Hi Bob,
So nice to see you again. I hope your day is a great one in the Lord
Hi LGW, I asked you to explain how you have come to the conclusion as to why you believe 2Cor:37-11 is referring to the new covenant. 2.
Bob, most of
post 335 above is explaining how I have come to the understanding that 2Cor 3:7-11 is referring to the New Covenant but I am happy to discuss it further if you like? The New Covenant promise from God has it's origin from the Old Testament scriptures quoted in the New (see, Eze 36:26-27; Jer 31:31-34; Heb 8:10-12; Heb 10:16-17).
Eze 36:26-27,
A
new heart also will I give you, and a
new spirit will I put within you: and I will
take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And
I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
This is what is being referenced in 2Cor 3:3 which is the
context of 2Cor 3:7-11
2Co 3:3,
For as much as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us,
written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Further context is outlined in
v6 the word "
new testament" in the Greek is διαθήκη; diathēkē ; dee-ath-ay'-kay From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically)
a contract (especially a devisory will): -
covenant, testament. So the context you can see the chapter is talking about the "New Covenant"
2Co 3:6,
Who also hath made us able ministers of the
new testament <COVENANT>;
not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.
The Old Testament dispensation was the ministration of death, but the New Testament of life.
The law made known sin, and the wrath and curse of God just like it does in the New Testament (Rom 6:23; Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4); it showed us a God above us, and a God against us; but the gospel makes known grace, and Emmanuel, God with us. Therein the righteousness of God by faith is revealed; and this shows us that the just shall live by his faith; this makes known the grace and mercy of God through Jesus Christ, for obtaining the forgiveness of sins and eternal life. The gospel so much exceeds the law in glory, that it eclipses the glory of the legal dispensation. But even the New Testament will be a killing letter, if shown as a mere system or form, and without dependence on God Word and the Holy Spirit, to give it a quickening power.
So if you take the above context of the chapter and combine it with the post 335 you have a pretty good understanding of how 2Cor 3:7-11 is referring to the "New Covenant" Hope this is helpful.
The 10cs pointed out some sins for the nation of Israel and them alone. God didn't give those commands to any other nation.
Bob, "Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. It has its origin from Gen 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel. This is God's people and today and represents anyone that is following Jesus. If we are a christian today we are part of God's spiritual Israel according to God's Word. The same New Covenant is written for God's people today who are now spiritual Israel. Scripture support;
Gal 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female:
for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Col 3:11,
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Rom 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Jer 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the
house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Heb 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the
house of Israel after those days, says the Lord;
I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
So you can see if the New Covenant is for us (Spiritual Israel) so is God's Law (10 commandments) as it is the foundation of all the covenants and also the Judgement to come.
As far as finding the plan of eternal salvation in the old covenant is concerned, I will have to say that if it is there it is hidden so that I have not seen it. You tell us in #8 of the #332 post that the Sanctuary service provides us with the plan of salvation, but you didn't go into any detail as how.
Please forgive me Bob as I assumed you already know that the laws of Moses were generally prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus. This is why they are called Shadows. They were to teach the Children of Israel under the Old Covenant about God's Plan of salvation and the role of Jesus as our Saviour. The ceremonial laws of Moses through the animal sacrifices, burnt offerings, food and drink offerings and annual feast days and Holy days where all prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus as the true Saviour from sin, our great High Priest and the true heavenly Sanctuary (see 2 Cor 5:1-4; John 1:29;36; 1Cor 5:7; Heb 2:17; 5:5;10; 6:20; 7:26; 8:2-5; 9:1-28;13:10-13 etc) . Hope this is helpful the laws of Moses are the laws that were fulfilled (Shadows) at the death of Jesus.
It was not an issue of morality. It was a ritual (ceremonial) law just like all the other special days given to Israel only. Morality laws are forever. Ritual laws are for as long as the covenant where they are found exists. The old covenant where the ritual laws are found does not exist, it is history. I pray this helps. I know where you get the bases for your posts and I also know that she was a false prophet. I have taken the time to study her writings and they come up short of being authentic.
What is a "moral law"? I am not sure what dictionary you wish you use but I think most of them from what I saw say the same thing.
"moral "ˈmɒr(ə)l/
1. adjective:
moral concerned with the principles of
right and wrong behavior; to do with
right and wrong. 2. noun:
moral standards of behaviour; principles of right and wrong. So the "Moral Law" is a law of
"right and wrong behavior". This is what God's Law (10 commandments) is. It is God's Law of right and wrong behavior. God says to His people this is His Law of right and wrong behavior.
The 4th commandment is listed in God's Law as one of God's commandments that are part of His Law that describes right and wrong behavior for God's people. It is right behavior for God's people because the God of creation the creator of all things in heaven and earth rested on the 7th Day and made this Day a Holy day (Gen 2:1-3). It was made a Holy day for mankind (Mark 2:27). It is a Holy day that God has made for his people and it is a sign that we worship the true God and creator of all things (Eze 20:20). Jesus is the creator of all things in heaven and earth. It was Jesus that made the Sabbath day a Holy day at the end of the finished work of the creation week. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath day and has commanded us to keep this day Holy as a memorial of creation and that we as his people worship the true creator.
Is the Sabbath commandment a Shadow of things to come?
This has been
clearly answered in post 325 above. The 4th commandment in God's Law (10 commandments) has
never been a Shadow. Why? Because it was part of the
FINISHED work of creation and part of the creation week in Gen 2. It was made
BEFORE the fall of mankind so not part of the ceremonial laws of Moses.
GEN 2
1Thus the heavens and the earth
were finished, and all the host of them.
2And
on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and
he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3And
God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Scripture context points:
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God finished all the work of creation on the 7th Day of the week (v1)
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God ended His Work on the 7th Day of the creation week and rested from all His work of creation, it was completed no more work required (v2)
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God blessed the 7th Day and set it apart as a holy day as a memorial of creation
Critical questions and answers:
When was God’s 7th Day Sabbath made,
before the fall of mankind or after the fall of mankind?
It was made BEFORE the fall of mankind at the end of the creation week on the 7th Day and was the result of a FINISHED work!
Was God’s work of creation a
FINISHED WORK or an
UNFUNISHED WORK?
The 7th Day Sabbath was the result of the FINISHED AND COMPLETED WORK of creation!
When were God’s Laws and the laws of Moses given, before the fall of mankind or after the fall of mankind? Obviously
AFTER the fall of mankind (Ex 20:1-17, Lev 23:1-44, etc) they were part of God’s plan of salvation.
So in summary the 7th Day Sabbath is a memorial of the FINISHED work of creation and if it is a FINISHED work and a memorial of God’s creation that was given BEFORE the FALL of mankind before SIN had entered the world and before the plan of salvation was given to FALLEN man. If it was a part of a FINISHED work then
it cannot be a Shadow of salvation because a Shadow was part of an UNFINISHED work given in the laws of Moses and was given AFTER the fall of mankind where the Sabbath was made before the fall.
My bible study with Jesus is my own study and not the study of any church, man or woman. I study God's Word for myself only asking Jesus to be my teacher (John 14:26; 16:13; 7:17; Heb 8:10-12). I only share God's Word. I believe God's Word how about you? I pray that this may be helpful for you and may lead you to Jesus like the faithful Bereans to see if these things be so.
God bless you