Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

Major1 · Aug 3, 2017

Postvieww said:
I don't believe I have ever said an angel is assigned to every individual there would be no basis in scripture for that but then I wouldn't say it is impossible, I'm sure God as a lot of angels to do His biding and I doubt very seriously they have been on a 2000 year vacation or just sewing white garments.

I did not mean that you had said that my brother. It was just a general comment.

You may be 100% correct and I will not argue with your point because I do not know.

Postvieww · Aug 3, 2017

Major1 said:
Several years ago while on vacation in the Smokey Mountains I was fishing in a little river. All of a sudden I hooked a fish and pulled it in. It was a 25 pound trout!!!

Then as I went to take it off the hook a black bear ran up and grabbed it and ate it.

What is the moral of this story. Don't believe everything that people tell you. Most people tend to make things up so as to appear to be more spiritual than everyone else.

If you doubt that, then I would say to everyone that you have never been in a church meeting for a time of "Testimonies". Try it some time and see what I am talking about. Especially the elderly.

I don't believe everything I hear but neither do I reject everything I do not understand.

Major1 · Aug 3, 2017

Postvieww said:
So you believe the answer is to lump any supernatural activity into the Evil side? Judge all things by the word of God. Know the scriptures, pray for the discerning of spirits.

1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

If you think you see one ask him if Jesus is come in the flesh, that should do it..

Nope, that will not work.

James 2:19............
"You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!"

The demons who encountered Jesus knew who He was, and they feared Him: Matt. 8:29.......
“‘What do you want with us, Son of God?’ [the demons] shouted. ‘Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?’”.

The demons know their end will be one of torment and they knew who Jesus was.

Major1 · Aug 3, 2017

Postvieww said:
I don't believe everything I hear but neither do I reject everything I do not understand.

1 John 4:1...........
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world."

Colossians 2:8..........
"See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ."

Postvieww · Aug 3, 2017

Major1 said:
Nope, that will not work.

James 2:19............
"You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!"

The demons who encountered Jesus knew who He was, and they feared Him: Matt. 8:29.......
“‘What do you want with us, Son of God?’ [the demons] shouted. ‘Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?’”.

The demons know their end will be one of torment and they knew who Jesus was.

1 John 4
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

I wouldn't say that will not work if I were you. Knowing who He was and confessing He has come in the flesh are two different things. Again we can agree to disagree.

Major1 · Aug 3, 2017

Postvieww said:
So you believe the answer is to lump any supernatural activity into the Evil side? Judge all things by the word of God. Know the scriptures, pray for the discerning of spirits.

1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

If you think you see one ask him if Jesus is come in the flesh, that should do it..

No that is not what I said. ALL supernatural activity is not evil but IMO it is not angel activity either.

IMO it would be the action of the Holy Spirit who is our comforter and guide in this life. But that once again is just my opinion and no one has to believe what I say. I am just proposing something that makes sense to ME.

Major1 · Aug 3, 2017

Postvieww said:
1 John 4
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

I wouldn't say that will not work if I were you. Knowing who He was and confessing He has come in the flesh are two different things. Again we can agree to disagree.

To me those verse say that not only did they know who He was but they also knew WHY He was come.

Notice the phrase in James 2:19................"
‘Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?’”.

Postvieww · Aug 3, 2017

Major1 said:
No that is not what I said. ALL supernatural activity is not evil but IMO it is not angel activity either.

IMO it would be the action of the Holy Spirit who is our comforter and guide in this life. But that once again is just my opinion and no one has to believe what I say. I am just proposing something that makes sense to ME.

Is the totality of you not believing angel activity still is for us today based on the Holy Spirit Being our helper? Why can there not be both?

Postvieww · Aug 3, 2017

Major1 said:
To me those verse say that not only did they know who He was but they also knew WHY He was come.

Notice the phrase in James 2:19................"
‘Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?’”.

Do you believe they (demons) are just as active today as they were when Jesus walked the earth?

Postvieww · Aug 3, 2017

Lunch Time! I do enjoy the conversation. God Bless.

Major1 · Aug 3, 2017

Postvieww said:
Is the totality of you not believing angel activity still is for us today based on the Holy Spirit Being our helper? Why can there not be both?

YES, and other Scriptures that seem to say that to me.

As I said, I do not know. It may very well be the case but I just do not think so.

When we consider how many false religions there are based on the words and thoughts from an angel, IMO we need to consider why that is the case.

Mormons were established by Joseph Smith who got the Book of Mormon from an angel.

Muslims were established when Muhammad got the Koran from an angel.

The same thing applies to the Jehovah Witnesses.

Ellen G. white of the 7th day Adventist movement was in touch with a “accompanying angel'.

Today there are about 10,000 Branhamites following his teaching after his death. Those who were influenced when he was alive were W.V. Grant, A..A. Allen, O.L. Jaggers, Paul Cain who was a disciple, and Oral Roberts. Many of today's healing evangelists point back to him as a mentor and influence such as Hinn, Copeland and Hagin and other Word faith movement practitioners.

Angels have always been involved in bringing revelation to mankind. They have also been involved in bringing false information. It all depends on which spirit you have made contact with. 42% of Americans believe they have been in contact with someone who has died and almost 15% endorse the work of spirit mediums.

That should give us pause to be careful that we be not deceived.

Major1 · Aug 3, 2017

Postvieww said:
Do you believe they (demons) are just as active today as they were when Jesus walked the earth?

Yes.
Even more so now as they know their time is comingto an end.

Major1 · Aug 3, 2017

Postvieww said:
Lunch Time! I do enjoy the conversation. God Bless.

Yes. I agree. My grandson just came over and he is going to help mow the yard so I will talk with you later in the day.

Thank you for your civility.

Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4 · Aug 3, 2017

Postvieww said:
Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

satan took with him 1/3 of angels , they started to multiply with womans because satan wanted to corrupt Adam's seed so Messiah won't be born , thats why flood happend aswell , when God speak of Moses that he was perfect he does not mean sinless , but he means that his seed has not been corrupted , that's why everybody died besides people in Noah ark ( 8) and Enoch who was raptured i believe.

Giants means not gigantic but earthborn in greek i think don't remember really , they actually were tall and had 1 additional finger .

I believe that angels and demons are two different creatures , angels are made by God which fallen with satan and became fallen angels , demons are made from these hybrids of human-angel.

It's short story , you can watch it yourself here :

Handmaid for Jesus · Aug 4, 2017

There are many mysteries revealed in scripture that many cannot accept.Many cannot accept that the Bible reveals that the giants existed in the days of Noah. But archaeology has discovered bones of the giants and governments have hidden the evidence. Why would they not want us to know about them? Is it because they want to keep the population asleep, or ignorant to satan's devices? Why did the RCC hide the book of Enoch? It is funny how some would even defend against the clear teaching of scripture.Scripture puts Og of Bashan well over twelve feet tall. The book of Amos tells us that the height of the Amorite was like the cedar tree. I have a small cedar tree in my yard. When I read this, I went out and stood beside it just to get an idea of how tall these people were.

Major1 · Aug 5, 2017

Handmaid for Jesus said:
There are many mysteries revealed in scripture that many cannot accept.Many cannot accept that the Bible reveals that the giants existed in the days of Noah. But archaeology has discovered bones of the giants and governments have hidden the evidence. Why would they not want us to know about them? Is it because they want to keep the population asleep, or ignorant to satan's devices? Why did the RCC hide the book of Enoch? It is funny how some would even defend against the clear teaching of scripture.Scripture puts Og of Bashan well over twelve feet tall. The book of Amos tells us that the height of the Amorite was like the cedar tree. I have a small cedar tree in my yard. When I read this, I went out and stood beside it just to get an idea of how tall these people were.

I can not agree with you. You are giving opinions and not known truth.

I do not know of anyone who has denied that there were giants in the day of Scripture when they are listed.

The Bible tells us that Goliath was very tall. The Masoretic Text, the Hebrew text that has long been accepted by the Jewish people, states that Goliath’s height was “six cubits and one span.” Taking a cubit to be approximately eighteen inches and a span to equal six, this figures to a height of approximately nine feet, six inches.

There is, however, a variation found in some ancient texts on the matter of Goliath’s height. A Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint, records Goliath’s height as four cubits and one span. Current measurements translate this to about six feet, six inches.

There are other sources that corroborate the shorter measurement, including one Hebrew text among the Dead Sea Scrolls and the writings of the Jewish historian Josephus that agrees with a shorter height, saying that Goliath was “close to seven feet tall”.

Why the differences???? Very simple actually. The measurement of a cubit is not precise, since a cubit was based on the distance from a person’s elbow to the tip of a finger. Thus, the length of a cubit would vary somewhat, according to the one doing the measuring and the length of his arm.

The point is that YES there were some very large HUMANS in those days and there are giants still with us TODAY but they are HUMAN.

Now, have you seem Shaquille O'Neil play basketball? He is 7 foot 3 inches tall and weighs about 400 pounds. Some would say that he is a giant.

About the professional wrestler "Big Show". He is seven feet tall, and weighs 452 pounds".

Back in 1940, Robert Wadlow was 8 ft. 1 in.

The RCC did not hide the book of Enoch. In fact it is included in the Catholic Bible in the Apocrypha.
The fact is that it is a work of fiction which is OCCULTIC and Satanic and that is why any Christian who reads it rejects it.

Handmaid for Jesus · Aug 5, 2017

Here is a video I found interesting by Mike Heiser.

Postvieww · Aug 6, 2017

Major1 said:
I can not agree with you. You are giving opinions and not known truth.

I do not know of anyone who has denied that there were giants in the day of Scripture when they are listed.

The Bible tells us that Goliath was very tall. The Masoretic Text, the Hebrew text that has long been accepted by the Jewish people, states that Goliath’s height was “six cubits and one span.” Taking a cubit to be approximately eighteen inches and a span to equal six, this figures to a height of approximately nine feet, six inches.

There is, however, a variation found in some ancient texts on the matter of Goliath’s height. A Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint, records Goliath’s height as four cubits and one span. Current measurements translate this to about six feet, six inches.

There are other sources that corroborate the shorter measurement, including one Hebrew text among the Dead Sea Scrolls and the writings of the Jewish historian Josephus that agrees with a shorter height, saying that Goliath was “close to seven feet tall”.

Why the differences???? Very simple actually. The measurement of a cubit is not precise, since a cubit was based on the distance from a person’s elbow to the tip of a finger. Thus, the length of a cubit would vary somewhat, according to the one doing the measuring and the length of his arm.

The point is that YES there were some very large HUMANS in those days and there are giants still with us TODAY but they are HUMAN.

Now, have you seem Shaquille O'Neil play basketball? He is 7 foot 3 inches tall and weighs about 400 pounds. Some would say that he is a giant.

About the professional wrestler "Big Show". He is seven feet tall, and weighs 452 pounds".

Back in 1940, Robert Wadlow was 8 ft. 1 in.

The RCC did not hide the book of Enoch. In fact it is included in the Catholic Bible in the Apocrypha.
The fact is that it is a work of fiction which is OCCULTIC and Satanic and that is why any Christian who reads it rejects it.

A very convenient explanation that does not explain:

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Amos 2:9 Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath.

Not exactly a description of people just a little taller than average.

2 Samuel 21:20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

1 Chronicles 20:6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot and he also was the son of the giant.

Shaquille O'Neil doesn’t have six fingers and toes.

Deuteronomy 2:20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;

21 A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the Lord destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:

Deuteronomy 2:33 And the Lord our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.

34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

Deuteronomy 3:5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many.

6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city.

1 Samuel 22:19 And Nob, the city of the priests, smote he with the edge of the sword, both men and women, children and sucklings, and oxen, and asses, and sheep, with the edge of the sword.

God always dealt with the giant clans the same, show no mercy, kill them all men women and children sometimes even the animals. Just saying they were wicked people does not answer the question why the children? I believe in the video I posted Chuck Missler said, understanding what happened in Genesis 6 is key to understanding the entire Old Testament. I agree completely.

IMHO this a perfect example of some trying removing the supernatural from scripture because they do not want to deal with the reality of it. Trying to explain all of these issues with human reason and so called common sense does not really face up to the facts we have in scripture.

For the most part on this thread we have stuck just to scriptures but when you add in the reality of megalithic structures found around the world that our technology cannot reproduce or explain today, giant remains and artifacts found in various places around the world, the massive attempt by many to cover up the physical evidence. Even claims by some in the military of encountering actual giants, in our day, with some claiming training specifically to deal with their supernatural strength. There are even legends of the American Indians that speak of a race of giants.

I always find it exciting when science and archeology confirm scripture but many just want to find a way to explain it away or just ignore it.

There is a wealth of information out there for those who seek to understand what this is really all about.

Postvieww · Aug 6, 2017

Major1 said:
YES, and other Scriptures that seem to say that to me.

As I said, I do not know. It may very well be the case but I just do not think so.

When we consider how many false religions there are based on the words and thoughts from an angel, IMO we need to consider why that is the case.

Mormons were established by Joseph Smith who got the Book of Mormon from an angel.

Muslims were established when Muhammad got the Koran from an angel.

The same thing applies to the Jehovah Witnesses.

Ellen G. white of the 7th day Adventist movement was in touch with a “accompanying angel'.

Today there are about 10,000 Branhamites following his teaching after his death. Those who were influenced when he was alive were W.V. Grant, A..A. Allen, O.L. Jaggers, Paul Cain who was a disciple, and Oral Roberts. Many of today's healing evangelists point back to him as a mentor and influence such as Hinn, Copeland and Hagin and other Word faith movement practitioners.

Angels have always been involved in bringing revelation to mankind. They have also been involved in bringing false information. It all depends on which spirit you have made contact with. 42% of Americans believe they have been in contact with someone who has died and almost 15% endorse the work of spirit mediums.

That should give us pause to be careful that we be not deceived.

I totally get your point about the false religions but if all of those people you list had judged all of those so called revelations as a born again believer using the Holy Spirit and the word of God as a guide there would in my opinion have been a different result.

Just my opinion here many Christians miss out on many blessings of God because of what they have been taught, what they don’t understand and in some case what they do not want to know.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Postvieww · Aug 6, 2017

Major1 said:
The fact is that it is a work of fiction which is OCCULTIC and Satanic and that is why any Christian who reads it rejects it.

Will you point out some specific passages from Enoch that are “OCCULTIC and Satanic”.

Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

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