number was 888, I thought 777 would be a better fit.

In the end, after reading your note, my opinion on this is that it all hinges on the authors of the Septuagint and their date of creation.

"The Septuagint (LXX) dates Creation to approximately 5500 BC.

Where they suggest the year 2500, I have it closer to 3019.

Thanks for bumping this thread back up, that guy in post 181 was Old Jack. I think he was Amil, talking to interplanner the preterist, but Jack the best. They were both good guys.

I bet that we'll all be doing something very different in 2500.

Erik Nelson said:

Well, it's just a question, really.

I do think that Justin Martyr, Irenaeus and other Classical-era Christians really did, as they seemingly wrote, believe in a sexta-/septa-millennial interpretation of Revelations.

Nero = Caesars = 666 = anti-Christian pagan imperial Lords of the 6th Biblical Day (to 500 AD)​

Which 6th Biblical Day would end in the expected Christian Millennium of the 7th Biblical Day (to 1500 AD).

That would make the present era the 8th Biblical Day... and Christians have been equating Jesus with 888 for two thousand years... I don't claim to know what it might mean or otherwise.. Just seems significant, being based on Scripture, and ancient Church Traditions.

Note that Hebrew "24 hour days" begin at dusk. Such that the latter half of the 6th Biblical Day (birth of Christ to 500 AD) would have figuratively been the "dawn to dusk" "daytime daylight hours" thereof. Likewise, if the 8th Biblical Day began in the 15th century AD, then 2000 AD -- cp. "Y2K" and "Maya 2012" -- was the "dawn" of the "daylight hours" thereof. That seems possibly significant, because many people apparently perceived powerful spiritual forces at work around the turn of the millennium. So the fact that it would have actually been coincident exactly with the "daybreak of dawn" on the 8th Biblical Day could possibly be actually Spiritually significant.

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To truly understand what these early Christians believed, we need to examine the time at which they expected these things to take place. Barnabas said:

“The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: ‘And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it.’Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, ‘He finished in six days.’ This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, will be as a thousand years. Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. ‘And He rested on the seventh day.’ This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day. Moreover, He says, ‘Thou shalt sanctify it with pure hands and a pure heart.’ If, therefore, any one can now sanctify the day which God hath sanctified, except he is pure in heart in all things, Behold, therefore: certainly then one properly resting sanctifies it, when we ourselves, having received the promise, wickedness no longer existing, and all things having been made new by the Lord, shall be able to work righteousness. Then we shall be able to sanctify it, having been first sanctified ourselves.” (Epistle of Barnabas, chapter XV)

In commenting on “the beast,” Irenaeus said,

“‘And he will cause a mark [to be put] in the forehead and in the right hand, that no one may be able to buy or sell, unless he who has the mark of the name of the beast or the number of his name; and the number is six hundred and sixty-six,’ that is, six times a hundred, six times ten, and six units. [He gives this] as a summing up of the whole of that apostasy which has taken place during six thousand years.
“For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: ‘Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works.’This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years; and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year.” (Against Heresies, by Irenaeus, book V, chapter XXVII, sections 2-3)

Irenaeus further said,

“And again He says, “Whosoever shall have left lands, or houses, or parents, or brethren, or children because of Me, he shall receive in this world an hundred-fold, and in that to come he shall inherit eternal life.” For what are the hundred-fold [rewards] in this word, the entertainments given to the poor, and the suppers for which a return is made? These are [to take place] in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day, which has been sanctified, in which God rested from all the works which He created, which is the true Sabbath of the righteous, which they shall not be engaged in any earthly occupation; but shall have a table at hand prepared for them by God, supplying them with all sorts of dishes.” (Against Heresies, by Irenaeus, book V, chapter XXXIII, section 2)

Both Barnabas and Irenaeus clearly taught that the time when God destroys the Antichrist will be at the end of the earth’s six thousandth year. Now if either of these writers was using the chronology of the Hebrew text of the Old Testament, they would have thought that all this would take place nearly two thousand years into their future. But at this time almost all Christians used the Septuagint translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek. This translation added significant numbers of years to many of the time periods given in the Old Testament, making the age of our present creation at the time of the birth of Jesus about five and a half thousand years, instead of the familiar four thousand years given in the Hebrew text. So they most likely thought that all this would take place only hundreds of years into their future, rather than thousands of years. But regardless of whether they thought these things would take place hundreds or thousands of years later, they placed them far into their own futures.


Although neither Barnabas nor Irenaeus explicitly said that this kingdom would last a thousand years, they both put it far into the future and both strongly implied it by saying that the six days of creation represented six thousand years, and that the seventh day of rest represented the time of the kingdom.

Justin said nothing about the six thousand years, but clearly stated that the kingdom would be in the future and would last a thousand years, saying,

“I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, [as] the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare.
“For Isaiah spake thus concerning this space of a thousand years: ‘For there shall be the new heaven and the new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, or come into their heart; but they shall find joy and gladness in it, which things I create. For, Behold, I make Jerusalem a rejoicing, and My people a joy; and I shall rejoice over Jerusalem, and be glad over My people. And the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, or the voice of crying. And there shall be no more there a person of immature years, or an old man who shall not fulfil his days. For the young man shall be an hundred years old; but the sinner who dies an hundred years old, he shall be accursed. And they shall build houses, and shall themselves inhabit them; and they shall plant vines, and shall themselves eat the produce of them, and drink the wine. They shall not build, and others inhabit; they shall not plant, and others eat. For according to the days of the tree of life shall be the days of my people; the works of their toil shall abound... Now we have understood that the expression used among these words, ‘According to the days of the tree shall be the days of my people; the works of their toil shall abound’ obscurely predicts a thousand years. We have perceived, moreover, that the expression, ‘The day of the Lord is as a thousand years, is connected with this subject. And further, there was a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ, who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him, that those who believed in our Christ would dwell a thousand years in Jerusalem; and that thereafter the general, and, in short, the eternal resurrection and judgment of all men would likewise take place.” (Dialogue With Trypho, by Justin Martyr, chapters LXXX-LXXXI)

Eusebius reported that Papias also said the kingdom would be in the future and would last a thousand years, saying, “The same writer gives also other accounts which he says came to him through unwritten tradition, certain strange parables and teachings of the Saviour, and some other more mythical things. To these belong his statement that there will be a period of some thousand years after the resurrection of the dead, and that the kingdom of Christ will be set up in material form on this very earth.” (The Church History, by Eusebius, book III, chapter XXXIX, sections 12-13.)

Irenaeus further commented on the future character of this kingdom, saying,

“Then again, speaking of Jerusalem, and of Him reigning there, Isaiah declares, ‘Thus saith the Lord, Happy is he who hath seed in Zion, and servants in Jerusalem. Behold, a righteous king shall reign, and princes shall rule with judgment.’ And with regard to the foundation on which it shall be rebuilt, he says: ‘Behold, I will lay in order for thee a carbuncle stone, and sapphire for thy foundations; and I will lay thy ramparts with jasper, and thy gates with crystal, and thy wall with choice stones: and all thy children shall be taught of God, and great shall be the peace of thy children; and in righteousness shalt thou be built up.’ And yet again does he say the same thing: ‘Behold, I make Jerusalem a rejoicing, and my people [a joy]; for the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. Also there shall not be there any immature [one], nor an old man who does not fulfil his time: for the youth shall be of a hundred years; and the sinner shall die a hundred years old, yet shall be accursed. And they shall build houses, and inhabit them themselves; and shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them themselves, and shall drink wine. And they shall not build, and others inhabit; neither shall they prepare the vineyard, and others eat. For as the days of the tree of life shall be the days of the people in thee; for the works of their hands shall endure.’” (Against Heresies, by Irenaeus, book V, chapter XXIV, section 4)

“Now all these things being such as they are, cannot be understood in reference to super-celestial matters; ‘for God, it is said,’ ‘will show to the whole earth that is under heaven thy glory.’ But in the times of the kingdom, the earth has been called again by Christ [to its pristine condition], and Jerusalem rebuilt after the pattern of the Jerusalem above, of which the prophet Isaiah says, ‘Behold, I have depicted thy walls upon my hands, and thou art always in my sight.’” (Against Heresies, by Irenaeus, book V, chapter XXXV, section 2)

We have now seen that the millennium was described as a future kingdom by Papias, Barnabas, Justin, and Irenaeus. This is all the Christian commentators on prophecy that wrote before the third century and whose works were preserved. We have also seen that both Papias and Justin explicitly said that this period would last a thousand years, and that both of the other two strongly implied it.

Yes, the disparity between the LXX timeline and that of the Masoretic text is extremely significant. The Hebrew text timeline has become compressed by 1500-2000 years as compared to the LXX.

Writing around 200 AD, Tertullian stated, "obviously" following Rev 19-20:

But what a spectacle is that fast-approaching coming of our Lord, now owned by all, now highly exalted, now a triumphant One! What that exultation of the angelic hosts! What the glory of the rising saints! What the kingdom of the just thereafter! What the city New Jerusalem!

Indeed, solely a century hence, Christian emperor Constantine defeated his pagan opponents, according to a heavenly Divine Vision, and created an explicitly Christian capital at Constantinople, essentially "fresh from the ground up", whereat Christian emperor Justinian then built the famous Hagia Sophia, and which Christian capital endured just about exactly 1000 years.

Preterism accords with the ancient Apostolic traditions of the earliest Church Fathers, vindicating their writings as well as the Scriptures upon which they were based. It seems easy to identify modern times with the Prophetically-predicted "End Times" of Rev 20:7-9, after the Millennia (=Byzantine empire), on the "Biblical eve" of "The Lord's Arrival" (Rev 20:10ff).

(Of course, maybe not. Perhaps it's "peace & safety" from here to Andromeda to the Virgo Cluster and beyond, "peace & safety" far & wide, automatically, for free. Wish it so, say it "just has to" be so, and the fabric of space-time will instantly reconfigure according to terrestrial human desires.)

Original Happy Camper said:

[QUOTE="yeshuasavedme, post: 63498407, member: 72939"This Covenant in Genesis 15 is the land Covenant, and this is when God said to Abraham that his seed -yet future seed -would return to the land in the fourth generation.] The generations are:
1. Isaac
2. Jacob
3. Levi
4. Moses.

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I see two generations that you appear to have left out,
Genesis 46:11 KJV
And the sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath, and Merari.
Exodus 6:18 KJV
And the sons of Kohath; Amram, and Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel:
Exodus 6:20 KJV
And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses:

Help me understand this discrepancy
I have not read the entire thread yet[/QUOTE]
God counted Moses as Levi's seed, and as the fourth generation from Abraham.
Jochebed was the daughter of Levi who was "born at the gates of Egypt", as the writings of the Jews state, and was the "70th soul to enter Egypt who were born out of Levi's loins".
Only 69 are listed because she was literally "dropped at the gate" at entry.
She married her brother's son, Amram, and her son, Moses, was counted as Levi's seed, which he literally was, since he came out of Levi's loins through Levi's grandson, Amram, but was nurtured in the daughter of Levi's womb. Levi is # 3 generation from the promise, and his own daughter bore # 4, by means of his own seed coming out of his loins, but through his son, and son's son.

In Hebrews 4, we read that "Levi paid tithes" to the king of righteousness, when he was "yet in the loins of Abraham". Abraham was his great grandfather, but he came out of his loins.
So, when Jochebed, Levi's daughter, had Moses, he was counted by God as the fourth generation from Abraham...

[QUOTE="keras, post: 63483509, member]:...Abraham was +99 when the Covenant was made with God...
Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Torah was given +430 after the Covenant. [/QUOTE]
That was a lot of work you did!
One point, though, Abraham was not 99 when the promise was given, but 70, according to the history "book of Jasher". Abraham entered Canaan twice. The promise was given age 70, after which he went back to Haran, and again left for Canaan and remained except for the times he went out for drought and famine.
I'm terrible at numbers, but I think I did that right.
Israel was in Egypt 210 years. Then the Law was given.
Abraham had Isaac age 100
Jacob born 60 years later
Jacob 130 when he entered Egypt
Israel, the nation, was there 210 years, then the Law was given.
210 +130 +60=400 years
Abraham was 100 when Isaac was born, so Abraham was 70 when the promise was given.
Book of Jasher[=history/records of the Patriarchs], chapter 13:

" And it was in the fifteenth year of Abram's dwelling in the land of Canaan, which is the seventieth year of the life of Abram, and the Lord appeared to Abram in that year and he said to him, I am the Lord who brought thee out from *Ur Casdim* to give thee this land for an inheritance.
18 Now therefore walk before me and be perfect and keep my commands, for to thee and to thy seed I will give this land for an inheritance, from the river Mitzraim unto the great river Euphrates.
19 And thou shalt come to thy fathers in peace and in good age, and the fourth generation shall return here in this land and shall inherit it forever; and Abram built an altar, and he called upon the name of the Lord who appeared to him, and he brought up sacrifices upon the altar to the Lord.
20 At that time Abram returned and went to Haran to see his father and mother, and his father's household, and Abram and his wife and all belonging to him returned to Haran, and Abram dwelt in Haran five years.

* "fires" of the Kasdim: ur was not a city, but a fire that Abraham was thrown into, on order of Nimrod, when he would not worship the gods of his father; so Nimrod had him thrown in the fires -he lived.]

srphoenix said:

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I'm sure there are better connections to be drawn but its a start. One things for certain, we appear to be reaching the end of the 6th day.

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Yep.
God has three or more cycles of time running in the heavens, rolling the years by.
In the Bible, we have seven thousand year days for a millennial week.
We have 700 year weeks.
We have Jubilee years, which are the 50th year after 49 normal years.
There are 140 Jubilee years for this present creation.
Then, in the 700 year "weeks", there is a mystery in that they "stop", and are not counted from the time of the destruction of Jerusalem until the rapture of the Church. Then they start again. There are ten weeks in this cycle, until the eternal days for heaven and earth. That info is in the book of Enoch, and is understood by the dream visions given to Enoch. That cycle overlaps the 7,000 years, and enters into the 8th day of creation.
God's stars work like the gears of His heavenly clock, rolling all these different ways He marks time, around.

grf

yeshuasavedme said:

Abraham was 100 when Isaac was born, so Abraham was 70 when the promise was given.
Book of Jasher[=history/records of the Patriarchs], chapter 13:

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I have read the book of Jasher and most of the Apocrypha books and they are interesting and informative, but they are not Scripture.
You seem to be confusing the age of Terah; 70 when he fathered Abram.
Why do you feel it necessary to dispute the exact time periods: 2000 Adam to Abraham, 2000 from Abraham to Jesus and now nearly 2000 when Jesus will Return, as I showed in my timeline?

keras said:

I have read the book of Jasher and most of the Apocrypha books and they are interesting and informative, but they are not Scripture.
You seem to be confusing the age of Terah; 70 when he fathered Abram.
Why do you feel it necessary to dispute the exact time periods: 2000 Adam to Abraham, 2000 from Abraham to Jesus and now nearly 2000 when Jesus will Return, as I showed in my timeline?

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I thought you did excellent job.
I only pointed out that Abraham was 70 when the promise was given, which anyone can go backwards from the giving of the Law to the 430 years to see that Abraham was 70. I detailed it in my post.
That is not so hard to do, using the Torah, but the history book called the "record of the Upright", Book of Jasher, gives the information.
I believe Jasher is true history as much as all the history books included in the Tenach, and in the books called "second canon" =all of them, and in the history books in the NT, which include all after the four Gospels and the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

I believe in the one week of thousand year days for this present creation, as I said, until the New Creation.
I also see/understand that God has several calendars running simultaneously in the heavens, as I mentioned.
1. 140 Jubilee years for the 7,000 year timeline. That is in the Jewish writings and is in the Torah.
2. A week of Millennial days, with the seventh being the Sabbath Millennium.
3. And ten weeks of 700 years which Enoch also tells us about, in the parables. He was born "the 7th from Adam, in the first week"- of 700 years. Enoch's dream visions of the totemic imagery of the histories of the nations there are ten weeks of 700 years each. Those weeks have a full "stop" and are not counted during the Gentile Church age, and they begin to be counted again when the Church is raptured, pretrib. Those ten weeks overlap the seventh Millennium and go on into the 8th Day, that Great Day, which is oracled in the Law.

yeshuasavedme said:

I only pointed out that Abraham was 70 when the promise was given, which anyone can go backwards from the giving of the Law to the 430 years to see that Abraham was 70

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Genesis 17:1-2 Abraham was 99 when the Lord said to him: I will make a Covenant with you.....

yeshuasavedme said:

140 Jubilee years for the 7,000 year timeline.

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140 X 50 = 7000. But a Jubilee comes every 49 years -as the 50th year and also the first year of the next cycle. If it isn't done like this, then the Sabbath years; every seventh year, get out of kilter.

yeshuasavedme said:

And ten weeks of 700 years which Enoch also tells us about, in the parables. He was born "the 7th from Adam, in the first week"- of 700 years. Enoch's dream visions of the totemic imagery of the histories of the nations there are ten weeks of 700 years each. Those weeks have a full "stop" and are not counted during the Gentile Church age, and they begin to be counted again when the Church is raptured, pretrib. Those ten weeks overlap the seventh Millennium and go on into the 8th Day, that Great Day, which is oracled in the Law.

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This sounds like something out of a fiction book.
Where in the Bible do you see an rapture to heaven for the Church?

keras said:

Genesis 17:1-2 Abraham was 99 when the Lord said to him: I will make a Covenant with you.....
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Genesis 14,15, tell us of the time God gave the promise, which was 430 years before the Law.
Abraham was still Abram, at that time, and the promise is given.
Please read it. Ishmael was not even born yet, at that time.
That is when God put Abram in a deep sleep and passed between the cut pieces and gave the oath of the land promise that cannot be broken, 430 years before the law.
Count it out in the biblical record to get back to Abram at Isaac's birth; it is 400 years. I listed it in that post. So Abram was 70 when the promise was given, which is written of in Genesis 15, after Genesis 14's battle with the three kings and Nimrod/ the same is "Am Rapha El" [Nimrod was nicknamed "in him they fel"l, by the people, after the fall of Babel's tower]. Abram and his small army chased Nimrod and the kings back to Hobah, to the north of Damascus; then Abram received the blessing [of the firstborn [from Shem =king of righteousness =priest of the Most High God], which comes down to Yeshua through Levi [At John's baptism to righteousness of Yeshua], and through inheriting David's throne: and so the office of High Priest of earth and of High King of earth is united in Messiah, and is never to be passed to another....but that is another Scripture study...

Genesis 15:
5 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”

2 But Abram said, “Lord God, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?” 3 Then Abram said, “Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!”

4 And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, saying, “This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.” 5 Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”

6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

7 Then He said to him, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”

8 And he said, “Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?”

9 So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.” 10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two. 11 And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.

12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him. 13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”

17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:

“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

keras said:

140 X 50 = 7000. But a Jubilee comes every 49 years -as the 50th year and also the first year of the next cycle. If it isn't done like this, then the Sabbath years; every seventh year, get out of kilter.

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Please read the Word of God on the Jubilee 50th year.
8 And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
11 A jubilee shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.
12 For it is the jubilee; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.
13 In the year of this jubilee ye shall return every man unto his possession.
Leviticus 25:8-13

yeshuasavedme said:

Please read the Word of God on the Jubilee 50th year.

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I did, and a Jubilee year is the Fiftieth year AND the first year of the next cycle. Therefore Jubilees come every 49 years.
Re Abraham; The promise was as you say, the Covenant is as Genesis 17:1 says.