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May I ask why 'Zoii?' Do you believe in the Word of God?
Because I believe the idea of male leadership outdated and originated from a time when women were uneducated and society at large was patriarchal. I believe in God but there is much in the bible christians dont follow such as not working the sabbath, eating pork or stoning women. This to me is just another issue which belongs in the 1st century not the 21st
 
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Because I believe the idea of male leadership outdated and originated from a time when women were uneducated and society at large was patriarchal. I believe in God but there is much in the bible christians dont follow such as not working the sabbath, eating pork or stoning women. This to me is just another issue which belongs in the 1st century not the 21st
Thankyou for your opinion 'Zoii'. We believe here in the inspired Word of God. We live in the new covenant so we don't stone people or such like. Thanks for dropping in 'Zoii'
 
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This concept is balanced by Ephesians 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
That is a positive but not a balance IMO. I am still required to submit to a husband and within the church would be required to submit to male leadership. Its that concept I reject outright.
 
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Husband and wife submit to each other. Christ should be the head of each home. Both submit to Him. The husband has the responsibility to love his wife. He is not her boss but is required to lead in the home and the wife willingly works with him. It is the same in the church we submit to one another. Christ is the Head of the Church. He has men and women in leadership
 
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Because I believe the idea of male leadership outdated and originated from a time when women were uneducated and society at large was patriarchal. I believe in God but there is much in the bible christians dont follow such as not working the sabbath, eating pork or stoning women. This to me is just another issue which belongs in the 1st century not the 21st
Well, then do you think we can do what we want? Should we allow homosexualism then, because now it is okay, but in biblical times it wasnt?

We are free from the law of Moses and thats it. We cant modify the word of God to live the way WE think it is okay...

Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. (Proverbs 26:12).
We have to submit ourselfes also to the given authorities.

Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover–up for evil; live as servants of God. Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king. (1.Peter 13)

It isnt just an issue for women, also the men have to be submissive with the given authorities.
I didnt give my opinion, all I used was the living word of God.

Lehit, Katan
 
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Well, then do you think we can do what we want? Should we allow homosexualism then, because now it is okay, but in biblical times it wasnt?

We are free from the law of Moses and thats it. We cant modify the word of God to live the way WE think it is okay...

Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. (Proverbs 26:12).
We have to submit ourselfes also to the given authorities.

Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover–up for evil; live as servants of God. Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king. (1.Peter 13)

It isnt just an issue for women, also the men have to be submissive with the given authorities.

I didnt give my opinion, all I used was the living word of God.

Lehit, Katan
I was asked for my view. You denouncing it wont change my view as I see this issue taken to unhealthy abusive levels far too often. And I didnt say we are to do what we want, I said that there are laws in the bible that society has either made unlawful or we just dont follow anymore and for good reason.
 
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The counsel given in Ephesians is certainly relevant to today and needs to be heeded and applied to every Christian and Church of our LORD Jesus Christ. Christians submitting to each other in the love and headship of Christ is essential for good relationships and there should be no abuse in such a relationship. Wives respecting and submitting to their husbands in willing love and husbands loving their wives in respect and care is also the Scriptural way to live.
 
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'You wives must submit to your husband's leadership in the same way as you submit to the LORD' (Ephesians 5:23)

Except that is not what you posted, You only posted the part about "Wives submit!" without including any of the surrounding passages... Something men have been doing for 100's of years to "prove" women must submit to them unconditionally & without question,... without holding up their end of things and being the men/man a woman/wife feels safe and willing to submit to.
& Creating a lot of Pain & suffering in the meantime

Funny how men "forget" they are, in fact supposed to Love AND submit also to their spouse also.....

(also Keeping in mind that submit in that context does not mean "Agree with & do everything I say or you're going to hell! you evil woman.)
 
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Except that is not what you posted, You only posted the part about "Wives submit!" without including any of the surrounding passages... Something men have been doing for 100's of years to "prove" women must submit to them unconditionally & without question,... without holding up their end of things and being the men/man a woman/wife feels safe and willing to submit to.
& Creating a lot of Pain & suffering in the meantime

Funny how men "forget" they are, in fact supposed to Love AND submit also to their spouse also.....

(also Keeping in mind that submit in that context does not mean "Agree with & do everything I say or you're going to hell! you evil woman.)
'For a husband is in charge of his wife in the same way Christ is in charge of His body the church ( He gave His very life to take care of it and be its' Saviour!) (Ephesians 5:24)
This concept is balanced by Ephesians 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Husband and wife submit to each other. Christ should be the head of each home. Both submit to Him. The husband has the responsibility to love his wife. He is not her boss but is required to lead in the home and the wife willingly works with him. It is the same in the church we submit to one another. Christ is the Head of the Church. He has men and women in leadership
The counsel given in Ephesians is certainly relevant to today and needs to be heeded and applied to every Christian and Church of our LORD Jesus Christ. Christians submitting to each other in the love and headship of Christ is essential for good relationships and there should be no abuse in such a relationship. Wives respecting and submitting to their husbands in willing love and husbands loving their wives in respect and care is also the Scriptural way to live.
I think I made it very clear that husbands should love their wives. Abuse,bullying,does not come under love.
 
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Why is it so necessary the idea of headship. Whats so critical about it, as opposed to a partnership. Why would a marriage with a woman leading because shes more decisive, educated or has those types of personal strengths be wrong in gods eyes. Explain that to me.
 
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I apologize for not giving the full passage in my opening posts and for any misunderstanding caused. Here is the full chapter from (Ephesians 5 1-32):'Walk in love' 1'Therefore,be imitators of God as dear children 2 and walk in love,as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us,an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling aroma. 3 'But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness,let it not even be named among you,as is fitting for saints; 4 neither filthiness,nor foolish talking,nor coarse jesting,which are not fitting,but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this you know,that no fornicator,unclean person,nor covetous man,who is an idolater,has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ or God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words,for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore,do not be partakers with them. 8 For you were once darkness,but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light. 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness,righteousness and truth) 10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness,but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. 13 But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light,for whatever makes manifest is light. 14 Therefore He says; "Awake,you who sleep,Arise from the dead,And Christ will give you light". 15 See then that you walk circumspectly,not as fools but as wise. 16 redeeming the time,because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be unwise,but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18 And do not be drunk with wine,in which is dissipation;but be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord, 20 giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another in the fear of God. 22 Wives,submit to your own husbands,as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife,as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore just as the church is subject to Christ,so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives,just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her. 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of the. word. 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church,not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing,but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh,but nourishes and cherishes it,just as the Lord does the church. 30 For we are members of His body,of His flesh and of His bones. 31 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh. 32 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself and let his wife see that she respects her husband'.
 
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Why is it so necessary the idea of headship. Whats so critical about it, as opposed to a partnership. Why would a marriage with a woman leading because shes more decisive, educated or has those types of personal strengths be wrong in gods eyes. Explain that to me.
Hi 'zoii'. Marriage should be a partnership. Both working together in love
 
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