Trinity discussion with St Worm2

gadar perets said:

Since I believe NJ comes down at the beginning of the Millennium, I would say after that, but still near the beginning of the Millennium.

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But that is not what is reflected in god's word. Reading revelation 20 first and before revelation 22 we have the 1000 year reign prior to the new Jerusalem
Further...when the new Jerusalem comes down, all those whose names are not found have already been cast into the lake of fire and with it death and hades

And the 1000 year reign is a temporal peace while Satan is bound. But when Satan is again Let loose there will be open rebellion from some resulting in death.

These who die will have to wait to be resurrected and jay she'd after the 1000 year reign is complete

unbelievable1 said:

What did the levites receive?

There is a reason I am asking you this

And I am wondering if you'll make the connection since those in Christ are a priestly people and have an inheritance

Just not in the temporal things of the world

You might want to review revelation 14 regarding the 12 tribes of Israel

Notice Levi is listed in and alongside his brothers

Is it because he now has an inheritance with his brothers in the things of this world ?


Or is it because his brothers also now have an inheritance in the lord

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If you are referring to the elect Levites that are part of the 144,000, they have an inheritance "in the lord", but they were not among the Levites that were blinded just as Paul was not among the Benjamites that were blinded.

gadar perets said:

A simple, "My apology for giving you no reference or the wrong reference" would have sufficed.

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I would have thought you knew where I was pulling the scriptures from and would have understood that this time when he opens up a fountain of cleanliness and removes sin and false prophets in one day comes after a time of tribulation to finish transgression
And with that I would have thought you would have understood Daniels prophecy regarding the violent men of the covenant who do not know their god

I would have thought you would understand that there is a big difference receiving by power or might than by his spirit

gadar perets said:

If you are referring to the elect Levites that are part of the 144,000, they have an inheritance "in the lord", but they were not among the Levites that were blinded just as Paul was not among the Benjamites that were blinded.

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What do you think they are all doing together as one people? Preaching land?
Or preaching the lord?

unbelievable1 said:

But that is not what is reflected in god's word. Reading revelation 20 first and before revelation 22 we have the 1000 year reign prior to the new Jerusalem
Further...when the new Jerusalem comes down, all those whose names are not found have already been cast into the lake of fire and with it death and hades

And the 1000 year reign is a temporal peace while Satan is bound. But when Satan is again Let loose there will be open rebellion from some resulting in death.

These who die will have to wait to be resurrected and jay she'd after the 1000 year reign is complete

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The new heaven and new earth are figurative and start at the beginning of the Millennium when Messiah Yeshua begins to rule on earth. You err by reading them as though they are in chronological order. Revelation 20:7-15 is a parenthesis which should follow Rev 22.

gadar perets said:

After.

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Okay. When were they converted

Before or after the 1000 year millennium

gadar perets said:

The new heaven and new earth are figurative and start at the beginning of the Millennium when Messiah Yeshua begins to rule on earth. You err by reading them as though they are in chronological order. Revelation 20:7-15 is a parenthesis which should follow Rev 22.

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So you having a white wedding garment are already celebrating the wedding supper of the lamb?

So those in heaven, and the souls of those under the altar, are content having received what they are waiting for already

unbelievable1 said:

I would have thought you knew where I was pulling the scriptures from and would have understood that this time when he opens up a fountain of cleanliness and removes sin and false prophets in one day comes after a time of tribulation to finish transgression
And with that I would have thought you would have understood Daniels prophecy regarding the violent men of the covenant who do not know their god

I would have thought you would understand that there is a big difference receiving by power or might than by his spirit

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God resists the proud, but gives grace unto the humble.

unbelievable1 said:

What do you think they are all doing together as one people? Preaching land?
Or preaching the lord?

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When Rev 14 takes place, the 144,000 are believers and blinded Israel are unbelievers.

unbelievable1 said:

Okay. When were they converted

Before or after the 1000 year millennium

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Blinded Israel will be converted at the beginning of the Millennium and after Yeshua returns.

The new Heaven and the new earth do not start at the 1000 year reign because there's still suffering and death and mourning and pain

With your comment please then expound Zechariah 13 since no one (even now at this very moment) since we are celebrating the new Heaven and the new earth should be saying "the lord says"

I can understand if we were indeed in the 1000 year reign after the false prophet and the beast are cast into the lake of fire and Satan is bound why a parent would be offended by their child saying the lord said since at that time the knowledge of the lord will cover the earth as the waters of the seas and all wil say (or should say) come let us go up to the mountain of the lord, he will teach us his ways

But sin and false prophets are still in the world

Furthermore as it written it is the spirit who convicts the world of sin

And while he is in the world he continues to convict the world of sin

And according to 2thesselonians2 it is after he is taken out of the way that sin will have free reign

When was the Holy Spirit taken out of the way?

unbelievable1 said:

So you having a white wedding garment are already celebrating the wedding supper of the lamb?

So those in heaven, and the souls of those under the altar, are content having received what they are waiting for already

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If Yeshua comes down at the beginning of the Millennium, but NJ comes down at the end, then you have Yeshua waiting 1,000 years for his bride to come?

gadar perets said:

Blinded Israel will be converted at the beginning of the Millennium and after Yeshua returns.

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You mean those who are able to survive the tribulation will be converted to the revelation of the truth of the gospel and will enter into the 1000 year reign?

gadar perets said:

If Yeshua comes down at the beginning of the Millennium, but NJ comes down at the end, then you have Yeshua waiting 1,000 years for his bride to come?

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No you don't
As those who have a part in the first resurrection are his bride and will reign with him 1000 years

All things are being prepared for the final banquet when, unlike right now, he will physically dwell with us (where there will be neither sun or moon) and he will physically wipe away ever tear

He is going to roll everything up in his garment

Heaven and earth will pass but he never will

gadar perets said:

God resists the proud, but gives grace unto the humble.

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You're supposed to by the new covenant know his word

He moved his word inwardly he wrote his word in our hearts and in our minds

And you call that being proud as in an arrogant way?

unbelievable1 said:

The new Heaven and the new earth do not start at the 1000 year reign because there's still suffering and death and mourning and pain

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Correct. Death will not cease until the end of the Millennium. As Isaiah 65:17-20 show, there will still be death in the new heavens and new earth.

With your comment please then expound Zechariah 13 since no one (even now at this very moment) since we are celebrating the new Heaven and the new earth should be saying "the lord says"

I can understand if we were indeed in the 1000 year reign after the false prophet and the beast are cat into the lake of fire and Satan is bound why a parent would be offended by their child saying the lord said since at that time the knowledge of the lord will cover the earth as the waters of the seas

But now sin and false prophets are still in the world

Furthermore as it written it is the spirit who convicts the world of sin

And while he is in the world he continues to convict the world of sin

And according to 2thesselonians2 it is after he is taken out of the world that sin will have free reign

When was the Holy Spirit taken out of the world?,

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I have no idea what you are trying to say. You do not teach clearly, but give little snippets instead of expounding.

Zechariah 13:1 takes place after Yeshua returns and after the Jews look upon him who they pierced (Zechariah 12:10).

gadar perets said:

Correct. Death will not cease until the end of the Millennium. As Isaiah 65:17-20 show, there will still be death in the new heavens and new earth.


I have no idea what you are trying to say. You do not teach clearly, but give little snippets instead of expounding.

Zechariah 13:1 takes place after Yeshua returns and after the Jews look upon him who they pierced (Zechariah 12:10).

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Death and hades are cast into the lake of fire after the great judgement

And you are saying that the new Heaven and the new earth will be inhabited still by those who cause sin?

Even though it is said clearly that no one who causes sin will ever enter its gates again

Yet there are no gates since Jerusalem will be a city without walls

which is it. We are currently in the millennium/new heavens new earth with death stil unconquered

But according to the word only those who have a part in the first resurrection are those who have a part in the 1000 year reign are

We have saints in heaven martyred crying out how long and all have the same white garment symbolic of those who have been washed and made clean in the blood of the lamb

Then we have depicted in revelation 20 the end of the seven year tribulation (has that, according to you, taken place also) and the saints who had a part in the first resurrection are raised and reign during this time (judges)

The false prophet and the beast are cast into the lake of fire. We are also told that the rest of the dead are not raised until after the 1000 year reign

We have Satan bound 1000 years
If this is the millennium than Satan has no power and can not give his power to the beast

Is this what you are saying

Then there is no antichrist and no false prophet since we skipped over that part and are now celebrating the temporal period of peace

unbelievable1 said:

No you don't
As those who have a part in the first resurrection are his bride and will reign with him 1000 years

All things are being prepared for the final banquet when, unlike right now, he will physically dwell with us (where there will be neither sun or moon) and he will physically wipe away ever tear

He is going to roll everything up in his garment

Heaven and earth will pass but he never will

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Heaven and earth were already rolled up as a scroll (departed) in Revelation 6:14 (obviously figurative as are the new heavens and new earth.

Is New Jerusalem a literal city or symbolic of the "church"? The city is called, "the bride, the Lambs wife." So is the "church". Does he have two wives? When he comes, he will come with his bride, New Jerusalem, a symbol of all believers. If it is a literal city, it will be a 1,400 mile cube.

The bride is symbolic of those who have been washed and made clean. Those who have heard the good news and believed. He had one bride but two ministries. And currently it is still the one ministry of the lamb

The day of wrath has not yet come

It is why the gospel is preached now

A false Christ is coming and the work of god right now is to preach the gospel that men might believe and be reconciled to god now

gadar perets said:

Heaven and earth were already rolled up as a scroll (departed) in Revelation 6:14 (obviously figurative as are the new heavens and new earth.

Is New Jerusalem a literal city or symbolic of the "church"? The city is called, "the bride, the Lambs wife." So is the "church". Does he have two wives? When he comes, he will come with his bride, New Jerusalem, a symbol of all believers. If it is a literal city, it will be a 1,400 mile cube.

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Yes a literal city. Without walls
(Zechariah 2)