Why you should pray to JESUS

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Aug 4, 2017

Well his name Emmanual means God with us... JESUS= 100% God 100% human in Matthew 1:23 KJV

Summary: The thoughts of God (the Word or Logos) manifested in time is JESUS

John 1King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Substitute God for the Father and you get the point

John 1:14King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Additional verses:

1 John 3:16King James Version (KJV)
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Just pure reasons to believe that you can pray to JESUS and through him

Colossians 1:15King James Version (KJV)
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature

Image= stems from the greek word eikon' which essentially means the reflection of its source or having a likeness.

We see another verse that sort of emphasizes this further

Hebrews 1:3King James Version (KJV)
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

1. THE NAME OF JESUS IS applied to JEHOVAH

Jeremiah 23:5-6King James Version (KJV)
5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

Cross reference:
John 20:28King James Version
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

2. Name of the Father is JESUS

Isaiah 9:6 6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace
Acts 4:12King James Version ( JESUS name=JEHOVAH saves yet this is stated in acts referring to JESUS name which indicates JESUS=Jehovah
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved

Question for readers: And besides if Satan can manifest himself in a snake and King tyrus then why can't God in a man? Not to mention God is omnipresent omnipotent, and omniscient, he's everywhere, he can be in cali and in Texas, in Florida and in LA. In JESUS as the Son and in heaven as the Father.

2. Additionally God is the creator....JESUS is the creator...God is "I am"...JESUS is referenced as I am etc.

I'll post the list I have in notes on a reply thread didn't want to make the OP too long, but my point is you can pray to JESUS because he is the God we serve, he manifested himself in flesh. In the OT he was the Father in heaven...so high you had to offer sacrifices and go to holy preist to reach him.

But in the NT he came down and gave us a name...he became an intercessor on our behalf and is now within easy reach of any who will seek his face today.

I tried to make this OP as short and simple as possible I hope it comes across that way.

Also would like to point out...praying in JESUS name isn't any different from praying to JESUS.

It's like if I were to pray in the name of the Father or something...i'm still praying to the Father..

SO the focus here is why when you pray in JESUS name you should mentally and spiritually be praying to JESUS who as I pointed out ironically is the father.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Aug 4, 2017

HEre is the list I mentioned I would post.
Genesis 1:1 (God is the Creator) - John 1:3-10 (Jesus is the Creator)

Genesis 17:1 (The Almighty is God) - Rev. 1:8 (Jesus is the Almighty)

Exodus 3:14 (The "I am" is God) - John 8:58 (Jesus is the "I am")

Deut. 10:17(The Lord of Lords is God) - Rev. 19:16 (Jesus is Lord of Lords)

Psalms 18:31 (The Rock is God) - I Corinthians 10:4 (Jesus is the Rock)

Psalms 146:10 (God shall reign forever)- Luke 1:33 (Jesus will reign forever)

Isaiah 40:11 (The Shepherd is God) - John 10:16 (Jesus is the Shepherd)

Isaiah 41:14 (The Redeemer is God) - Luke 1:68 (Jesus is the Redeemer)

Isaiah 43:10 (God said, “I am he”) - John 8:24 (Jesus said, “I am he”)

Isaiah 43:10,11 (God is the Saviour) - Luke 2:11 (Jesus is the Saviour)

Isaiah 43:15 (The Holy One is God) - Acts 3:14 (Jesus is the Holy One)

Isaiah 43:15(God is King of Israel) - Matt. 27:37(Jesus is King of Israel)

Isaiah 45:21 (The One Saviour is God) - Acts 4:12 (Jesus is the One Saviour)

Isaiah 43:10,11(God is the only Saviour)- Titus 1:4(Jesus is the only Saviour)

Isa, 44:6(The first and last is God) - Rev. 1:8, 22:13(Jesus is first and last)

Isa. 44:6 (The King of Israel is God) - John 1:49 (Jesus is King of Israel)

Isa. 45:23(Every knee must bow-God) - Phil. 2:10-11(Every knee must bow-Jesus)

Jeremiah 31:32 (God, the One Husband) - II Cor. 11:2 (Jesus-The One Husband)

Psalms 22:16 (they pierced my hands and my feet.)

Zechariah 12:10 (They pierced me - God)- John 19:34 (They pierced Jesus)

Zechariah 14:4-5 (God is coming) - Matthew 25:31 (Jesus is coming)

Malachi 1:6 (The One Master is God) - Matthew 23:8 (Jesus is the One Master)

Malachi 2:10 (God is the Father) -

John 14:5-9,Isaiah 9:6, (Jesus is the Father).....

Neogaia777 · Aug 4, 2017

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
Well his name Emmanual means God with us... JESUS= 100% God 100% human in Matthew 1:23 KJV

Summary: The thoughts of God (the Word or Logos) manifested in time is JESUS

John 1King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Substitute God for the Father and you get the point

John 1:14King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Additional verses:

1 John 3:16King James Version (KJV)
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Just pure reasons to believe that you can pray to JESUS and through him

Colossians 1:15King James Version (KJV)
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature

Image= stems from the greek word eikon' which essentially means the reflection of its source or having a likeness.

We see another verse that sort of emphasizes this further

Hebrews 1:3King James Version (KJV)
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

1. THE NAME OF JESUS IS applied to JEHOVAH

Jeremiah 23:5-6King James Version (KJV)
5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

Question for readers: And besides if Satan can manifest himself in a snake and King tyrus then why can't God in a man? Not to mention God is omnipresent omnipotent, and omniscient, he's everywhere, he can be in cali and in Texas, in Florida and in LA. In JESUS as the Son and in heaven as the Father.

Additionally God is the creator....JESUS is the creator...God is "I am"...JESUS is referenced as I am etc.

I'll post the list I have in notes on a reply thread didn't want to make the OP too long, but my point is you can pray to JESUS because he is the God we serve, he manifested himself in flesh.

Clarification: I'm not here to bash any other view of JESUS (would have used certain other scriptures and historical references I have if that was the case) i'm just presenting my view.

I tried to make this OP as short and simple as possible I hope it comes across that way.

There is only one intercessor between God and Man, Christ Jesus...

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Aug 4, 2017

Neogaia777 said:
There is only one intercessor between God and Man, Christ Jesus...

I'm aware of that scripture and I just edited my OP to fit intercession in (ironically before you even mentioned/replied to my post, God knows best) but can you extend a bit more? Like are you supporting what I stated or opposing it, and if opposing what are you suggesting?

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Aug 5, 2017

also gonna move this to christian and world put in wrong yeah

Neogaia777 · Aug 5, 2017

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
I'm aware of that scripture and I just edited my OP to fit intercession in (ironically before you even mentioned/replied to my post, God knows best) but can you extend a bit more? Like are you supporting what I stated or opposing it, and if opposing what are you suggesting?

I 100% agree that we should Pray to Jesus and Jesus only...

To the Father in his name is acceptable also with the realizing that it is all "through him" (Jesus)...

Neogaia777 · Aug 5, 2017

He is your/our covering, and he keeps us from dying in the Father's presence... You do not want to approach The Father without your covering, or else...

PoetStorm · Aug 5, 2017

I wrestled with this a lot. I've seen and known people who prayed direct to Jesus, but then there is the "Our Father" prayer in the bible. At the end of that prayer He teaches us, he didn't add "in my name". And He often says he does things only through the Father. But then there are other passages you listed above that seem to indicate we should ask in his name very clearly.

What I've settled on is to pray to both at the same time. I say something like "Dear Lord Jesus and Father in heaven." Best way I can reconcile all the conflicting info.

DamianWarS · Aug 5, 2017

PoetStorm said:
I wrestled with this a lot. I've seen and known people who prayed direct to Jesus, but then there is the "Our Father" prayer in the bible. At the end of that prayer He teaches us, he didn't add "in my name". And He often says he does things only through the Father. But then there are other passages you listed above that seem to indicate we should ask in his name very clearly.

What I've settled on is to pray to both at the same time. I say something like "Dear Lord Jesus and Father in heaven." Best way I can reconcile all the conflicting info.

does Jesus need to pray in his own name? Is that not implied since the speaker is Jesus?

Neogaia777 · Aug 5, 2017

PoetStorm said:
I wrestled with this a lot. I've seen and known people who prayed direct to Jesus, but then there is the "Our Father" prayer in the bible. At the end of that prayer He teaches us, he didn't add "in my name". And He often says he does things only through the Father. But then there are other passages you listed above that seem to indicate we should ask in his name very clearly.

What I've settled on is to pray to both at the same time. I say something like "Dear Lord Jesus and Father in heaven." Best way I can reconcile all the conflicting info.

Do you think God hears all of them, anyway...? Or there a way other kind of praying, like to false gods, is not heard, or heard and disregarded...

Which ones are not disregarded...?

God Bless!

PoetStorm · Aug 5, 2017

DamianWarS said:
does Jesus need to pray in his own name? Is that not implied since the speaker is Jesus?

Sorry, yeah that was confusing wasn't it.

What I meant is in that important passage where he teaches us how to pray, he doesn't directly say we should use his name, only to pray to the Father.

Neogaia777 said:
Do you think God hears all of them, anyway...? Or there a way other kind of praying, like to false gods, is not heard, or heard and disregarded...

Which ones are not disregarded...?

God Bless!

Actually, and this is just my theory, but I believe God would hear prayers to false gods, but he would know and be angered by the fact that those prayers are not for him. He knows our thoughts and our heart, so of course even if I was bowing and praying to a giant golden beetle (because clearly my imagination has a sense of humor in this late hour LOL), he would hear. But it would be wrong.

I just have hesitation. I don't want to leave out God or father in my prayer and just call to Jesus, because Jesus is really clear how important the Father is and how impossible everything would be without him.

But on the other hand, I don't want to cut out Jesus too in insult to the sacrifice he made and to circumvent His protection of us. So, it kinda leaves me in a pickle just wanting to honor and include both in my prayers, and so I do. Just my take, and I am still growing as a Christian so hope it at least makes coherent sense.

DamianWarS · Aug 5, 2017

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
Well his name Emmanual means God with us... JESUS= 100% God 100% human in Matthew 1:23 KJV

Summary: The thoughts of God (the Word or Logos) manifested in time is JESUS

John 1King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Substitute God for the Father and you get the point

John 1:14King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Additional verses:

1 John 3:16King James Version (KJV)
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Just pure reasons to believe that you can pray to JESUS and through him

Colossians 1:15King James Version (KJV)
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature

Image= stems from the greek word eikon' which essentially means the reflection of its source or having a likeness.

We see another verse that sort of emphasizes this further

Hebrews 1:3King James Version (KJV)
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

1. THE NAME OF JESUS IS applied to JEHOVAH

Jeremiah 23:5-6King James Version (KJV)
5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

Question for readers: And besides if Satan can manifest himself in a snake and King tyrus then why can't God in a man? Not to mention God is omnipresent omnipotent, and omniscient, he's everywhere, he can be in cali and in Texas, in Florida and in LA. In JESUS as the Son and in heaven as the Father.

Additionally God is the creator....JESUS is the creator...God is "I am"...JESUS is referenced as I am etc.

I'll post the list I have in notes on a reply thread didn't want to make the OP too long, but my point is you can pray to JESUS because he is the God we serve, he manifested himself in flesh. In the OT he was the Father in heaven...so high you had to offer sacrifices and go to holy preist to reach him.

But in the NT he came down and gave us a name...he became an intercessor on our behalf and is now within easy reach of any who will seek his face today.

Clarification: I'm not here to bash any other view of JESUS (would have used certain other scriptures and historical references I have if that was the case) i'm just presenting my view.

I tried to make this OP as short and simple as possible I hope it comes across that way.

as per the original topic where this came from I appreciate your willingness to create your own thread on a digressed or a controversial topic however I don't see your position as either of these and you are welcome to continue this conversation back at the other thread. My highlights on the topic are about the focus of the Father in prayer that Jesus has in the Gospels... the most identifiable of course is Jesus saying "When we pray, say Our Father..."

brinny · Aug 5, 2017

DamianWarS said:
as per the original topic where this came from I appreciate your willingness to create your own thread on a digressed or a controversial topic however I don't see your position as either of these and you are welcome to continue this conversation back at the other thread. My highlights on the topic are about the focus of the Father in prayer that Jesus has in the Gospels... the most identifiable of course is Jesus saying "When we pray, say Our Father..."

the most identifiable of course is Jesus saying "When we pray, say Our Father...

Good point.

Amen.

God bless us, ev'ry one :groupray:

SkyWriting · Aug 5, 2017

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
Why you should pray to JESUS

Summary: The thoughts of God (the Word or Logos) manifested in time is JESUS

John 1King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Substitute God for the Father and you get the point

John 1:14King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Additional verses:

1 John 3:16King James Version (KJV)
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Just pure reasons to believe that you can pray to JESUS and through him

Colossians 1:15King James Version (KJV)
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature

Image= stems from the greek word eikon' which essentially means the reflection of its source or having a likeness.

We see another verse that sort of emphasizes this further

Hebrews 1:3King James Version (KJV)
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

1. THE NAME OF JESUS IS applied to JEHOVAH

Jeremiah 23:5-6King James Version (KJV)
5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

Question for readers: And besides if Satan can manifest himself in a snake and King tyrus then why can't God in a man? Not to mention God is omnipresent omnipotent, and omniscient, he's everywhere, he can be in cali and in Texas, in Florida and in LA. In JESUS as the Son and in heaven as the Father.

Additionally God is the creator....JESUS is the creator...God is "I am"...JESUS is referenced as I am etc.

I'll post the list I have in notes on a reply thread didn't want to make the OP too long, but my point is you can pray to JESUS because he is the God we serve, he manifested himself in flesh. In the OT he was the Father in heaven...so high you had to offer sacrifices and go to holy preist to reach him.

But in the NT he came down and gave us a name...he became an intercessor on our behalf and is now within easy reach of any who will seek his face today.

Clarification: I'm not here to bash any other view of JESUS (would have used certain other scriptures and historical references I have if that was the case) i'm just presenting my view.

I tried to make this OP as short and simple as possible I hope it comes across that way.

And this is why you are mistaken:

Matthew 6
9 So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name,
10Your kingdom come,
Your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread,
12And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors;
13And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.’a

Luke 11
1One day in a place where Jesus had just finished praying, one of His disciples requested, “Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples.”
2So Jesus told them, “When you pray, say:
‘Father,a hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.b
3Give us each day our daily bread.
4And forgive us our sins,
for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.
And lead us not into temptation.’”c

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Aug 5, 2017

DamianWarS said:
as per the original topic where this came from I appreciate your willingness to create your own thread on a digressed or a controversial topic however I don't see your position as either of these and you are welcome to continue this conversation back at the other thread. My highlights on the topic are about the focus of the Father in prayer that Jesus has in the Gospels... the most identifiable of course is Jesus saying "When we pray, say Our Father..."

And the name the father has given us to addrsss him as is Jesus. We can still call him God but he manifested himself as the son to give us a easy way of reaching him through his name Jesus. Instead of saying Jehovah this and Jehovah that and making sacrifices and talking to high priest we now have a name that gives us easy access to Him in the NT. The Bible even says there salvation no other name where we can be saved and we are even told to be baptized in Jesus name.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Aug 5, 2017

SkyWriting said:
And this is why you are mistaken:

Matthew 6
9 So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name,
10Your kingdom come,
Your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread,
12And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors;
13And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.’a

Luke 11
1One day in a place where Jesus had just finished praying, one of His disciples requested, “Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples.”
2So Jesus told them, “When you pray, say:
‘Father,a hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.b
3Give us each day our daily bread.
4And forgive us our sins,
for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.
And lead us not into temptation.’”c

And the name of the father is Jesus.... I'm not sure how this scripture does anything for you. Everyone of every faith knows it and goes by it... just you quoting something I've known since being a kid doesn't do anything for you in this discussion. At least explain its significance

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Aug 5, 2017

PoetStorm said:
I wrestled with this a lot. I've seen and known people who prayed direct to Jesus, but then there is the "Our Father" prayer in the bible. At the end of that prayer He teaches us, he didn't add "in my name". And He often says he does things only through the Father. But then there are other passages you listed above that seem to indicate we should ask in his name very clearly.

What I've settled on is to pray to both at the same time. I say something like "Dear Lord Jesus and Father in heaven." Best way I can reconcile all the conflicting info.

I've come to the conclusion that since he was 100% man and 100% God and he humbled himself he was often times operating as the man. So he would provide an example by praying to the father (himself ironically) above. The people in acts baptized in Jesus name as well and even say in the name of the father, son, and Holy Ghost and if you took any English course you can conclude that that's addressing one person. If it was addressing multiple it would say name of the father, name of the son, and name of the Holy Ghost. So this all only confirms for me that there's nothing wrong with addressing God as Jesus or God or father they are all of the same person. When you say Jesus you're talking to God, Jehovah this you're talking to God, Emmanuel you're talking to God, etc. these are all names that address one being. And besides for me it's the more logically sound then 3 persons in one being... and less confusing by a long shot logically and biblical espsicully in the Ot. If you read the Ot it really takes away from the concept of the Holy Spirit and father and son being co-equal Jehovah is mentioned more then any of the others.

Phantasman · Aug 5, 2017

Guess I'll just throw this verse out.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

And

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Jesus said his Father was greater than him. I understand what he said when he said no one comes to the Father but by him. HE glorified his the Father's name (made him known) and was killed because of it.

Paul:
We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

I see nothing in Christian scripture (Canon or non) that says to pray "to" the son, Jesus or anything but the Father. Jesus prayed to his Father.

Here's something you won't read in the "Bible":

Therefore, obey me, my brothers. Understand what the great light is. The Father does not need me. For a father does not need a son, but it is the son who needs the father. To him I am going, for the Father of the Son is not in need of you.- Secret Book of James

Truth. If God the Father wanted to, he could change everything with a mere thought. He needs nothing.

It is through his love and patience that things are the way they are. He (and the Holy Spirit) begot Christ, not become him.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Aug 5, 2017

Phantasman said:
Guess I'll just throw this verse out.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

And

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Jesus said his Father was greater than him. I understand what he said when he said no one comes to the Father but by him. HE glorified his the Father's name (made him known) and was killed because of it.

Paul:
We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

I see nothing in Christian scripture (Canon or non) that says to pray "to" the son, Jesus or anything but the Father. Jesus prayed to his Father.

Here's something you won't read in the "Bible":

Therefore, obey me, my brothers. Understand what the great light is. The Father does not need me. For a father does not need a son, but it is the son who needs the father. To him I am going, for the Father of the Son is not in need of you.- Secret Book of James

Truth. If God the Father wanted to, he could change everything with a mere thought. He needs nothing.

It is through his love and patience that things are the way they are. He (and the Holy Spirit) begot Christ, not become him.

As this discussion goes on each response improves in that it begins to address the OP more.

You're the closest so far but your reply is still missing something...it doesn't address any of the verses or statements made in my OP. In any discussion the key to persuading someone of an alternative view is to dismantle their own case...not just present another one that doesn't directly address the one I presented. Someone has yet to directly address my OP or the verses in the reply under the OP. What is important to understand is you can present other verses that seem to say something else to you....but if you don't address verses that are saying something opposite to what you are saying...it just makes the bible seemingly contradict itself. It makes it seem like one verse is saying this and another that. So the person addressing an OP always has the burden of directly addressing the OP as well as emphasizing the point they are presenting.

Regardless I will address what you presented as I stated it was still impressive and my response will still end up being longer than my OP prob tbh. At least you extended your point...some didn't do that they just quoted a bible verse. I'm only going to address some of your reply because the top half I already addressed with a reply to another persons reply. You can read my replies before this one to see me address the name of the Father.

YOu said this: Jesus said his Father was greater than him. I understand what he said when he said no one comes to the Father but by him. HE glorified his the Father's name (made him known) and was killed because of it.

I'm going to address this statement you made with teh following points.

1. JESUS has all authority so to suggest the Father was another being higher than him doesn't fit

Matthew 28:18King James Version (KJV)
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
John 10:28King James Version (KJV)
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

2. My list which shows JESUS has as much authority and power becuase they are one in the same

HEre is the list I mentioned I would post.
Genesis 1:1 (God is the Creator) - John 1:3-10 (Jesus is the Creator)

Genesis 17:1 (The Almighty is God) - Rev. 1:8 (Jesus is the Almighty)

Exodus 3:14 (The "I am" is God) - John 8:58 (Jesus is the "I am")

Deut. 10:17(The Lord of Lords is God) - Rev. 19:16 (Jesus is Lord of Lords)

Psalms 18:31 (The Rock is God) - I Corinthians 10:4 (Jesus is the Rock)

Psalms 146:10 (God shall reign forever)- Luke 1:33 (Jesus will reign forever)

Isaiah 40:11 (The Shepherd is God) - John 10:16 (Jesus is the Shepherd)

Isaiah 41:14 (The Redeemer is God) - Luke 1:68 (Jesus is the Redeemer)

Isaiah 43:10 (God said, “I am he”) - John 8:24 (Jesus said, “I am he”)

Isaiah 43:10,11 (God is the Saviour) - Luke 2:11 (Jesus is the Saviour)

Isaiah 43:15 (The Holy One is God) - Acts 3:14 (Jesus is the Holy One)

Isaiah 43:15(God is King of Israel) - Matt. 27:37(Jesus is King of Israel)

Isaiah 45:21 (The One Saviour is God) - Acts 4:12 (Jesus is the One Saviour)

Isaiah 43:10,11(God is the only Saviour)- Titus 1:4(Jesus is the only Saviour)

Isa, 44:6(The first and last is God) - Rev. 1:8, 22:13(Jesus is first and last)

Isa. 44:6 (The King of Israel is God) - John 1:49 (Jesus is King of Israel)

Isa. 45:23(Every knee must bow-God) - Phil. 2:10-11(Every knee must bow-Jesus)

Jeremiah 31:32 (God, the One Husband) - II Cor. 11:2 (Jesus-The One Husband)

Psalms 22:16 (they pierced my hands and my feet.)

Zechariah 12:10 (They pierced me - God)- John 19:34 (They pierced Jesus)

Zechariah 14:4-5 (God is coming) - Matthew 25:31 (Jesus is coming)

Malachi 1:6 (The One Master is God) - Matthew 23:8 (Jesus is the One Master)

Malachi 2:10 (God is the Father) -

John 14:5-9,Isaiah 9:6, (Jesus is the Father).....

Now to address this verse you present

Colossians 1:3

“We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,”

Comment: This verse only hurts you...not sure why you quoted it.

Colossians 1:3King James Version (KJV)
3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

Comment: So there is a God, a Father, and a Lord??

And if you claim the "and" doesn't mean two different beings (it doesn't tbh and it doesn't for the verse i'm about to show you either) you would have to have to logically apply that application to verse 2 as well.

Colossians 1:2King James Version (KJV)
2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Aug 5, 2017

I would like someone to address 1 john 3:16 and at least some of my OP ? You all have done a good job addressing the topic itself but just not my OP or support for the topic. Would like to throw in this direct verse as well to go with 1 john 3:16.

1 Timothy 3:16King James Version (KJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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