Did Christ fulfill all that was written about him in the law, prophets, and Psalms?

claninja said:

Christ stated that he fulfilled all that was written about himself in the Old Testament: law of Moses, prophets, and psalms.

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The short answer is that Jesus fulfilled it all.

claninja said:

Just like how Jesus gave the great commission to go to ALL nations, and yet it wasn't until acts 10 that peter realized he could associate with gentiles. Or even when after he knew gentiles were part of Gods plan, Paul had to confront peter on his mistreatment of the gentiles.

My point is that even when Jesus explained things to the apostles, they still didn't fully understand, hence the spiritually immature question of when ethnic Israel would be restored as an earthly physical kingdom.

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When they asked that question they weren't told that it was spiritually immature for them to ask it. Such an idea has to be inserted by the reader. What Jesus did respond with is an answer that actually included a time and that it is fixed by the Father in heaven, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority." The only stipulation is they don't know when this would occur.

claninja said:

They weren't told here that having two swords was a spiritually immature response, but as a reader, from our perspective of what the kingdom of God actually is, it definitely was a spiritually immature response.

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That's the problem, the reader is 2000 years removed from an ancient culture which he is not familiar with. Alleging something like spiritual immaturity on them may just as likely be revealing ignorance on our part. So I wouldn't jump to that kind of conclusion. It's just conjecture that seems reasonable but can not be proven to be the case.

Hank77 said:

Maybe because that is all He wanted to speak about at that time in the temple. This was before His many confrontations with the Jewish leaders (vipers) and His declaration of the temple being destroyed.

Here is what He says in Luke 21.

Luk 21:20 `And when ye may see Jerusalem surrounded by encampments, then know that come nigh did her desolation;
Luk 21:21 then those in Judea, let them flee to the mountains; and those in her midst, let them depart out; and those in the countries, let them not come in to her;
Luk 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all things that have been written.

This happened in 70 AD.

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The more I study Revelation, the more I also see, at least most of it, as being fulfilled in AD70.
Anyone here read Josphus's account of the destruction of Jerusalem?

Luke 21:24 And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations. And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
[Reve 11:2/13:10]

Reve 13:10 If any to-captivity into captivity is going away. If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints.
[Luke 21:24]

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
The Destruction Of JERUSALEM
An Absolute and Irresistible PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY:
"I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."
(Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover..........
The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins.................
Before their final demolition, however, Titus took, a. survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ; for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?.................

Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, to which must be added, above TWO-HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND who perished in other places, and innumerable multitudes who were swept away by famine, and pestilence, and of which no calculation could be made........ Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND.........................

LittleLambofJesus said:

The more I study Revelation, the more I also see, at least most of it, as being fulfilled in AD70.

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The destruction of the Temple in AD 70 is what we call a "foreshortening event."

It is an event that precedes the fulfillment of a prophecy.

Call it a "dress rehearsal," if it will help you understand it better.

Antiochus Epiphanes and Adolf Hitler were "types" of the Antichrist, which is still to come.

claninja said:

Christ stated that he fulfilled all that was written about himself in the Old Testament: law of Moses, prophets, and psalms.

Luke 18:31-33 And having taken the twelve aside, he said unto them, `Lo, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things shall be completed -- that have been written through the prophets -- to the Son of Man, for he shall be delivered up to the nations, and shall be mocked, and insulted, and spit upon, and having scourged they shall put him to death, and on the third day he shall rise again.'

Luke 24:25-27 And he said unto them, `O inconsiderate and slow in heart, to believe on all that the prophets spake! Was it not behoving the Christ these things to suffer, and to enter into his glory?' and having begun from Moses, and from all the prophets, he was expounding to them in all the Writings the things about himself.

Luke 24:25-27, 44, 46-47 And he said unto them, `O inconsiderate and slow in heart, to believe on all that the prophets spake! Was it not behoving the Christ these things to suffer, and to enter into his glory?' and having begun from Moses, and from all the prophets, he was expounding to them in all the Writings the things about himself. and he said to them, `These are the words that I spake unto you, being yet with you, that it behoveth to be fulfilled all the things that are written in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets, and the Psalms, about me.' and he said to them -- `Thus it hath been written, and thus it was behoving the Christ to suffer, and to rise out of the dead the third day, and reformation and remission of sins to be proclaimed in his name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem:


Certain dispensational theologies state that Jesus has not yet fulfilled the Davidic oath, as Christ is not yet sitting on davids throne. If Jesus said he fulfilled all that was said about him in the law of Moses, psalms, and prophets, how did Jesus not fulfill the davidic covenant?

**note, this is not a discussion on future things revealed like in revelation, only what Christ did and did not fulfill in the Old Testament.

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This is a prophesy about Jesus fulfilled:

Deut. 18:17 (WEB) Yahweh said to me, “They have well said that which they have spoken. 18 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you. I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. 19 It shall happen, that whoever will not listen to my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.”

If you believe God and Jesus reign in heaven, then believe Christ is sitting on a seat David was not able to sit in.

LittleLambofJesus said:

The more I study Revelation, the more I also see, at least most of it, as being fulfilled in AD70.
Anyone here read Josphus's account of the destruction of Jerusalem?

Luke 21:24 And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations. And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
[Reve 11:2/13:10]

Reve 13:10 If any to-captivity into captivity is going away. If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints.
[Luke 21:24]

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
The Destruction Of JERUSALEM
An Absolute and Irresistible PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY:
"I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."
(Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover..........
The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins.................
Before their final demolition, however, Titus took, a. survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ; for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?.................

Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, to which must be added, above TWO-HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND who perished in other places, and innumerable multitudes who were swept away by famine, and pestilence, and of which no calculation could be made........ Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND.........................

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Josephus also writes how none of the Christians died in Jerusalem. They left before hand and fled to hills around Pella.
Jesus said, when you see....flee to the mountains.

claninja said:

It wasn't just a kick start, it was complete change in theology
27While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. 28He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile.

If Jesus meant literally all nations, including gentile nations, why didn't peter know this already?

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You left out the rest of that verse!

Here's the whole verse, chief:

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

claninja said:

So when did peter realize he could associate with gentiles, when he was told by christ to go to ALL nations or when he received the Vision from God?

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At the Great Commission, when he was told by Christ to go to ALL nations.

claninja said:

So then before the vision in acts 10, Peter already knew he could associate with gentiles?

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As I said, he was hesitant to do so and needed a kick start.

claninja said:

Christ stated that he fulfilled all that was written about himself in the Old Testament: law of Moses, prophets, and psalms.

Luke 18:31-33 And having taken the twelve aside, he said unto them, `Lo, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things shall be completed -- that have been written through the prophets -- to the Son of Man, for he shall be delivered up to the nations, and shall be mocked, and insulted, and spit upon, and having scourged they shall put him to death, and on the third day he shall rise again.'

Luke 24:25-27 And he said unto them, `O inconsiderate and slow in heart, to believe on all that the prophets spake! Was it not behoving the Christ these things to suffer, and to enter into his glory?' and having begun from Moses, and from all the prophets, he was expounding to them in all the Writings the things about himself.

Luke 24:25-27, 44, 46-47 And he said unto them, `O inconsiderate and slow in heart, to believe on all that the prophets spake! Was it not behoving the Christ these things to suffer, and to enter into his glory?' and having begun from Moses, and from all the prophets, he was expounding to them in all the Writings the things about himself. and he said to them, `These are the words that I spake unto you, being yet with you, that it behoveth to be fulfilled all the things that are written in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets, and the Psalms, about me.' and he said to them -- `Thus it hath been written, and thus it was behoving the Christ to suffer, and to rise out of the dead the third day, and reformation and remission of sins to be proclaimed in his name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem:


Certain dispensational theologies state that Jesus has not yet fulfilled the Davidic oath, as Christ is not yet sitting on davids throne. If Jesus said he fulfilled all that was said about him in the law of Moses, psalms, and prophets, how did Jesus not fulfill the davidic covenant?

**note, this is not a discussion on future things revealed like in revelation, only what Christ did and did not fulfill in the Old Testament.

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Did JESUS our Supreme LORD fulfill all that was written in the LAW and the PROPHETS and Psalms.

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

The above verse cannot be well understood without the knowledge of the Logos, which the unalterable blueprint or plan of salvation. GOD knows the end from the beginning. If this is true, then you can call it a plan, as nothing takes HIM unawares.

At the time the incarnate manifestation of the GOD of creation made the above statement, it seeming as though HE was teaching thing that were rivalling the teachings of the Law (Moses) as was written in subsequent verses from verse 21- 48. This was also a part of the scripture that sounded as though the GOD of the old testament is different from the GOD of the new testament. But this is not true, as the GOD is the same, yesterday, today and forever.

Jesus Christ(H.P) said that in acknowledging the fact that there is the plan of salvation, which is unalterable. The law came first to serve as our school master to get us ready and prepared for the higher. That higher was what the GOD HIMSELF brought then in HIS incarnate manifestation, so as the bridge the divide between the said old and new testament, between the Law and the Prophet, yet the core message the GOD came with was too high for the people of that age and time, which was why HE said to them:

Jn 16:12 — Jn 16:15
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Speaking of a person who shall come again with the true message of the gospel and it's detail (see also Malachi 4:5-6) in the age and time, when it can be better understood, as the world would have advanced in scientific knowledge, which will make it easier to assimilate the knowledge of supernatural sciences.

The Soul of the message Our Supreme Lord Jesus Christ came with can be found in John 8:52 and John 11:25-26. Therefore the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophet is not instant, but a process, which is still on until the last day, when death shall be totally destroyed, to be no more.

claninja said:

Here is another prophecy that Christ fulfilled:
Daniel 7:13-14
“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

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Who is the Son of Man?
Jesus Christ (H.P) is the GOD of creation, the GOD of all Mankind. If you say HE is the Son of Man, which man? Was any man involved in HIS conception and birth?