Ten Commandments NOT law of sin and death

Vehicle in this parable-case is "human". I think we all see that.

listed said:

I don't think you understand how the mind works. The human mind doesn't register the negative in a statement. It doesn't hear do not, it hears do.

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"Do not take God's name in vain" -- I think most readers here can read that and understand it.

BobRyan said:

Vehicle in this parable-case is "human". I think we all see that.

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How can that be?

BobRyan said:

"Do not take God's name in vain" -- I think most readers here can read that and understand it.

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Preaching to yourself again. Unless you're really accusing me of doing that.

listed said:

I don't think you understand how the mind works. The human mind doesn't register the negative in a statement. It doesn't hear do not, it hears do.

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"Do not take God's name in vain" -- I think most readers here can read that and understand it.

listed said:

Preaching to yourself again. Unless you're really accusing me of doing that.

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I find your logic "illusive"

the point remains.

BobRyan said:

"Do not take God's name in vain" -- I think most readers here can read that and understand it.



I find your logic "illusive"

the point remains.

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I know and you don't have a valid point.

listed said:

You've introduced something not said or implied.

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The Law is not sin, but rather it reveals what sin is, which is the transgression of the Law, so freeing us from sin does not free us from the Law, but rather it free us from living in transgression of the Law so that we can be free to live for God in accordance with His Law. The analogy didn't make this distinction, so it was insufficient.

listed said:

Does the schoolmaster still have jurisdiction?

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That depends on whether someone needs a remedial education.

listed said:

No, Galatians 5:18.

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Everything listed in Galatians 5:19-23 is being works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law, while everything listed as being fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with the Law, so it doesn't make any sense to interpret Galatians 5:18 as referring to us not being under God's Law, especially when the Spirit has the role of leading us in obedience to God's Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27) but rather it the law that stirs up the works of the flesh that are against the Spirit that we are not under when we are led by the Spirit. Do you really think that Father was act against His Spirit when he gave the Law and the Spirit is in disagreement with the Father?

1stcenturylady said:

No, I understand the "pink bunny" scenario. God didn't do away with the law, He did away with the NEED for it. In other words, He did away with the sin in our flesh the law revealed by killing sin in our flesh with fire - the baptism of the Holy Spirit. That is why there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, WHO DO NOT WALK AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.


Romans 6:1-4 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

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While the Law certainly reveals our sin, it also reveals how to walk in God's ways according to His attributes: holiness, righteousness, goodness, justice, mercy, faithfulness, and other fruits of the Spirit, which are all still important. Do you really think that God did away with the need to obey what He has commanded? Why would God give commands that He would need to free us from obeying? Repentance from doing what God has revealed to be sin is just as important in the NT as it is the OT.

Romans 8:8-9 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

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In Romans 8:7, it says that those who have a mind set on the flesh refuse to submit to God's Law.

1stcenturylady said:

No, I understand the "pink bunny" scenario. God didn't do away with the law, He did away with the NEED for it. In other words, He did away with the sin in our flesh the law revealed by killing sin in our flesh with fire - the baptism of the Holy Spirit. That is why there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, WHO DO NOT WALK AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

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Jeremiah 31:31-33; Luke 22:20

Soyeong said:

The Law is not sin, but rather it reveals what sin is, which is the transgression of the Law, so freeing us from sin does not free us from the Law, but rather it free us from living in transgression of the Law so that we can be free to live for God in accordance with His Law. The analogy didn't make this distinction, so it was insufficient.

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Where have I ever said the Law (ten commandments) is sin? The analogy made it clear the speed limit law didn't apply because there was no vehicle. You introduced the acquisition of another to enforce the speed limit.

That depends on whether someone needs a remedial education.

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Responding to this properly only creates problems because of the rules.

Everything listed in Galatians 5:19-23 is being works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law, while everything listed as being fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with the Law, so it doesn't make any sense to interpret Galatians 5:18 as referring to us not being under God's Law, especially when the Spirit has the role of leading us in obedience to God's Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27) but rather it the law that stirs up the works of the flesh that are against the Spirit that we are not under when we are led by the Spirit. Do you really think that Father was act against His Spirit when he gave the Law and the Spirit is in disagreement with the Father?

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The problem here is you imply the Law of God is exclusively the ten commandments. That simply isn't true as Genesis 26:5 and Deuteronomy 5:1-5 prove. I agree with Doveaman on this. The law of God is love, nothing less and nothing more. The body of flesh isn't subject to the law. See Romans 8

Soyeong said:

While the Law certainly reveals our sin, it also reveals how to walk in God's ways according to His attributes: holiness, righteousness, goodness, justice, mercy, faithfulness, and other fruits of the Spirit, which are all still important. Do you really think that God did away with the need to obey what He has commanded? Why would God give commands that He would need to free us from obeying? Repentance from doing what God has revealed to be sin is just as important in the NT as it is the OT.



In Romans 8:7, it says that those who have a mind set on the flesh refuse to submit to God's Law.

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The law only reveals how to be self righteous.

This law began in the first garden, with a commandment.

1stcenturylady said:

It is not the Ten Commandments that IS the law of sin and death, it is holy. I've been wrong before by calling it such. But it revealed in us our sinful nature which brings death. What has changed is us. What has changed is our nature. We are dead to sin, due to the baptism of fire of the Holy Spirit, killing sin in us, and making us naturally righteous, whereas we no longer need a schoolmaster. By walking in the Spirit we no longer fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

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Actually God's Word says this...

Rom 3:20,
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Rom 6:23,
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 John 3:4,
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

2Co 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written and engraved in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

God's Law (10 commandments) shows us what sin is and gives us a knowledge of sin, which leads us to Christ the Savior of sin. If there was no Law we would not know what sin is because sin is the transgression of God's Law. If we do not know what sin is we will feel no need of a Savior because we will not know that we are sinners and the wages of sin is death. If we have no Savior we have no salvation because we have not been saved from our sins. If we have no salvation we are lost and are in danger of the Judgement that will judge each of us inthe last days. God's Law is indeed Holy, just and good because it shows us who we are without Jesus and leads us to our Savior. God's Law is the standard of all righteousness (Ps 119:172). It is the Law of Sin and Death; the knowledge of good and evil.

James says if we break one of God's commandments we stand before God as if we have broken all of them and are guilty before God for our sins (James 2:8-12) In times of ignorance God winks at but when a knowledge of the truth has come calls all man to repentance (Acts 17:30) The 7th Day Sabbath is one of God's 10 commandments (Ex 20:8-11). If we knowingly and willfully break it just like we break any of the other commandments of God we commit sin and are in danger of the judgement. Many do it out of ignorance because they do not know that they have been tricked into following man made traditions (Sunday worship) over the Word of God. There is not one scripture in God's Word telling us that Sunday is a Holy day and we should worship God on this day.

Do we follow the teaching and traditions of man or the Word of God? Jesus says if we follow the traditions of man over the commandments of God we are not following him (Matt 15:3-9). The Sabbath was made for mankind as a memorial of creation. God made it a Holy day for His people to spend with Him and Jesus is the Lord of this day who has commanded us to keep this day Holy (Mark 2:27; Gen 2:1-3; Mark 2:28; Ex 20:8-11)

Who do we obey God or Man? If you love Jesus you will keep His commandments (John 14:15)

In Christ always

1stcenturylady said:

Yes, Paul said all that to show us the difference between the law that revealed our sin, to being now dead to sin through walking in the Spirit, and being now freed from the law of sin and death. This is something those so focused on the law, like those who are Messianic or SDA, do not grasp.

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False accusations about others - is not a sign of sinlessness.

LoveGodsWord said:

It is the Law of Sin and Death; the knowledge of good and evil.

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When God asked his first three questions, it was to this same end, but it was not about the fruit on the tree, it was the tree, just as it is the whole soul, and not part of it.

It is inherent in the commandment from the view of knowledge (which for the soul is the tree in the midst of the garden), which in the end we think we can add to ourselves by.

It always comes back to the soul as where the issue of blood comes out of, which what will a man give for it other than it.

1stcenturylady said:

It is not the Ten Commandments that IS the law of sin and death, it is holy. I've been wrong before by calling it such. But it revealed in us our sinful nature

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(As Paul said "I die daily" 1Cor 15 and as Christ said "take up your cross daily and follow me".

While some of the accusations you make on this thread cannot be supported in actual fact -- the OP is correct in making the statement above.