Bringing sinless Jesus from the dead - explanation?

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Jesus wasn't the first one from the dead to come back to life. Lazarus for example was one.
But Jesus was sinless when crucified and then God brought Jesus back from the dead.
In what way does the bringing back from the dead a sinless person save everyone who believes it. What is the explanation behind it all? What is the mechanics of it?

I can't quite grasp the meaning of it. How does believing in a sinless person to resurrect can change me, can save me? What's the logic behind it all? Does it have any logic, or faith is without logic?
 

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Jesus wasn't the first one from the dead to come back to life. Lazarus for example was one.
But Jesus was sinless when crucified and then God brought Jesus back from the dead.
In what way does the bringing back from the dead a sinless person save everyone who believes it. What is the explanation behind it all? What is the mechanics of it?

I can't quite grasp the meaning of it. How does believing in a sinless person to resurrect can change me, can save me? What's the logic behind it all? Does it have any logic, or faith is without logic?

It was not mere sinlessness that Jesus brings to my salvation, it is also His Divinity, that counts as providing the necessary power.
 
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It was not mere sinlessness that Jesus brings to my salvation, it is also His Divinity, that counts as providing the necessary power.
But he being God-man must have an effect on human kind. How does it work? I believe for instance, but I don't quite understand how the death and resurrection of God-man work. What is the mechanics behind it. How are we saved? What is the mechanics of the belief? I don't know how the belief works.
 
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Think of death as a dark prison cell. The Savior died for us so He could destroy it from the inside out.
But as an example. I see some people that are blessed and some people that are, well, cursed. I for instance "am in a position" that I wouldn't like to be and didn't chose to be, and even less, it seems, I can't do anything to change it. I would like to be in a better position, and I know that christianity doesn't defend fatalism, but believing in the gospel hasn't changed anything visible. I do not seem to be anything more or anything less than I was before. Except that now I read the Bible. Does one have to suffer awful things in life, while I see people blessed by God and Jesus, literally, expressively and manifestly, and another in the gutter. What kind of God is this?
 
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Jesus wasn't the first one from the dead to come back to life. Lazarus for example was one.
But Jesus was sinless when crucified and then God brought Jesus back from the dead.
In what way does the bringing back from the dead a sinless person save everyone who believes it. What is the explanation behind it all? What is the mechanics of it?

I can't quite grasp the meaning of it. How does believing in a sinless person to resurrect can change me, can save me? What's the logic behind it all? Does it have any logic, or faith is without logic?
I'll keep it simple. The Greek actually says that Jesus' death was over "sin". It is a covering. Like the blood of the Levitical offering sprinkled on the ark covering the things of man that are inside that ark.

Because of the "sin" of Adam all of mankind became subjected to death(not referring to physical death although that is a part of it) and a ransom for our release was demanded by death(Satan's plan). Death reigned from Adam until Moses when the Levitical offering set the things of death aside.

The ransom payment was the death of Jesus. God is then appeased and the ransom fully paid. We then were reconciled(exchanged like money) death for life(God's plan). It is for freedom that we have been set free.

Paul explains that because mankind was then declared as being right(rightified), there was no longer a reason for Jesus to remain with the dead and was raised the third day!

The fallen state of man is why Jesus had to die. But, the covering was so efficacious in making us right that He Himself was raised!

That is just so awesome!
 
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But as an example. I see some people that are blessed and some people that are, well, cursed. I for instance "am in a position" that I wouldn't like to be and didn't chose to be, and even less, it seems, I can't do anything to change it. I would like to be in a better position, and I know that christianity doesn't defend fatalism, but believing in the gospel hasn't changed anything visible. I do not seem to be anything more or anything less than I was before. Except that now I read the Bible. Does one have to suffer awful things in life, while I see people blessed by God and Jesus, literally, expressively and manifestly, and another in the gutter. What kind of God is this?
Being grateful to God will make a huge difference. Think of at least ten things a day that you are grateful for, and give thanks to God. The blessings are here, but you must be conscious of them, and give God thanks. There is so much love and joy that you will reap in your soul, you can't contain it.
 
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Because of the "sin" of Adam all of mankind became subjected to death(not referring to physical death although that is a part of it) and a ransom for our release was demanded by death(Satan's plan).
What was quite Satan's plan?
 
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Being grateful to God will make a huge difference. Think of at least ten things a day that you are grateful for, and give thanks to God. The blessings are here, but you must be conscious of them, and give God thanks. There is so much love and joy that you will reap in your soul, you can't contain it.
Man, I'm full of wrath. I'm revolted with my current situation of life and health. It's hard to be thankful.
 
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But he being God-man must have an effect on human kind. How does it work? I believe for instance, but I don't quite understand how the death and resurrection of God-man work. What is the mechanics behind it.

Sin against an infinite God must be paid infinitely. That is why payment for our sin must be infinite. There are only two options for infinite payment. Either a finite creature (man) must pay for his sin for an infinite amount of time, or an infinite Being (Jesus) must pay for it once, for all men for all time. There are no other options. A sin against an infinitely holy God requires an equally infinite satisfaction as payment, and even an eternity in hell will not dissipate God’s infinite, righteous wrath against sin. Only a divine Being could withstand the infinite wrath of a holy God against our sin. It requires an equally infinite Being as a substitute for mankind to satisfy God’s wrath. Jesus, as the God-man, is the only possible Savior.

How are we saved? What is the mechanics of the belief? I don't know how the belief works.

Question: "How can I be saved?"

Answer:
This simple, yet profound, question is the most important question that can be asked. "How can I be saved?" deals with where we will spend eternity after our lives in this world are over. There is no more important issue than our eternal destiny. Thankfully, the Bible is abundantly clear on how a person can be saved. The Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” (Acts 16:30). Paul and Silas responded, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31).

How can I be saved? Why do I need to be saved?
We are all infected with sin (Romans 3:23). We are born with sin (Psalm 51:5), and we all personally choose to sin (Ecclesiastes 7:20; 1 John 1:8). Sin is what makes us unsaved. Sin is what separates us from God. Sin is what has us on the path to eternal destruction.

How can I be saved? Saved from what?
Because of our sin, we all deserve death (Romans 6:23). While the physical consequence of sin is physical death, that is not the only kind of death that results from sin. All sin is ultimately committed against an eternal and infinite God (Psalm 51:4). Because of that, the just penalty for our sin is also eternal and infinite. What we need to be saved from is eternal destruction (Matthew 25:46; Revelation 20:15).

How can I be saved? How did God provide salvation?
Because the just penalty for sin is infinite and eternal, only God could pay the penalty, because only He is infinite and eternal. But God, in His divine nature, could not die. So God became a human being in the person of Jesus Christ. God took on human flesh, lived among us, and taught us. When the people rejected Him and His message, and sought to kill Him, He willingly sacrificed Himself for us, allowing Himself to be crucified (John 10:15). Because Jesus Christ was human, He could die; and because Jesus Christ was God, His death had an eternal and infinite value. Jesus’ death on the cross was the perfect and complete payment for our sin (1 John 2:2). He took the consequences we deserved. Jesus’ resurrection from the dead demonstrated that His death was indeed the perfectly sufficient sacrifice for sin.

How can I be saved? What do I need to do?
“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). God has already done all of the work. All you must do is receive, in faith, the salvation God offers (Ephesians 2:8-9). Fully trust in Jesus alone as the payment for your sins. Believe in Him, and you will not perish (John 3:16). God is offering you salvation as a gift. All you have to do is accept it. Jesus is the way of salvation (John 14:6). If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by openly declaring your faith that you are saved. (Romans 10:9-10)

www.gotquestions.org/how-can-I-be-saved.html
 
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But he being God-man must have an effect on human kind. How does it work? I believe for instance, but I don't quite understand how the death and resurrection of God-man work. What is the mechanics behind it. How are we saved? What is the mechanics of the belief? I don't know how the belief works.

Uh . . . I don't think its something we mortals can understand in the way your are trying to understand it.
 
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Jesus wasn't the first one from the dead to come back to life. Lazarus for example was one.
But Jesus was sinless when crucified and then God brought Jesus back from the dead.
In what way does the bringing back from the dead a sinless person save everyone who believes it. What is the explanation behind it all? What is the mechanics of it?

I can't quite grasp the meaning of it. How does believing in a sinless person to resurrect can change me, can save me? What's the logic behind it all? Does it have any logic, or faith is without logic?

The only way to cancel a a debt is to pay it. So if you had a friend who owed a large sum of money that they couldn't pay and you wanted to help them out, then the only way for you to cancel their debt would be to pay it for them in their place, and the same is essentially true if you were the one that your friend owed the money to. The wages of sin is death, and the only way for God to forgive our debt would be for God to pay our debt for us in our place, so Jesus would need to die in our place in order to forgive our debt. However, if Jesus had sinned, then he would have his own debt to pay, and would be in position to pay our debt. So our debt or the charges against us were nailed to his cross and he died in our place to pay our debt.

There are many verses that speak of the Mosaic Covenant as a marriage between God and Israel, such as with Israel's unfaithfulness being described as adultery or God saying that he was husband to her. God continually called Israel to repent and turn back to Him, but her unfaithfulness eventually reached the point where God actually wrote the northern Kingdom a certificate of divorce, yet God never stopped calling for her to return to Him (Jeremiah 3:1-14). It was a mystery of how God would accomplish this because according to Deuteronomy 24:1-4, a wife was not permitted to return to her first husband after she had been with another. The only way that she could be released from the defilement of her adultery of the law of her husband was for the first marriage contract to be dissolved through the death of her husband, so Jesus would need to die in order for Israel to become reconciled and remarried to him. This is the point that Paul was getting at in Romans 7:1-4, where we have died to the law of our husband through the death of Christ that we might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. So Jesus gave himself to pay or sin debt or redeem us from all Lawlessness and be resurrected in order to purify for himself a people for his own possession aka his hunnybun, his sugarplum, his endearing wife, who are zealous for doing good works (Titus 2:14).

Faith always has logic behind it or else it is not faith.
 
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But as an example. I see some people that are blessed and some people that are, well, cursed. I for instance "am in a position" that I wouldn't like to be and didn't chose to be, and even less, it seems, I can't do anything to change it. I would like to be in a better position, and I know that christianity doesn't defend fatalism, but believing in the gospel hasn't changed anything visible. I do not seem to be anything more or anything less than I was before. Except that now I read the Bible. Does one have to suffer awful things in life, while I see people blessed by God and Jesus, literally, expressively and manifestly, and another in the gutter. What kind of God is this?

Question: "What does the Bible say about suffering?"

Answer:
Of all the challenges thrown at Christianity in modern times, perhaps the most difficult is explaining the problem of suffering. How can a loving God allow suffering to continue in the world which He created? For those who have endured massive suffering themselves, this is much more than a philosophical issue, but a deep-seated personal and emotional one. How does the Bible address this issue? Does the Bible give us any examples of suffering and some indicators on how to deal with it?

The Bible is startlingly realistic when it comes to the problem of endured suffering. For one thing, the Bible devotes an entire book to dealing with the problem. This book concerns a man named Job. It begins with a scene in heaven which provides the reader with the background of Job’s suffering. Job suffers because God contested with Satan. As far as we know, this was never known by Job or any of his friends. It is therefore not surprising that they all struggle to explain Job’s suffering from the perspective of their ignorance, until Job finally rests in nothing but the faithfulness of God and the hope of His redemption. Neither Job nor his friends understood at the time the reasons for his suffering. In fact, when Job is finally confronted by the Lord, Job is silent. Job’s silent response does not in any way trivialize the intense pain and loss he had so patiently endured. Rather, it underscores the importance of trusting God’s purposes in the midst of suffering, even when we don’t know what those purposes are. Suffering, like all other human experiences, is directed by the sovereign wisdom of God. In the end, we learn that we may never know the specific reason for our suffering, but we must trust in our sovereign God. That is the real answer to suffering.

Another example of suffering in the Bible is Joseph’s story in the book of Genesis. Joseph was sold into slavery by his own brothers. In Egypt, he was indicted on false charges and thrown into prison. As a result of Joseph’s suffering and endurance, by God’s grace and power, Joseph is later promoted to governor of Egypt, second only to Pharaoh himself. He finds himself in a position to make provision for the nations of the world during a time of famine, including his own family and the brothers who sold him into slavery! The message of this story is summarized in Joseph’s address to his brothers in Genesis 50:19-21: “You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives. So then, don’t be afraid. I will provide for you and your children.”

Romans 8:28 contains some comforting words for those enduring hardship and suffering: “We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.” In His providence, God orchestrates every event in our lives—even suffering, temptation and sin—to accomplish both our temporal and eternal benefit.

The psalmist David endured much suffering in his time, and this is reflected in many of his poems collected in the book of Psalms. In Psalm 22, we hear David’s anguish: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning? Oh my God, I cry out by day but you do not answer, by night, and am not silent. Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the praise of Israel. In you our fathers put their trust; they trusted and you delivered them. They cried to you and were saved; in you they trusted and were not disappointed. But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by men and despised by the people. All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads: 'He trusts in the Lord; let the Lord rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.'”

It remains a mystery to David why God does not intervene and end his suffering and pain. He sees God as enthroned as the Holy One, the praise of Israel. God lives in heaven where all is good, where there is no weeping or fear, no hunger or hatred. What does God know of all that humans endure? David goes on to complain that “dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.”

Did God ever answer David? Yes, many centuries later, David received his answer. Roughly one millennium later, a descendant of David named Jesus was killed on a hill called Calvary. On the cross, Jesus endured the suffering and shame of his forefather. Christ’s hands and feet were pierced. Christ’s garments were divided among his enemies. Christ was stared at and derided. In fact, Christ uttered the words with which David opens this psalm: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” thus identifying Himself with the suffering of David.

Christ, the eternal Son of God in whom the fullness of God dwells, has lived on earth as a human being and has endured hunger, thirst, temptation, shame, persecution, nakedness, bereavement, betrayal, mockery, injustice and death. Therefore, He is in a position to fulfill the longing of Job: “If only there were someone to arbitrate between us, to lay his hand upon us both, someone to remove God’s rod from me, so that his terror would frighten me no more. Then I would speak up without fear of him, but as it now stands with me, I cannot” (Job 9:33).

Christian theism is, in fact, the only worldview which can consistently make sense of the problem of evil and suffering. Christians serve a God who has lived on this earth and endured trauma, temptation, bereavement, torture, hunger, thirst, persecution and even execution. The cross of Christ can be regarded as the ultimate manifestation of God’s justice. When asked how much God cares about the problem of evil and suffering, the Christian God can point to the cross and say, “That much.” Christ experienced physical pain as well as feelings of rejection and abandonment. He experienced the same suffering as many people today who know the bitterness of isolation, pain, and anguish.

www.gotquestions.org/Bible-suffering.html
 
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I have a different take....

Since the Mosaic law took effect God demanded payment for sins committed. There were degrees of payment; the most severe required blood. That demand was never removed, so if God was to forgive the sins of all humanity, the ultimate blood sacrifice had to be made. That sacrifice was Jesus' death on the cross. Because Jesus was sinless, his sacrifice paid entirely for the sins of others -- all sin. Those who accept that sacrifice that was made on their behalf are justified before God: the penalty for the sins that they committed no longer applies. They are also sanctified: set apart from the rest of humanity to become God's adopted children.

Does that mean that we won't sin? No, but all our sins are forgiven so they are not held against us. There is no need to confess our sins and repent over and over and over. We are not expected to be perfect but we are 100% forgiven.

Are Christians guaranteed a problem-free life? Absolutely not! We will have the same problems that everyone else has and perhaps more from those who oppose Christianity. Think about how much Paul suffered! We are given the tools to endure that suffering: faith and hope. We endure as well as we are able -- until Jesus returns and brings us with him into heaven.

Does that answer your question?
 
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Romans 10:10
With the heart you believe to salvation...
Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen
Hebrews 11:1
GOd is love and a person must respond to him out of a loving committment from your heart
The greatest command is to love God with all your heart soul mind and strength
GOd is in a Spiritual realm that connot always be understood..........
But through Jesus His son He has brought us to His father by love.........
Love is greater than faith and is the ultimate test of our salvation.....
Thus John 3:16
 
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How are we saved? What is the mechanics of the belief? I don't know how the belief works.
Anyone's doctrine of "salvation" will always confuse the cross. sOtEria translated "salvation" means: deliver, rescue, save, preserve, make whole, kept safe and sound, etc. It is a very general word having to do with God's preservation in our everyday life.

sOtEria was never intended to mean: golden ticket to heaven when you die complete with the fire insurance. That idea was given us by Martin Luther 500yrs ago. Before him the argument was, "How is a man justified" which is just as silly.

God promised us life, freedom, peace right here, right now and that more abundant. sOtEria is how God accomplishes it for us as everyday we all have needs. Jesus just said, "You! Follow Me!"

Therefore, Jesus is our Shepherd we Christians are following sheep. We can never understand, or even trust, any decision we can make, no matter how good we might think that decision is: we will never know the consequences. However, our Shepherd is the Alpha and the Omega so we need to trust Him in the everything of His promised life.

"belief" is the Greek word pistis and means: that which you truize, place confidence in, trust. It is a noun of action with principles, motivation and function. It is not blind.

As a verb pisteuO means: to be trusting what you truize. When Jesus says, "Believe in Me". He always used present participles which means: keep on trusting in me. Not a one shot decision but, a lifestyle of trust.

The bible is all about life in the here and now. As far as our afterlife; if we take on that challenge to trust Him and live, our names will be found in that Book of Life. Everyone's name in that book is a sheep and do not suffer the second death which is the Lake of Fire. That lake is for the Devil, Beast, False Prophet, demons and goats. Ours will be the Paradise of God.

God said, "Anyone who comes to Me I will in no ways cast out". Paul said we go to Him because He is there and we ask for things because we know He can dispense it. The Eastern Orthodox Church calls that point of contact with God an "Epiphany", not "salvation".

OSAS: Once a Sheep, Always a Sheep!

Keep asking questions and have an awesome life!
 
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What was quite Satan's plan?
Not sure. Satan at one time was God's #1 cherub. I think he saw how God ruled and said to himself, "I could do that, I can be like the Most-High!" But, he couldn't use God's systems so he came up with some pseudo-systems and lies to deceive man and take the throne from Adam.

The rest is history!
 
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I'll keep it simple. The Greek actually says that Jesus' death was over "sin". It is a covering. Like the blood of the Levitical offering sprinkled on the ark covering the things of man that are inside that ark.

Because of the "sin" of Adam all of mankind became subjected to death(not referring to physical death although that is a part of it) and a ransom for our release was demanded by death(Satan's plan). Death reigned from Adam until Moses when the Levitical offering set the things of death aside.

The ransom payment was the death of Jesus. God is then appeased and the ransom fully paid. We then were reconciled(exchanged like money) death for life(God's plan). It is for freedom that we have been set free.

Paul explains that because mankind was then declared as being right(rightified), there was no longer a reason for Jesus to remain with the dead and was raised the third day!

The fallen state of man is why Jesus had to die. But, the covering was so efficacious in making us right that He Himself was raised!

That is just so awesome!
This is a really good explanation of what happened judicially. When I used to wrestle with the question of the OP in my spirit that explanation didn't quite fulfill me because while I understood it well, it felt like God must be playing his own emotions or like... if you are the one who needs a ransom why are you appeased with your own ransom. This came from me not grasping the REALITY of the situation, and the immensity of how much I don't understand about both history and spiritual laws.
It is my belief that we hear "spiritual laws" and think laws in a judicial sense, but from my studies of the cosmos and ancient beliefs and the bible and just everything, I think its more like spiritual physics. They are laws that just are how it is, and it MAY be that God set them in motion when Satan challenged him. He felt he could get the humans to worship him more, God creates a playing field, and rules are set up by God that would allow him to prove once and for all he and only he is worthy of praise.

So what he did was ingenius on so many levels, I mean seriously they're almost infinite the things he accomplished. But one I think ANYONE can understand is this. God wants to see you as blameless and forgive you and have relationship with you but he cant lie to himself or be false to himself and he cant overlook your sin without a justified reason that appeases him. Something has to make you worthy. Well we can't BE worthy, so he decides instead to just come down and live a perfect life and show us what it really looks like, love us in person, tell us why we're here, then he shows us what ULTIMATE love looks like, which is giving yourself up for others to the point of being illing to endure the worst death. Above this there is no greater love than sacrificing yourself for others. Because this is REAL, Gods heart watched his son go through every moment and he felt and remembers it all. What do you think he feels now toward people who ALSO are in love with his son and the story of what he did and thankful?

See... its like, how can he be mad at you if you honor his son now? It rights the wrong, feeling love toward Jesus is an act of pure righteousness that YOU can perform because of how righteous he was. And now instead of having to try really hard to be good, you just try really hard to GET the gospel to sink in deeper and deeper, you seek out relationship knowing that God is pleased with you JUST for aligning yourself with his son. He feels SUCH love for his son, he cannot hold anything against anyone who also loves his son.

See? It actually DOES make sense, and that's just ONE angle. @Haipule explained another very valid angle. There are more, you gotta find really great teachers on youtube man haha
 
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