Commonalities of those who believe in Evolution of Life on Earth

Do evos usually believe these things?


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OK...you weighed in.

Well, you asked me to. Seeing that the purpose of this was to confirm creation deniers biases and selective thinking, what did you conclude?

(I'd appreciate it if you could elaborate; I'm genuinely curious of the details.)
 
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And yet I can easily explain every single aspect of my morality without reference to God. I don't endeavor to do good simply because someone told me to in a book somewhere.

I worry for anyone who can't explain their morality without it ultimately devolving down to "God told me to do this."

God tends to tell people what they want to hear.
 
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I find that an interesting correlation.

Here's what your "correlation" is missing. Many of us are heterosexual but since we aren't terrified of teh gayz we say "live and let live". That's very different from embracing the Sodom lifestyle.

For instance I'm heterosexual but the mere thought of you engaging in carnal activities kinda makes me ill. Yet I'm a-ok with you doing whatever it is you do in the privacy of your home with consenting adults so long as you don't hurt anyone.
 
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The only real issue in good and evil is believing in Jesus or not. Nothing else matters.

Ummm, well, sure. Because Jesus said to do different things that amount to a moral lifestyle. Of course if I can explain why I follow many of those tenants without reference to God then I actually have a foundation for following them. As opposed to, you know, just doing it because Jesus said to do it.

All good deeds or works are after the fact, and are a filthy joke if we reject Jesus. That is what it is all about.

Excellent! So when I work at a food bank or donate to a charity (even a recent donation I made to support some Christian friends' missionary work) it is a filthy joke to Jesus.

You know, that kinda makes Jesus look less than appealing as a moral teacher. Just sayin'.

Thankfully I don't worship that kind of concept.
 
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As far as saving us, yes. We can't buy heaven, or work our way there, it is a free gift of God through believing in Jesus, and what He did for us. Period.

I get the whole "Grace" thing, but would you believe that I actually like the concept of "Grace" but on a more secular level?

I feel that, like Christians believe, we are all "fallen". We are all prone to acts of evil or ill will and we are all likely to hurt other people at times. But we are in a society that is stronger if we remain cohesive. We need to care for each other. Yet so few of us truly deserve the love and care of our neighbors. That's true for all of us. "Grace" in this form comes from our fellow humans who freely grant us the love and support we may not always deserve. And it should be our goal to freely provide love and support, even to people we really dislike.

He was not a moral teacher. He is God Almighty Personally that conducted an emergency rescue operation for us.

And if the story of Jesus is limited solely to his death on the cross it has even less value to me. I mean no offense because that is often the cornerstone of many Christians' beliefs. But the things he taught (or were attributed to him) often times are wonderful aphorisms to live by. Truth that can be verified. Love thy neighbor...it works because we are all neighbors. Judge not...it works because sooner later we can also be judged for our misdeeds. The list goes on.

The fact that God manifested himself to be a sacrifice to himself to atone his creation to himself is less interesting to me than how we can create a society that works to help everyone. And treats everyone with equity.
 
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Are a goodaphobeName calling now myth man?
I believe in creation and a creator that destroyed cities with fury and power partly to warn man against Homosins. If you advocate evil, you are a goodaphobe, Truthaphobe, and bibleaphobe. Sorry myth man, you don't get to set morals here.
Neither do you.
 
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Great. I think happy pills are great stuff too.

I assume that is a form of insult?

However, history shows that nations rise and fall, and fall, and fall. Those who hold out hope that a collective bunch of filthy sinners will achieve utopia and peace and love are proven wrong. The problem is inside men. Jesus fixes us from the inside out.

Not asking for utopia. Asking for people to behave according to the better angels of their nature.

He taught that all others are theives and robbers and there is only one way to the Father...through Him. Other teachings like the sermon on the mount have to do with what His kingdom is like. So there, with new hearts and after He makes us better, not only will we not cheat and steal another man's wife, for example, but won't even hurt the guy's feeling by openly lusting after his gal. None of that is possible unless we get saved first. THAT is His teaching.

OK. Well, thanks, but I'll keep trying to do right by others even if you don't think it has any value. Thankfully I don't need the approval of people who hold such a corrosive theology.

I can verify it never really happened in history so much! Cheap phony plastic smiles and words don't do it.

Cheap phony piety won't do it either. But you keep on keepin' on.

Which society did that? Egypt? Rome? Persia? Greece? Babylon? The pinkos in Russia? The USA? North Korea? No one did.

So since it has been an ideal that has not been achieved, it is meaningless to care about other people?
Do you actually think through your position before you speak it?

Look, I get it. I offend you because you wouldn't be able to figure out I was an atheist by looking at the fruit I bear. And that scares you. It scares you because you have a version of reality in which people who don't believe in God are DOOOOMED, EVIL BEINGS! Embracing Sodom! OOooooH! But meanwhile so many atheists out there are OK people who live perfectly normal lives and have a perfectly fine morality. A morality that in almost all ways doesn't differ from yours (with the exception of being a bit more tolerant of people who were born different from them).

That's scary isn't it? But your bluster keeps you appearing to be strong and sure and proud.

And it's that pride part that I find the most ironic. Because, well, you know what they say about pride going before destruction and "an haughty spirit" before a fall.

I'd say you got the PRIDE and HAUGHTY SPIRIT stuff down pretty good.

Enjoy.
 
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Hey good works are all well and good. They will not save you though.

I don't think you are tracking on the conversation: I don't want some eternal life. I'm an atheist. Life is all we have so why worry about how I'm going to spend an eternity I don't believe in?

Some people have different ideas of what is a good work even. Some think blowing up a country is a good work.

And again, atheists aren't usually the ones flying planes into buildings.

Others think killing people to reduce population is a good work. Others think killing babies or trying to legislate some green agenda is a good work

Again, you seem to live in a very dark and horrible place. I've never met anyone who thinks abortion is a "good" thing. Honestly. I don't say that glibly. Most of us who are Pro-Choice would LOVE it if there was never another abortion that ever happened. That's why we support birth control and sex education and options for people who make mistakes or find themselves in what appears to them to be an untenable situation.

Instead we have to fight against God-Fearing Evangelicals who think pooling our economic wealth to help the poor is somehow "bad". Or who feel that providing birth control is a sin.

No, it is a great thing. It won't save us though. Also, only with God in us could we really do it right.

And thus you reserve for yourself all virtue. Good one. Another crown for you in heaven! Polish it well! Shiny shiny crowns! Lots of jewels! Ooooo, sparkly!

The first thing I look for as fruit is whether one believes in Jesus. That is good fruit.

Funny, I have seen lots of people who believe in Jesus but love their guns and worship money with the best of 'em. I've seen the most pious people you could ever meet who love them some Jesus but who treat others with such bile that it makes me wonder.

Being definite is not being proud, being proud is more like thinking one doesn't need God. Whatever lifts them in pride is not things of God.

No, Dad, don't be confused. YOU ARE PROUD. Look at your posts on this forum. Your pride is thick. Your haughtiness is world class.
 
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And thus you reserve for yourself all virtue. Good one. Another crown for you in heaven! Polish it well! Shiny shiny crowns! Lots of jewels! Ooooo, sparkly!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
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For the people who want a lower population on earth, I suggest starting with yourself, that might help.

^^^^HEY EVERYONE! LOOK AT THE CHRISTIAN TELLING ME TO DIE^^^^

FTW!
 
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Platitudes aside, if people support killing babies, even though they have good excuses in their mind, they qualify.

Has there been a recent baby killing movement that I am unaware of?
 
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If you are one of those wanting to kill off others to reduce the population, I suggest starting not with others, but yourselves.
No one is suggesting killing off others to reduce the population, except for you.

Do you know what a strawman argument is?
 
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Ephriam had sinned unto death. The worship of idols, and such evils. Looking at his brother, we see the sort of evil that God will not allow forever.

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Manasseh, son of King Hezekiah, and mother Hephzibah, began his reign at age 12. He reigned 55 years, the longest of any Hebrew King, but it was an evil reign. He rebuilt the heathen altars that his father Hezekiah had destroyed - the altars of Baal. He even built pagan altars in both courts of the Temple of the Lord, for worshiping the sun, moon and stars.

And Manasseh sacrificed his own children as burnt offerings in the valley of Hinnom. He consulted spirit mediums, fortune tellers and sorcerers. He angered the Lord by encouraging every sort of evil (2 Chronicles 33:4-6). He also murdered large numbers of innocent people (2 Kings 21:16).

Manasseh (son of Joseph)

When a nation reached that level of wickedness, God allowed enemy nations to destroy them, and that does involve the sort of thing mentioned in the verse you cite.

If we follow you're (or God's) logic, after WW2 it would have been appropriate to kill every man, woman and child in Germany as holy retribution for the Holocaust.
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The sin of homosex is just a sin, like many others. Jesus washes it all away. That sin was one that destroyed cities though, so I get the point to shun it like the plauge.

Your Bible says NOTHING about being homosexual.
 
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If you are one of those wanting to kill off others to reduce the population, I suggest starting not with others, but yourselves.

I'm not in favor of killing off others!

C'mon, Dad. I'm going to have to report you! Thankfully this is not a time when I'm particularly suicidal but you just can't say stuff like that! And then to double down on it and BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST ME is just sick!

Is this really what Jesus' message means to you????
 
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