Noah's Ark

HighCherub · Aug 9, 2017

KWCrazy said:
Please show where on this planet such a regional flood could happen. Keep in mind, the water has to cover mountains and there can be no run-off to the sea. Once the water found the sea it could only rise at sea levels. The "regional" claim is clueless. It is destroyed by a simple glance at a topographical map.

So it's possible for rain to flood the Earth above the mountains, but impossible for it to be contained in a region?
God killed all life on the other side of the planet in His wrath against man?

AV1611VET · Aug 9, 2017

DamianWarS said:
Now your avoiding. The OP is a straw man aimed at making young earth advocates seem ridiculous and is insulting to their intelligence; it's cheap and degrading. I'm just calling you on out on it.

I'm not going to dignify this with a response.

AV1611VET · Aug 9, 2017

HighCherub said:
So it's possible for rain to flood the Earth above the mountains, but impossible for it to be contained in a region?

A region that Noah just happened to live in ... right?

A local flood makes a mockery of Noah.

HighCherub · Aug 9, 2017

AV1611VET said:
A local flood makes a mockery of Noah.

No it doesn't.

And I still stand by David's account of the Flood- I don't believe he saw it the way you do.

Yonny Costopoulis · Aug 9, 2017

KWCrazy said:
Since when did "impossible" ever stop God?

Correct. But I did not said God could not build. If God helped then is possible but man alone is impossible. Man hours to build Ken Ham ark using modern tools and just making building, not boat, is not possible to think eight people could do without divine help.

Yonny Costopoulis · Aug 9, 2017

KWCrazy said:
Please show where on this planet such a regional flood could happen. Keep in mind, the water has to cover mountains and there can be no run-off to the sea. Once the water found the sea it could only rise at sea levels. The "regional" claim is clueless. It is destroyed by a simple glance at a topographical map.

You explain how could be regional flood-

KWCrazy said:
Since when did "impossible" ever stop God?

KWCrazy · Aug 9, 2017

AV1611VET said:

Oh, my bad.
Please carry on.

KWCrazy · Aug 9, 2017

Yonny Costopoulis said:
You explain how could be regional flood-

Not my argument. I said it's not possible to be a regional flood.

KWCrazy · Aug 9, 2017

HighCherub said:
So it's possible for rain to flood the Earth above the mountains, but impossible for it to be contained in a region?

Show me the containment barriers. Which mountain ranges encircle an area that could be flooded as described?

Yonny Costopoulis · Aug 9, 2017

KWCrazy said:
Not my argument. I said it's not possible to be a regional flood.

But what if God desired it to be regional flood. Then would be regional flood correct?

KWCrazy said:
Show me the containment barriers. Which mountain ranges encircle an area that could be flooded as described?

Couldn't God hold back water? He does sometimes do this already.

Aman777 · Aug 9, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Where did Noah build the Ark?

Be specific please.

I say he built it in what is now New Jersey.

Be prepared to defend your position.

Noah's Ark was built of gopher wood which is NOT found on planet Earth. No wood on our Earth could possibly be used since the 450 foot Ark would sink IF it could be held together long enough to float. Noah's Ark was built on Adam's Earth, which was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6. Adam's Earth is at the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey. It was "clean dissolved" in the deluge. Isa 24:19 That is God's Truth Scripturally.

KWCrazy · Aug 9, 2017

Yonny Costopoulis said:
But what if God desired it to be regional flood. Then would be regional flood correct?

Why would God say the waters covered the whole earth if they did not? Your argument is nonsense. You're saying the flood was regional because God decided to stack water on itself but then lie and say it was a global flood that killed everything which had in it the breath of life other than those on the ark.

Wouldn't it make more sense for God to do what He said He did? The special pleading to placate the old earth/ evolution claims make no sense whatever.

KWCrazy · Aug 9, 2017

Aman777 said:
Noah's Ark was built of gopher wood which is NOT found on planet Earth.

We don't know the reference so we can't say whether it was a tree that didn't survive the flood, or it was another name for oak, pine, maple etc. We cannot logically say it doesn't exist on earth without knowing exactly what it is.

No wood on our Earth could possibly be used since the 450 foot Ark would sink IF it could be held together long enough to float.

Any wood could work if the beam was strong enough. All the old sailing ships were made of wood. Wood swells when it is in water, which seals up miniature gaps and makes for a solid seaworthy structure.

Noah's Ark was built on Adam's Earth, which was totally destroyed in the flood.

What was destroyed? Air breathing creatures, dwellings probably. Not the rocks, and apparently not all the trees. The seeds for the grasses would have survived. Noah's world would have been green and fresh.

Adam's Earth is at the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey.

Strange place for an earth, dont'cha think?

It was "clean dissolved" in the deluge. Isa 24:19 That is God's Truth Scripturally.

This is Aman's truth. God's word disagrees.

Aman777 · Aug 9, 2017

KWCrazy said:
Aman:>>Noah's Ark was built on Adam's Earth, which was totally destroyed in the flood.

*** What was destroyed? Air breathing creatures, dwellings probably. Not the rocks, and apparently not all the trees. The seeds for the grasses would have survived. Noah's world would have been green and fresh.

Not so, according to this verse which the Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe:

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally, utterly)

Scripture is speaking of a world/universe which then was (past tense) perishing in a flood. This is because it destroys the Scoffers views on the False Theory of Evolution.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, (present tense) by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire.

Conclusion: The Scoffers of the last days includes atheists, agnostics and all unbelievers. In the last days, they will NOT believe that Adam's world/firmament/universe was totally destroyed in the flood...AND...they also do not believe that the present Cosmos will be burned. Amen?

Adam's Earth is at the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey.

*** Strange place for an earth, dont'cha think?

Adam's entire Earth/soil/ground was "clean dissolved" Isaiah 24:19 in Lake Van, Turkey in the mountains of Ararat. (Gen 8:4) Whatever is left of his Earth is at the bottom of the Lake, including Adam's solid firmament, which sank in the Lake, releasing the 450 ft Ark into our world/Cosmos.

It was "clean dissolved" in the deluge. Isa 24:19 That is God's Truth Scripturally.

*** This is Aman's truth. God's word disagrees.

Not so and everyone will see the difference unless you can post supporting Scripture for your view. God Bless you

KWCrazy · Aug 9, 2017

Aman777 said:
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally, utterly)

The world means all the inhabitants of the world. Rocks don't perish. It's saying the same thing as Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 (Gen. 6:3–5); Luke 17:26; (1 Pet. 3:20) For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

The world died. The planet lived.

Conclusion: The Scoffers of the last days includes atheists, agnostics and all unbelievers.

Agreed. In the last days they will doubt the Scriptures. The children of God will teach that the creation of man never happened; that the great flood never happened; that death is a consequence of nature and not a consequence of sin and that the word of God is simply writings penned by man. All that happens daily in this forum.

The ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. It didn't come from another world or some cosmic entity. Genesis 8:
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.
5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.
6 After forty days Noah opened a window he had made in the ark

Nothing is said about the world dissolving and falling into a lake. Sorry.

Aman777 · Aug 9, 2017

KWCrazy said:
Agreed. In the last days they will doubt the Scriptures. The children of God will teach that the creation of man never happened; that the great flood never happened; that death is a consequence of nature and not a consequence of sin and that the word of God is simply writings penned by man. All that happens daily in this forum.

Amen.

*** The ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. It didn't come from another world or some cosmic entity. Genesis 8:

Actually, the Ark came to rest UPON the mountains of Ararat to be specific. Gen 8:4 The Ark did NOT rest on the mountains but upon the mountains. Lake Van is a mile high Lake in the mountains of Ararat. The Ark was some 5k feet above sea level while in the Lake upon the mountains of Ararat.

*** 3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.

Upon the waters of Lake Van which are a mile in elevation. Notice the date. It was on the 150th Day (5 months) since the rain began. Gen 7:11 The Ark was ALSO above the mountains on Adam's Earth on the SAME 150th Day (5 months) since the rain began. Gen 7:20-24 Can you explain HOW this could be true?

*** 5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.
6 After forty days Noah opened a window he had made in the ark

The Ark had a single window in the top. Noah didn't open the window until December 10th. IF he had opened the window on July 17th, he could have seen the tops of the mountains Gen 6:16 months before.

*** Nothing is said about the world dissolving and falling into a lake. Sorry.

That is the SNARE or trap which God set with the flood to expose the all knowing Scoffers/scientists of the last days. Isa 24:18 When they come up out of the pit to be judged, their sins of offending little children who believe in Jesus, with the made up lies of the ToE, will catch them and condemn them to a harsher punishment for their evil deeds. Mat 18:6

Soon, Science will discover the bottom half of Adam's firmament which protected his Earth from the water, which totally surrounded it. Genesis 1:6-7 The whole world will realize that all of man's knowledge is not to be compared with God's unchangeable Truth. God Bless you

Beaker · Aug 9, 2017

Yonny Costopoulis said:
Noah did not build ark. Is story. Ken Ham showed is impossible for eight peoples to make giant boat and impossible for eight peoples to look after too many animals. So ark never made in NJ by Noah.

Noah did NOT build the ark ALONE nor with just his sons.EL Shaddai was with him and with God, EVERYTHING is possible

Yonny Costopoulis · Aug 20, 2017

KWCrazy said:
We don't know the reference so we can't say whether it was a tree that didn't survive the flood, or it was another name for oak, pine, maple etc. We cannot logically say it doesn't exist on earth without knowing exactly what it is.

Any wood could work if the beam was strong enough. All the old sailing ships were made of wood. Wood swells when it is in water, which seals up miniature gaps and makes for a solid seaworthy structure.

What was destroyed? Air breathing creatures, dwellings probably. Not the rocks, and apparently not all the trees. The seeds for the grasses would have survived. Noah's world would have been green and fresh.

Strange place for an earth, dont'cha think?

This is Aman's truth. God's word disagrees.

What carnivores eat when get off ark?

Aman777 · Aug 20, 2017

Yonny Costopoulis said:
What carnivores eat when get off ark?

They ate the animals which had been on Earth for Billions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived 11k years ago in the mountains of Ararat. History agrees. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Yonny Costopoulis · Aug 20, 2017

Aman777 said:
They ate the animals which had been on Earth for Billions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived 11k years ago in the mountains of Ararat. History agrees. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

That my opinion also. Wondering what creationist view on Carnivore feeding after ark land.

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