Matthew 16:15-17 - The son of God

Lord'sWarrior · Aug 6, 2017

Matthew 16:15-17
15 He said to them, “And who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father in heaven!”

If it was God who revealed to Simon Peter what Jesus was the son of God, mustn't he reveal it to us instead of just believe it because we read it? Mustn't God reveal that to us? I can believe many things, for some say he is and others say he is not, and if he is God must reveal this to each one of us if it's true. If not, we are just believing something that is written, and other texts and religions say other things. And I ask again, mustn't God reveal this to us instead of just rely on the word of scripture? It would be a real experience and not just a belief. Because doubt can arise. I think one should feel it or be revealed in some way instead of just repeating like a parrot, pardon my use of language.

Adstar · Aug 6, 2017

Guerrier said:
Matthew 16:15-17
15 He said to them, “And who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father in heaven!”

If it was God who revealed to Simon Peter what Jesus was the son of God, mustn't he reveal it to us instead of just believe it because we read it? Mustn't God reveal that to us? I can believe many things, for some say he is and others say he is not, and if he is God must reveal this to each one of us if it's true. If not, we are just believing something that is written, and other texts and religions say other things. And I ask again, mustn't God reveal this to us instead of just rely on the word of scripture? It would be a real experience and not just a belief. Because doubt can arise. I think one should feel it or be revealed in some way instead of just repeating like a parrot, pardon my use of language.

You can choose to believe a message or not..

So if the Holy Spirit is moving you and working upon your conscience then you will believe the Gospel..

Lord'sWarrior · Aug 6, 2017

Adstar said:
You can choose to believe a message or not..

So if the Holy Spirit is moving you and working upon your conscience then you will believe the Gospel..

It's not a matter of choice. You can choose a pair of sneakers but in what you believe you cannot choose. ""No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day." John 6:44
But nevertheless even though if God draws me to Jesus I might want to be sure that that is so, hence the need for some sort of revelation as the one Simon Peter said. “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

mozo41 · Aug 6, 2017

yes ... only our Father can reveal His Son(s) ... which is a revealing of the Father in His Son as His Son ....

Lord'sWarrior · Aug 6, 2017

mozo41 said:
yes ... only our Father can reveal His Son(s) ... which is a revealing of the Father in His Son as His Son ....

How does this revelation happen? Is it in a specific form? Some mystical thing? To me it wasn't mystical at all, that's why I ask. I doubt myself about my belief, if it's true or not. That's why I'm asking.

Adstar · Aug 6, 2017

You can decide to embrace a set of theological teachings or you can choose to reject a set of theological teachings... Jesus has delivered His Gospel and His offer of atonement and eternal life is on the table.. those who love the truth will embrace the offer.. those who love evil will reject it.. Thats the way it has always been and will be till the day of Judgement..

The Holy Spirit convicts many but many resist His calling.. As the Bible says Many are called Few are chosen... The call of the Father can be resisted and rejected.. And Yes all who come to God experience the conviction of the Holy Spirit..

If you love the truth and am genuinly seeking Gods will.. Then God may very well give you a special visit.. He visited me in my dreams.. Not to cause me to believe Him but to encourage me in my belief and to teach me.. So start talking with the God of Abraham today and ask Him to help you into the Way of salvation..

mozo41 · Aug 6, 2017

we are defined by who we are not ... a comparison ... in other words a journey of there and back again

GOD has you exactly where He has purposed in Himself for you to be ... seeing we are not separate from our path we are in ...

1213 · Aug 6, 2017

Guerrier said:
...And I ask again, mustn't God reveal this to us instead of just rely on the word of scripture? ...

For me, it becomes clear when I read what Jesus says in the Bible. I think no one else than son of God would speak like he did.

But Jesus said also:

"My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me. If anyone desires to do his will, he will know about the teaching, whether it is from God, or if I am speaking from myself.
John 7:16-17

I think that is true and everybody who does that, will see it.

-V- · Aug 6, 2017

Guerrier said:
Matthew 16:15-17
15 He said to them, “And who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father in heaven!”

If it was God who revealed to Simon Peter what Jesus was the son of God, mustn't he reveal it to us instead of just believe it because we read it? Mustn't God reveal that to us? I can believe many things, for some say he is and others say he is not, and if he is God must reveal this to each one of us if it's true. If not, we are just believing something that is written, and other texts and religions say other things. And I ask again, mustn't God reveal this to us instead of just rely on the word of scripture? It would be a real experience and not just a belief. Because doubt can arise. I think one should feel it or be revealed in some way instead of just repeating like a parrot, pardon my use of language.

So, we shouldn't just rely on what's written ... but aren't you relying on what's written there in Matthew 16 to make your argument?

Lord'sWarrior · Aug 6, 2017

-V- said:
So, we shouldn't just rely on what's written ... but aren't you relying on what's written there in Matthew 16 to make your argument?

I've got to support my claim somehow. If I threw an argument from the top of my head probably someone would be quoting me scriptures and to look at them. I look, but don't see any changes. Do not feel more special than I did yesterday. And I want to feel something. If God is love and the Son reveals the Father, I want to feel that love.

-V- · Aug 6, 2017

Guerrier said:
I've got to support my claim somehow. If I threw an argument from the top of my head probably someone would be quoting me scriptures and to look at them. I look, but don't see any changes. Do not feel more special than I did yesterday. And I want to feel something. If God is love and the Son reveals the Father, I want to feel that love.

Yes, people should support their claims.

But you're claiming something is unreliable, and then using that very same unreliable thing to support your claim. If it's unreliable, then it is unreliable support for your claim.

Lord'sWarrior · Aug 6, 2017

-V- said:
Yes, people should support their claims.

But you're claiming something is unreliable, and then using that very same unreliable thing to support your claim. If it's unreliable, then it is unreliable support for your claim.

You're confusing me. Move on.

-V- · Aug 6, 2017

Guerrier said:
You're confusing me. Move on.

It's simple logic.

You think Matthew 16 makes a statement that is profound enough to require your personal experience to verify, and that Scripture isn't reliable enough to verify it.

But you have to presume Matthew 16 is reliable, otherwise it's not a profound statement, as we can simply dismiss it as an unreliable statement by unreliable Scripture.

So, your position that Scripture is not reliable depends on Scripture first being reliable. It's a self-defeating argument. (In simpler terms, your argument contradicts itself.)

Lord'sWarrior · Aug 6, 2017

-V- said:
It's simple logic.

You think Matthew 16 makes a statement that is profound enough to require your personal experience to verify, and that Scripture isn't reliable enough to verify it.

But you have to presume Matthew 16 is reliable, otherwise it's not a profound statement, as we can simply dismiss it as an unreliable statement by unreliable Scripture.

So, your position that Scripture is not reliable depends on Scripture first being reliable. It's a self-defeating argument. (In simpler terms, your argument contradicts itself.)

Man don't complicate things. I'm just asking if we mustn't have some kind revelation like Simon Peter. I don't question scripture, but a live and real confirmation and experience would have more meaning.

-V- · Aug 6, 2017

Guerrier said:
Man don't complicate things.

I'm not. What I've said is quite simple.

I don't question scripture, but a live and real confirmation and experience would have more meaning.

If you don't question it, then you don't need "live and real confirmation and experience". If you are saying you DO need those things, then you are, in fact, questioning Scripture. Can't have it both ways.

Is that not exceedingly simple?

Lord'sWarrior · Aug 6, 2017

-V- said:
I'm not. What I've said is quite simple.

If you don't question it, then you don't need "live and real confirmation and experience". If you are saying you DO need those things, then you are, in fact, questioning Scripture. Can't have it both ways.

Is that not exceedingly simple?

Ok. I question the scripture. Now. Wouldn't God reveal himself to me?

-V- · Aug 6, 2017

Guerrier said:
Ok. I question the scripture. Now. Wouldn't God reveal himself to me?

He already has revealed Himself to you, through His Word found in the Bible. And He has revealed Himself to you through the world you see around you (it's commonly called "general revelation").

As for requiring some kind of miracle to happen to you before you can accept it, Jesus has already told us that, if that is what it takes, then you will likely still not be convinced regardless. "But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”" - Luke 16:31. (Read the entire story for context, Luke 16:19-31.)

You might not get what you want, but God will give you what you need. You need to have faith in that simple idea. If you can't, then getting what you want will never be enough.

klutedavid · Aug 6, 2017

Guerrier said:
Matthew 16:15-17
15 He said to them, “And who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father in heaven!”

If it was God who revealed to Simon Peter what Jesus was the son of God, mustn't he reveal it to us instead of just believe it because we read it? Mustn't God reveal that to us? I can believe many things, for some say he is and others say he is not, and if he is God must reveal this to each one of us if it's true. If not, we are just believing something that is written, and other texts and religions say other things. And I ask again, mustn't God reveal this to us instead of just rely on the word of scripture? It would be a real experience and not just a belief. Because doubt can arise. I think one should feel it or be revealed in some way instead of just repeating like a parrot, pardon my use of language.

Hello Guerrier.

The whole point of the scripture, the revelation in the scripture, is Jesus was the predicted messiah, i.e., God in the flesh. The appearance of this messiah was God's solution, God's salvation, God's redemption, Jesus appeared for all of mankind.

Whether this information about the messiah needs to be revealed to you by God, or you can see it in the scripture. In the end is irrelevant, all that is required is that you believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15).

That is the fundamental doctrine, that is the sum of the revelation of the scripture. The real Gospel is the text (1 Corinthians 15), the scripture is all about Jesus and His reconciliation. So if an angel tells you, God tells you, or even a man tells you about this Gospel, the source in the end is not that important.

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