Does God love genocide?

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I seem to have no choice but to accept that God is the manipulator and the controller of fate. He sees the human race as a collective and individuals as cogs in the machine. Therefore, there are no problems with directly ordering the armies of Israel to engage in brutal slaughter.

The Canaanites and the Amalekites are the prime examples of this. If you happen to be an infant born into one of these cultures then God hates you down to the bone. You exist only to be made an example of and to be target practice for the Israelites. There is little doubt that the leaders and the adult population of these two cultures deserved their fate because of their grave sin and their threats of violence against Israel....but God wanted to go further than that. From the beginning of infinity God decided that every last Canaanite and Amalekite infant was worthless. They were worthless before the foundation of the Earth was formed.

This completely changes the way I see the gospel now.

God did not send Jesus to save the human race. He came to save his people....maybe a few thousand of them. He saves all his best attributes for this spiritual elite. He has named the very hairs on their heads. His opinion of every other living human couldn't be more different. He hates them down to the molecule! His fiery eyes gaze down from a dark sky waiting for our disgusting selves to make an error knowing full well that we all will. Only the very few are capable of genuine repentance. The rest of us are liars and self deceived :(

It is very likely that myself and probably everyone who will read this post is damned. God has not come to save as many as possible because he doesn't really care about our souls. He cares about the souls of a very small number.

I don't know how to get around this. My heart is completely broken.
 

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I seem to have no choice but to accept that God is the manipulator and the controller of fate. He sees the human race as a collective and individuals as cogs in the machine. Therefore, there are no problems with directly ordering the armies of Israel to engage in brutal slaughter.

The Canaanites and the Amalekites are the prime examples of this. If you happen to be an infant born into one of these cultures then God hates you down to the bone. You exist only to be made an example of and to be target practice for the Israelites. There is little doubt that the leaders and the adult population of these two cultures deserved their fate because of their grave sin and their threats of violence against Israel....but God wanted to go further than that. From the beginning of infinity God decided that every last Canaanite and Amalekite infant was worthless. They were worthless before the foundation of the Earth was formed.

This completely changes the way I see the gospel now.

God did not send Jesus to save the human race. He came to save his people....maybe a few thousand of them. He saves all his best attributes for this spiritual elite. He has named the very hairs on their heads. His opinion of every other living human couldn't be more different. He hates them down to the molecule! His fiery eyes gaze down from a dark sky waiting for our disgusting selves to make an error knowing full well that we all will. Only the very few are capable of genuine repentance. The rest of us are liars and self deceived :(

It is very likely that myself and probably everyone who will read this post is damned. God has not come to save as many as possible because he doesn't really care about our souls. He cares about the souls of a very small number.

I don't know how to get around this. My heart is completely broken.


God is only interested in how you react to your circumstances.
It is not His place to change the world for you, though He might
have already done that. Only you can find out:
Answered Prayer - Steps 1, 2, 3
 
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I seem to have no choice but to accept that God is the manipulator and the controller of fate.

He will control your fate if you ask for it and allow it
Answered Prayer
Otherwise you are doomed to just read the news.
 
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I went through this years ago. Same exact thing, I have some pretty cool news for you, you don't know the whole story :) Be careful to never forget that you can't fathom the vastness of history or the complexities of God's universe and his ways. You're making the assumption (like I did) that the amalekites and cananites were just normal people like you and me who didn't make the cut, and you seem to think God made them that way. No God made them with all the same intentions he makes all of us, he's going through this WITH us. Sometimes I think we assume "God knows everything and he can't turn it off so he just placed us here like pawns in his game" No I think God DOES limit his mind so he can interact with the world in real time, while ANOTHER part of his mind is making everything work out according to his plan, it's too deep for us to understand, but God is CLEARLY in this for real, he said he was SHOCKED at mankind's wickedness, that means he limited a part of himself to just witness this in real time. He doesn't force us to be evil, he HONESTLY doesn't, he just fixes the story to still have a happy ending when we choose evil anyway.

The cannanites and amalekites were direct enemies of God. They worshipped demons and sacrificed their children to them, do you think it's impossible for there to be a race of people so awful that they need to be wiped out?? I think there are nations that are approaching that level of danger right now! God protects his earth and his children, the nations you speak of threatened both of those things. God saw that their hearts had no way of turning around, and he's not one to let bullies trample his earth.

Our God is a PROTECTOR of what is GOOD, and he makes it clear that he will tolerate evil up to a point but when it has gotten to where it is all consuming? He'll take you out. The problem here (and I did this too) is not BELIEVING God. When God says the whole nation was wicked and needed to be destroyed? Why don't we believe him? We still imagine normal people like us, but he said WICKED. Ritual orgies, killing the babies made after, attacking Israel, these were God's ENEMIES. And in that regard, he hasn't changed, he's STILL got enemies trying to destroy his sheep, and he STILL is only going to let it go on for so long before he utterly humiliates and destroys them and gathers his sheep for the final time.

(there's even evidence that the amelikites and cananites weren't even human... and if you wanna go THAT route start watching youtube videos on the nephilim)

Should we have dropped the bomb on hiroshima and nagusaki? It was a sticky situation right? The whole world's gonna destroy itself if something drastic isn't done right? I'm not saying we made the right decision or not, I'm saying we can all agree that there's not a black and white clear answer on if the US should have done that or not and we're just people. So why then when God says "For the good of my world these ones must die" do we say "Oh but in THAT situation I know God was just being mean" See what I mean? God loves his earth and the goodness therein, and he'll protect it like a mother protecting her children. And some of the sweetest kindest mothers on earth, would KILL if something truly threatened the life of their child.

I think if you'd lived back then you'd be praising God for destroying one of the most terrifying threats your world faced.
 
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God is only interested in how you react to your circumstances.
It is not His place to change the world for you, though He might
have already done that. Only you can find out:
Answered Prayer - Steps 1, 2, 3

My circumstance is that I am worthless garbage and God is going to dispose of me. He hates almost everyone else equally.
 
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I seem to have no choice but to accept that God is the manipulator and the controller of fate. He sees the human race as a collective and individuals as cogs in the machine. Therefore, there are no problems with directly ordering the armies of Israel to engage in brutal slaughter.
The Canaanites and the Amalekites are the prime examples of this. If you happen to be an infant born into one of these cultures then God hates you down to the bone. You exist only to be made an example of and to be target practice for the Israelites. There is little doubt that the leaders and the adult population of these two cultures deserved their fate because of their grave sin and their threats of violence against Israel....but God wanted to go further than that. From the beginning of infinity God decided that every last Canaanite and Amalekite infant was worthless. They were worthless before the foundation of the Earth was formed.
This completely changes the way I see the gospel now.
God did not send Jesus to save the human race. He came to save his people....maybe a few thousand of them. He saves all his best attributes for this spiritual elite. He has named the very hairs on their heads. His opinion of every other living human couldn't be more different. He hates them down to the molecule! His fiery eyes gaze down from a dark sky waiting for our disgusting selves to make an error knowing full well that we all will. Only the very few are capable of genuine repentance. The rest of us are liars and self deceived :(
It is very likely that myself and probably everyone who will read this post is damned. God has not come to save as many as possible because he doesn't really care about our souls. He cares about the souls of a very small number.

I don't know how to get around this. My heart is completely broken.
Physical death is not the end. I would recommend reading the Bible through before giving up.
Romans 4:15
(15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13
(13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Psalms 19:1-4
(1) To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
(2) Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
(3) There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
(4) Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
Romans 1:18-20
(18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
(19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
 
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My circumstance is that I am worthless garbage and God is going to dispose of me. He hates almost everyone else equally.
In the US in the 60s there were these two popular slogans. "I am somebody!" "God don't make no junk."
 
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The axiom is that the only two certainties in life are death and taxes.
Everybody dies, some young, some old, some peacefully, some horribly, some as a result of brutal people, some from painful parasites and cancer, some just fall asleep and never wake up.
Life is very dark when death is our obsession. Life though, does have its moments. Even the most evil among us has shone from time to time.

The thing is, if God is that bad, our work of being good is made a whole lost easier. It is not easy to be better than a perfect being, but I think most anyone is better than a genocidal maniac.
Imagine being at the pearly gates, and the list of charges are brought up on the amount of times that you touched your privates inappropriately. It is very easy to point out that "yeah, that may have happened, but at least I didn't order babies to be hacked into little pieces".
If a genocidal maniac can make it to heaven, then who can't?
 
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I seem to have no choice but to accept that God is the manipulator and the controller of fate. He sees the human race as a collective and individuals as cogs in the machine. Therefore, there are no problems with directly ordering the armies of Israel to engage in brutal slaughter.

The Canaanites and the Amalekites are the prime examples of this. If you happen to be an infant born into one of these cultures then God hates you down to the bone. You exist only to be made an example of and to be target practice for the Israelites. There is little doubt that the leaders and the adult population of these two cultures deserved their fate because of their grave sin and their threats of violence against Israel....but God wanted to go further than that. From the beginning of infinity God decided that every last Canaanite and Amalekite infant was worthless. They were worthless before the foundation of the Earth was formed.

This completely changes the way I see the gospel now.

God did not send Jesus to save the human race. He came to save his people....maybe a few thousand of them. He saves all his best attributes for this spiritual elite. He has named the very hairs on their heads. His opinion of every other living human couldn't be more different. He hates them down to the molecule! His fiery eyes gaze down from a dark sky waiting for our disgusting selves to make an error knowing full well that we all will. Only the very few are capable of genuine repentance. The rest of us are liars and self deceived :(

It is very likely that myself and probably everyone who will read this post is damned. God has not come to save as many as possible because he doesn't really care about our souls. He cares about the souls of a very small number.

I don't know how to get around this. My heart is completely broken.

Don't listen to the lies being whispered in your ear by the accuser of God, Who is Love.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

"...it doesn't say what most evangelizers of hopelessness want it to say in that regard either."

"It is false, he maintained, to translate that phrase as "everlasting punishment," introducing into the New Testament the concept found in the Islamic Quran that God is going to torture the wicked forever."

Scholar's Corner: The Center for Bible studies in Christian Universalism
 
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If you happen to be an infant born into one of these cultures then God hates you down to the bone. You exist only to be made an example of and to be target practice for the Israelites.

So much so that He delayed freedom for the Israelites until "the error of the Amorites is complete"? Four hundred years of progressive toil, enslavement, and bloody persecution for His chosen people, because the Canaanites did not yet deserve their fate. That's hatred, how?

The point about infants may be hard to understand, but picture babies today donned with suicide belts. I'm sure you've seen those pictures. That's the level of indoctrination that was going on back then as well, and family and tribe were even more defining then than now, if that is possible.

God did not want His chosen people to go in and slaughter a people that did not fully deserve it. And the Bible is clear that God always gives a witness before He sends judgment. One example in the sending of Jonah to the Ninevites. The Assyrians were known for their unbelievable savagery, yet God sent His servant directly into their capital out of mercy, to save them from their consequences.

Undoubtedly there were innocents who died in the OT slaughters. God was dealing with nations as nations back then, whereas now He first calls to individuals. To those who died wrongly, God is able to make full reparation, and infinitely more.

If there are any lingering doubts about anything in the OT, turn your gaze to Jesus, who went to the cruel cross for you, taking the consequences of sin upon Himself, that you could be reconciled back to God. If you understood the love that drove Him to do that, you would not take such a low view of God's character, or of the hopes of those who place their trust in Him.
 
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My circumstance is that I am worthless garbage and God is going to dispose of me. He hates almost everyone else equally.

Every one of us in is the same boat.
Only Jesus is large enough to cover
for our imperfections. And only Jesus
has what if takes to pay for all our
imperfections.
 
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It is very likely that myself and probably everyone who will read this post is damned.

The Only way to avoid Heaven is to reject God's Holy Spirit.
If someone does that, then Heaven would be a miserable place
to end up anyway.
 
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I seem to have no choice but to accept that God is the manipulator and the controller of fate. He sees the human race as a collective and individuals as cogs in the machine. Therefore, there are no problems with directly ordering the armies of Israel to engage in brutal slaughter.

The Canaanites and the Amalekites are the prime examples of this. If you happen to be an infant born into one of these cultures then God hates you down to the bone. You exist only to be made an example of and to be target practice for the Israelites. There is little doubt that the leaders and the adult population of these two cultures deserved their fate because of their grave sin and their threats of violence against Israel....but God wanted to go further than that. From the beginning of infinity God decided that every last Canaanite and Amalekite infant was worthless. They were worthless before the foundation of the Earth was formed.

This completely changes the way I see the gospel now.

God did not send Jesus to save the human race. He came to save his people....maybe a few thousand of them. He saves all his best attributes for this spiritual elite. He has named the very hairs on their heads. His opinion of every other living human couldn't be more different. He hates them down to the molecule! His fiery eyes gaze down from a dark sky waiting for our disgusting selves to make an error knowing full well that we all will. Only the very few are capable of genuine repentance. The rest of us are liars and self deceived :(

It is very likely that myself and probably everyone who will read this post is damned. God has not come to save as many as possible because he doesn't really care about our souls. He cares about the souls of a very small number.

I don't know how to get around this. My heart is completely broken.

Actually we should comprehend first , who are humans living in this planet in the eyes of God ?, are they commensurate with each other , or are they equal in the god’s eyes ?.
Why then there:

Rom9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed

John1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God

Why should God hate Esau and love Jacob , even though they were not yet born ?.

Rom9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

If there are two kinds of humans living in this planet in the eyes of God ( only God knows ), so it was plausible that God treated them with different manners .

Now the case is what is the difference?.
Born of God = the chosen = there is spirit being within this physical creature /God put spirit being inside the body ( human’s spirit ) (Zec12:1 ,Isa 46:3 ) , this spirit being had already been with God before the creation of the world , and his or her name had also been written in the book of life , all those names will be sent one by one to sojourn/wander to this planet (2Cor5:4 , 1Pet1:17 ), known as the physically chosen people ( but definitive chosen people (Jews) just only for the stipulation , for the common embraces the new covenant after Jer31:29-33 ) = have spiritual ears ( Matt13:9 ,Rev3:6 ) .

Born of flesh = there is no spirit being within this physical creature at the beginning they were born / God didn’t put spirit being inside the body , dust (Gen3:14) like animal (not intend to rude ) (Ecc3:19 ) , it is possible for them to be the camp of the devil for manifesting the devil’s deed, so in the last day the devils shall be judged /without them surely the devils will never be able to be judged (Rev20:12 ) = with no spiritual ears .

In OT especially before new covenant Jer31:29-33 , the devils had not been bound ,they surely abode to every born of flesh humans as their meals ( Gen3:14) ( for examples : victims in flood , Sodom and Gomorrah, Canaanites , Amalekites ), but in NT and for our sake the devils had already been bound and sealed in the bottomless pit( means not free to abide Luk11:24-26, only a few of born of flesh humans can be used for manifesting their deed / there are devils that transform to be the angels of light , there are antichrists, there are false teachers , there are false prophets ).

Then if all of His people have already sojourned/wander well , the devils surely will be loosed for awhile ( Rev20:3 ,Rev20:8-9 ).

If the born of flesh people that time were treated with love , so His people were threatened to be lost /failed , and we will never understand that the Salvation is by God’s Grace alone because there was no definitive chosen people , and for their own sake will never do some thing that gives opportunity to inherit the eternity (because the spirits inside them are the devils ,they themselves have no spirit beings ) .

So God doesn’t love genocide, just for our sake then God should treat the born of flesh differently that time , but only valid that time.
Note: No one really knows who is born of God , who is born of flesh , only God knows.


Zec12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.


Isa46:3 Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb


2Cor5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life


1Pet1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Jer31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Mat13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Rev3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Gen3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life ( dust =born of flesh )

Ecc3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity

Rev20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season

Rev20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
(in Noah flood catastrophe , Sodom and Gomorrah catastrophe , Canaanites, Amalekites that time were like this as well )
20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
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I seem to have no choice but to accept that God is the manipulator and the controller of fate. He sees the human race as a collective and individuals as cogs in the machine. Therefore, there are no problems with directly ordering the armies of Israel to engage in brutal slaughter.

The Canaanites and the Amalekites are the prime examples of this. If you happen to be an infant born into one of these cultures then God hates you down to the bone. You exist only to be made an example of and to be target practice for the Israelites. There is little doubt that the leaders and the adult population of these two cultures deserved their fate because of their grave sin and their threats of violence against Israel....but God wanted to go further than that. From the beginning of infinity God decided that every last Canaanite and Amalekite infant was worthless. They were worthless before the foundation of the Earth was formed.

This completely changes the way I see the gospel now.

God did not send Jesus to save the human race. He came to save his people....maybe a few thousand of them. He saves all his best attributes for this spiritual elite. He has named the very hairs on their heads. His opinion of every other living human couldn't be more different. He hates them down to the molecule! His fiery eyes gaze down from a dark sky waiting for our disgusting selves to make an error knowing full well that we all will. Only the very few are capable of genuine repentance. The rest of us are liars and self deceived :(

It is very likely that myself and probably everyone who will read this post is damned. God has not come to save as many as possible because he doesn't really care about our souls. He cares about the souls of a very small number.

I don't know how to get around this. My heart is completely broken.

This sentiment is what created the Gnostics who came up with an explanation, as strange as it is.
I don't follow it myself but the only other explanation I have ever heard is "God's ways are higher than our ways". That doesn't cut it either.
Whats the answer? I dunno.
 
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I seem to have no choice but to accept that God is the manipulator and the controller of fate. He sees the human race as a collective and individuals as cogs in the machine. Therefore, there are no problems with directly ordering the armies of Israel to engage in brutal slaughter.

The Canaanites and the Amalekites are the prime examples of this. If you happen to be an infant born into one of these cultures then God hates you down to the bone. You exist only to be made an example of and to be target practice for the Israelites. There is little doubt that the leaders and the adult population of these two cultures deserved their fate because of their grave sin and their threats of violence against Israel....but God wanted to go further than that. From the beginning of infinity God decided that every last Canaanite and Amalekite infant was worthless. They were worthless before the foundation of the Earth was formed.

This completely changes the way I see the gospel now.

God did not send Jesus to save the human race. He came to save his people....maybe a few thousand of them. He saves all his best attributes for this spiritual elite. He has named the very hairs on their heads. His opinion of every other living human couldn't be more different. He hates them down to the molecule! His fiery eyes gaze down from a dark sky waiting for our disgusting selves to make an error knowing full well that we all will. Only the very few are capable of genuine repentance. The rest of us are liars and self deceived :(

It is very likely that myself and probably everyone who will read this post is damned. God has not come to save as many as possible because he doesn't really care about our souls. He cares about the souls of a very small number.

I don't know how to get around this. My heart is completely broken.

Read the Bible.. to the end..

2 Peter 3: KJV
9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

Revelation 7:KJV

9 "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; {10} And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. {11} And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, {12} Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. {13} And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? {14} And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
 
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Actually we should comprehend first , who are humans living in this planet in the eyes of God ?, are they commensurate with each other , or are they equal in the god’s eyes ?.
Why then there:

Rom9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed

John1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God

Why should God hate Esau and love Jacob , even though they were not yet born ?.

Rom9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

If there are two kinds of humans living in this planet in the eyes of God ( only God knows ), so it was plausible that God treated them with different manners .

Now the case is what is the difference?.
Born of God = the chosen = there is spirit being within this physical creature /God put spirit being inside the body ( human’s spirit ) (Zec12:1 ,Isa 46:3 ) , this spirit being had already been with God before the creation of the world , and his or her name had also been written in the book of life , all those names will be sent one by one to sojourn/wander to this planet (2Cor5:4 , 1Pet1:17 ), known as the physically chosen people ( but definitive chosen people (Jews) just only for the stipulation , for the common embraces the new covenant after Jer31:29-33 ) = have spiritual ears ( Matt13:9 ,Rev3:6 ) .

Born of flesh = there is no spirit being within this physical creature at the beginning they were born / God didn’t put spirit being inside the body , dust (Gen3:14) like animal (not intend to rude ) (Ecc3:19 ) , it is possible for them to be the camp of the devil for manifesting the devil’s deed, so in the last day the devils shall be judged /without them surely the devils will never be able to be judged (Rev20:12 ) = with no spiritual ears .

In OT especially before new covenant Jer31:29-33 , the devils had not been bound ,they surely abode to every born of flesh humans as their meals ( Gen3:14) ( for examples : victims in flood , Sodom and Gomorrah, Canaanites , Amalekites ), but in NT and for our sake the devils had already been bound and sealed in the bottomless pit( means not free to abide Luk11:24-26, only a few of born of flesh humans can be used for manifesting their deed / there are devils that transform to be the angels of light , there are antichrists, there are false teachers , there are false prophets ).

Then if all of His people have already sojourned/wander well , the devils surely will be loosed for awhile ( Rev20:3 ,Rev20:8-9 ).

If the born of flesh people that time were treated with love , so His people were threatened to be lost /failed , and we will never understand that the Salvation is by God’s Grace alone because there was no definitive chosen people , and for their own sake will never do some thing that gives opportunity to inherit the eternity (because the spirits inside them are the devils ,they themselves have no spirit beings ) .

So God doesn’t love genocide, just for our sake then God should treat the born of flesh differently that time , but only valid that time.
Note: No one really knows who is born of God , who is born of flesh , only God knows.


Zec12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.


Isa46:3 Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb


2Cor5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life


1Pet1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Jer31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Mat13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Rev3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Gen3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life ( dust =born of flesh )

Ecc3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity

Rev20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season

Rev20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
(in Noah flood catastrophe , Sodom and Gomorrah catastrophe , Canaanites, Amalekites that time were like this as well )
20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

If this is the correct interpretation then everything I said in my post was correct. God DOES make garbage and he hates us....
 
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Read the Bible.. to the end..

2 Peter 3: KJV
9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

Revelation 7:KJV

9 "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; {10} And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. {11} And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, {12} Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. {13} And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? {14} And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

That could simply mean that the population is extremely large during the time of tribulation. If 1% of a trillion people is saved then that is 10 billion people....
 
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If this is the correct interpretation then everything I said in my post was correct. God DOES make garbage and he hates us....
I'm not sure who your other account is or what you are trying to accomplish, but welcome to the ignore bin with probably 4 or 5 of our other account names.
 
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...God has not come to save as many as possible because he doesn't really care about our souls. ....

I don’t think that is true. He cares, but caring doesn’t mean that one forces people live good life, or with Him. Those who are not righteous and therefore don’t get eternal life, wouldn’t even really want to be with God, and they don’t want to live righteously. And if people don’t want to live righteously, they will make life suffering for all and that is why it is not good to allow them to live forever. I believe God would want that all become righteous, but He doesn’t seem to want to force people to do so. And if people chose evil rather than good, it would be bad to allow them to live eternally and torture others eternally.

This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the light, and doesn't come to the light, lest his works would be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God."
John 3:19-21

Bible tells the judgment is in that, loves person more evil than good. Even if God loves all, it would not be good to allow evil lovers to live forever and make the life as hellish as it is in worst places on earth, where people do all kind of atrocities (For example Syria, Yemen…).

I believe it is not about who God loves or cares, but about what is good and right.
 
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