My YEC Evidence Challenge

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Since there are three Persons that are God, I guess Jesus is part of God also then. Hardly a tool as you suggested.

You guess?

From your link

"While the Bible says they were wiped out by the Israelites under Joshua in the land of Canaan, later passages suggest there were at least a few survivors."

Ha

So I guess when the Bible said they were all wiped out, it was wrong.

Chapter and verse where the bible says that Israel sucessfully and obediently destroyed every person in Canaan?

Deuteronomy 20:17. The order for complete destruction was clear.

The sacrificing was for them. It showed that Salvation was coming one day from the Lamb of God.

Chapter and verse where the bible says this?

Many lives are ought but a long series of miracles. It occurs to me that people who are dead to the things and life of God would not see a lot that goes on. Once people are born of the Spirit, they start to see.

In other words, once people are motivated to reach a particular conclusion, they reach that particular conclusion. Hardly a compelling argument.

Seems to me God is talking to Jacob, or Israel. It talks of the time He will bring them back to the land, and that this will glorify God.

Excuses excuses. We've already established that your opinion of the scriptures is not to be treated as the authority.

Man must serve someone...ask Bob Dylan.

Rubbish.

Jos 24:15 -And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Part of serving such gods in Cannan was sacrificing childeren...burning them alive.

"In 1955 the late Australian archaeologist John Basil Hennessy excavated a Late Bronze Age (13th century B.C.E.) building he identified as a temple near the airport in Amman, Jordan. In the center of the solidly built structure were two circular flat stones, one on top of the other, that the excavator identified as an altar with which a large number of burnt offerings were associated, including pottery, 50 pieces of gold jewelry, small bronze pins, scarabs and cylinder seals. In the words of the excavator, “The most surprising feature of all in the final analysis of the material is that the several thousands of small bone fragments are almost exclusively [over 90 percent] human … There can be little doubt that a major concern of the ritual at the Amman airport temple was the burning of human bodies.”1 Hennessey’s general impression was that the bones represented an “immature group.” One was of a youth 14 to 18 years of age."

First Person: Human Sacrifice to an Ammonite God? - Biblical Archaeology Society

Are you trying to suggest that if people don't worship your God that they will start murdering children?

Loving God as we live life and go through the day is a great thing.

This supports my position.

Love is a great thing. If that is what you mean by worship, fine. I guess you worship your mom?

I love my mum. But she didn't need to command me to love her. She's not so insecure that she feels that she must ORDER me to show her affection.

In this life as a believer we should try to do stuff that has some relation to what Jesus wants us to do.

Again, this is supporting my position.


And supporting my position yet again.

You can't, you haven't. For example, prove there was radioactive decay in the early days of earth and man? You have not done this in any way. Yet you toss out that decay as evidence. Then you can't reply when confronted and asked to support the things you offer as supposed evidences.

I have shown that there has been decay for millions of years. That fact you are so ignorant of science that you don't understand how it shows this does not invalidate it. I simply refuse to do it again because you still remain ignorant of science and you show no interest in learning.

If we believe man over God, we are not believing what He said. I am not here to discuss who or what is christian . I did mention the bible talks about the world and man being created from cover to cover. I have never seen a bible case worth beans that challenges that.

When you say something that essential is, "If you don't believe in a creation, then you're not a believer," then you are making a comment about who is included as a believer.

It is not my belief that history and the bible exist. It is not my belief that no one has proven a same state past, or that science uses a same state past in origins models. It is demonstrated fact. Since I also say science can't support either a same or different nature in the past, asking me to do so with science is disingenuous. Since you reject the bible and historical evidences, we are left with nothing but you needed to admit you don't know!

Demonstrated fact. You have never demonstrated anything of the sort. You merely repeat your claims as loudly as you can and think that makes them true.
 
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No. I would interpret it as a prophesy about when the state changes i the future and probably the continents go back together, and the mountain building we saw in the past when they separated gets reversed! In any case, mountains will be leveled one day and fast. It will be frightful for those alive on earth I suspect it may be about the time men call to the rocks to fall on them and kill them out of fear ot what is happening.

Yah huh.

When it actually happens, lemme know. Then we can talk.

Seriously, people have been predicting the end of the world like this for centuries. They've all been wrong.
 
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Hold both your hands out in front of you and open.

How many fingers do you see? ten?

Start counting them backwards.

10 ... 9 ... 8 ... 7 ... 6 ... plus the five fingers on your other hand make 11.

Your mathematical ineptitude does not count as a proof of anything.

(Of course, by your logic, I can claim that you have 19 fingers. Count backwards, starting with 10, and then you have 9 fingers left. 10+9 is 19, therefore you have 19 fingers.)
 
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Hold both your hands out in front of you and open.

How many fingers do you see? ten?

Start counting them backwards.

10 ... 9 ... 8 ... 7 ... 6 ... plus the five fingers on your other hand make 11.
Oh my!!! Now AV can't do math.
 
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Your argument is just one trying to imagine present state ways that it could happen. Pot meet kettle.

So I present an argument which is entirely compatible with everything we know about the universe, and for which there is no real world evidence against, and you accuse me of being hypcritical?

No real comparison.

Another one of dad's unsupported claims.

Total conjecture and an attempt to explain it using present nature.

And another one.

Maybe. But that seems unlikely that they would go to such ridiculous lengths to make them just to be seen on a hill.

Of course. If dad says it is unlikely, then it must be unlikely. He, after all, is the expert on these people, having studied them as closely as he has.

No real comparison.

Yeah, it's not like they are large geometrically complex shapes created on the ground that are best seen from the air directly overhead but were created without using any method of getting airborne...

Yes.

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" roughly as long as a school bus packed full of small children"
"With wings so long, though, what remained unclear was how exactly it achieved liftoff – the wings were simply too long to flap fast enough from a standstill to get airborne. "

https://www.usnews.com/news/article...-a-prehistoric-dragon-found-in-south-carolina

And what part of this, exactly, is incompatible with a present state?

Every big bird climbed a mountain or hill when wanting to fly? Ha. They couldn't even get out of the water apparently like a seagull can. So why invoke imaginary ways that they could fly in our nature?


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The Turin Kinglist, also known as the Turin Royal Canon, is a unique papyrus, written in hieratic, currently in the Egyptian Museum at Turin, to which it owes its modern name.

It is broken into over 160 often very small fragments, many of which have been lost. When it was discovered in the Theban necropolis by the Italian traveller Bernardino Drovetti in 1822, it seems to have been largely intact, but by the time it became part of the collection of the Egyptian Museum in Turin, its condition had severely deteriorated.



Turin Kinglist



The importance of this papyrus was first recognized by the French Egyptologist Jean-François Champollion, who, later followed by Gustavus Seyffarth took up its reconstruction and restoration. Although they succeeded in placing most of the fragments in the correct order, the diligent intervention of these two men came too late and many lacunae to thus important papyrus still remain.

Written during the long reign of Ramesses II, the papyrus, now estimated at 1.7m long and 0.41m high, comprises on the recto an unknown number of pages that hold a list of names of persons and institutions, along with what appears to be the tax-assessment of each.

It is, however, the verso of the papyrus that has attracted the most attention, as it contains a list of gods, demi-gods, spirits, mythical and human kings who ruled Egypt from the beginning of time presumably until the composition of this valuable document."


Egypt Kings Lists

And this document has been shown to be an accurate account how?

While not reliable for exact ages, the records definitely indicates great life spans at one time. This is evidence.

How do you know it is accurate in the claim that there were long life spans if you freely admit we can't trust the ages it gives?

Not really.

Yes really.

We don't need you to allow Scripture as evidence. Denial is futile.

Ah, so when you can't meet the challenge, you simply declare that you are going to do whatever you want and then claim you won.

That's a bit like claiming you won at chess because you got Monopoly hotels on every square.
 
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(Of course, by your logic, I can claim that you have 19 fingers. Count backwards, starting with 10, and then you have 9 fingers left. 10+9 is 19, therefore you have 19 fingers.)
Hey, that's good! I didn't think of that!
 
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Oh, Cool! :D Yet *Another* way to measure distance... I didn't know that specific method,,,
That method also needs distance to stars to get distance to other stars...etc. Same belief based hooey.
As pointed out repeatedly, we make luminosity readings for other measurements that don't rely on distance - type Ia Supernova for example, so I'm good. :)
The luminosity cannot help you if distances are not known. Period. It cannot give distances...only combining already accepted beliefs like stars on a chart that are so far away or big...etc can the info matter.

Well, we DO know because of the spectra we observe. Deal with it.
Spectra can't tell distances..you get that much?
....Again, the LIGHT is a WAVE of ENERGY in exactly the same way SOUND is a WAVE.
I thought it could behave as either wave or particle? The issue is not how it behaves here in time.

There are a few differences but the concept is applicable - the one difference we care about here is how fast they travel through a medium. If time were different there than here, then we wouldn't see the light being emitted in the first place.
Crazy claim.How would you know what no time or different time would do to light, or how fast it traveled?


Even if it were possible to stretch billions of years of expansion out into 6,000 years here, we wouldn't see anything because light would be so blueshifted entering our rate of time so much that it'd be undetectable even with special equipment we do have.

You still assume that the cause of the redshifted (or blue) light results only from a movement away or towards us in space as we know it and time though. If the light was already shifted for other reasons by the time it entered our space and time, what you say could not apply. Or, if entering our fishbowl zone caused redshifting. Or, if ..etc etc etc.

By the way, expansion is mostly based on the idea that redshift must be caused the way we see it caused on earth. If we see redshifted stars they must be moving away...since they are supposed to be so far..they must be going real fast...etc etc. The billions of years also is derived from the same belief.

Another interesting question for far far stars is could they actually exist in the future rather than the far past as you thought, based on a uniform time!? Ha. You really don't know what you are looking at.

Likewise if time there was slower, light would then redshift out of our visible spectrum and we wouldn't know about them.

The spectrum here that we see is IN time. What would cause light to appear shifted here would not be anything that our time or space would have caused. Whatever happens here is after the fact. Even if there was some shifting as you envision, we would not discern that from this end. You just don't know.

Even if after all this there was in fact some way that light could be 'translated into our time here' so it could be visible, we would be seeing everything all at once - so the occasional gravitational lensing of the same supernova event wouldn't reappear to us several years apart here as predicted, and we wouldn't be watching stellar events happen in realtime either. Spectral line of absorption wouldn't be where we see them.
No. By translating I do not mean become visible. I mean that light when in our fishbowl zone it assumes our time and space rules while here. But since you mention it, yes, there could be things in the different time zone of deep space (if time is different there) that might not BE visible here! You may have been seeing just a part of what is out there.

As for lensing appearing here years apart...that time is our time. Out there maybe it is no time or say just minutes or whatever rather than years.
Nope, it'd be exactly the same, but the effects reversed. Either way, it's too high for our visual spectrum because the light waves were compressed coming to us from a faster timeframe, or it's too low for our visual spectrum because the light waves were expanded coming to us from a slower timeframe.
False. We have no idea what light does out of our zone, as we have only seen it here!

Remember it is not a 'timeframe' as we know it. More like a time free zone.

Because it all works. If a model works, gives us predictive capability, matches observations as we make them, returns meaningful results, is verifiable using multiple methods, then you have your work cut out for you.
If we can measure a distance by parallax, then we can verify the distance with another method, say, spectrosopic parallax (Thanks for that! :D).

Circular since both methods use the same basis. The methods that are too far out for trigonometric parallax use the distances from trig parallax also.

We can then cross-check that yet again with luminosity.
No. You can't since that requires distance also.
Show us any data from luminosity that helps you that requires no distance!

All three ways rely on different methods of measuring - Mathematics for Parallax, Atomic Theory for Spectroscopy and observation measurements for luminosity. So, if time were different there, then our spectroscopy and luminosity wouldn't read the same as Parallax.
As explained there is on basis that they all use. Atomic theory doesn't give distance. Unless you know how far away what you are seeing it, the data loses significance,


If light waves were 'translated' (or some such nonsense) from some other timeframe such that it 'looked' like it's supposed to here, then luminosity wouldn't match parallax and spectroscopy readings, and so on.

Other timeframe? If time as we knew it only existed here, why would space without time be a timeframe. Even if time were different, why would parallax or luminosity look any different to us here? By the way show an example of parallax matching luminosity?

No matter how you look at it, things would be out if you were right about there being some different time there.
No. What if light for example outside of time here were not even a wave as it is here? What if the only way we saw light here was waves? That could not tell us about light in far space. You use fishbowl rules and time to imagine what things should be like where the stars are.
All the models we have match with what we expect to see in the standard model, we see stellar objects doing things in comparable time to our own and we do this all the time.
Correction you only see them HERE IN TIME! Of course things take time here. Whatever we see from outside our time zone, is still IN time cause it must exist here to be seen.

We routinely scour the skies with ever increasing resolution telescopes and radio scope and hundreds of thousands, if not millions of astronomers, cosmologists and physicists partake in it. If there were anomalies the size and scale of what you're suggesting, we'd all be religious - but No, reality is giving us these repeatable results all the time, and you of all people think you have the answer to the question nobody needs to ask.
Absurd. Everything anyone sees is in time here. How could there be anomalies? It sure LOOKS like things take time HERE cause they do...HERE! Even when we see things from where maybe no time is, they take time HERE.

Face it, if what you say is true, then your particular creator of the universe is absolutely doing the best job ever of hiding himself and the real age of the universe from us in every conceivable way we could imagine, and then some.
We should take His word for it I guess. Or you get real confused real fast.

He very much doesn't want anything to do with us and completely and utterly wants us to not know he even exists, heck, he doesn't even want us to know he could even be involved let alone anything further...

Is that really your God?
Jesus is God and creator. We know what He was like. He came down here and let us know He exists. He gave us Scripture to tell us how we were created. When people ignore that, and gaze at stars till they get blue in the face and their minds get shortshifted, and things start to seem old and not created....don't blame God.
 
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So I present an argument which is entirely compatible with everything we know about the universe, and for which there is no real world evidence against, and you accuse me of being hypcritical?
You talked of how pyramids were built. I pointed out that it was nothing but trying to use modern laws to explain it.

Of course. If dad says it is unlikely, then it must be unlikely. He, after all, is the expert on these people, having studied them as closely as he has.

We were talking about a giant bird that couldn't get up in the air from water or the ground! I pointed out that climbing a hill or whatever each time they wanted to fly was silly and not likely.


Yeah, it's not like they are large geometrically complex shapes created on the ground that are best seen from the air directly overhead but were created without using any method of getting airborne...
Created to be seen from the air. There are planes and such that see these. One suspects if no one flew, there would be little reason to make things seen from the air.

And what part of this, exactly, is incompatible with a present state?
"With wings so long, though, what remained unclear was how exactly it achieved liftoff – the wings were simply too long to flap fast enough from a standstill to get airborne. "

And this document has been shown to be an accurate account how?

I do not use it for accuracy.


How do you know it is accurate in the claim that there were long life spans if you freely admit we can't trust the ages it gives?
It goes toward evidence. Very long life spans were recorded. That goes toward evidence. Science isn't about knowing.
 
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So I guess when the Bible said they were all wiped out, it was wrong.
Chapter and verse?

Deuteronomy 20:17. The order for complete destruction was clear.
Hey the ten commandments were clear! You think all men obeyed them?

Chapter and verse where the bible says this?
Joh 1:29 -The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

"Behold the Lamb of God, was spoken Isaiah 53:7. Jesus was the true Lamb or Sacrifice required and appointed by God, of which those offered daily in the tabernacle and temple, Exodus 29:38,39, and especially the paschal lamb, were only the types and representatives. See Exodus 12:4,5; ; 1 Corinthians 5:7. Thecontinual morning and evening sacrifice of a lamb, under the Jewish law, was intended to point out the continual efficacy of the blood of atonement: for even at the throne of God, Jesus Christ is ever represented as a lamb newly slain, Revelation 5:6. But John, pointing to Christ, calls him emphatically, the Lamb ofGod:-all the lambs which had been hitherto offered had been furnished by men: this was provided by GOD, as the only sufficient and available sacrifice for the sin of the world. In three essential respects, this lamb differed from those by which it was represented. 1st. It was the Lamb of God; the most excellent, and the most available. 2nd. It made an atonement for sin: it carried sin away in reality, the others only representatively. 3rd. It carried away the sin of the WORLD, whereas the other was offered only on behalf of the Jewish people. In Yalcut Rubeni, fol. 30, it is said, "The Messiah shall bear the sins of the Israelites." But this salvation was now to be extended to the whole world."


John - Chapter 1 - Adam Clarke Commentary on StudyLight.org


Are you trying to suggest that if people don't worship your God that they will start murdering children?
No, are you trying to suggest aliens eat kids and made your posts gibberish?


I love my mum. But she didn't need to command me to love her. She's not so insecure that she feels that she must ORDER me to show her affection.

Jesus first loved us. Like your mom. Parents order all sorts of things, not all of which are for the good of the kids. Jesus does what is best for us.


I have shown that there has been decay for millions of years.
False. Never. But for the sake of lurkers link to the post you think exists where you did!!!!!!!!!! Ha.

Lurkers...she really can't and didn't. I kid you not.
When you say something that essential is, "If you don't believe in a creation, then you're not a believer," then you are making a comment about who is included as a believer.
It is part of the everlovin everlastin gospel that God created.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters
 
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Yah huh.

When it actually happens, lemme know. Then we can talk.

Seriously, people have been predicting the end of the world like this for centuries. They've all been wrong.
No. They were all right. It will end. In due time.
 
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You talked of how pyramids were built. I pointed out that it was nothing but trying to use modern laws to explain it.

And you could do nothing but say, "Fraid Not!" as a counter-argument.

We were talking about a giant bird that couldn't get up in the air from water or the ground! I pointed out that climbing a hill or whatever each time they wanted to fly was silly and not likely.

How do you know it couldn't?

And there are plenty of seabirds that roost on cliffs so they can launch easily.

Created to be seen from the air. There are planes and such that see these. One suspects if no one flew, there would be little reason to make things seen from the air.

How do you know what they were created for?

"With wings so long, though, what remained unclear was how exactly it achieved liftoff – the wings were simply too long to flap fast enough from a standstill to get airborne. "

FROM A STANDSTILL.

Did you see that video I posted of the albatross racing across the water? Was that a video of an albatross getting into the air from a standstill? There are lots of birds that get into the air like that. In fact, birds even a little bit bigger than a pigeon or seagull can't do it, such birds need to take off like a plane, by racing along the ground first to get sufficient airflow over their wings.

I do not use it for accuracy.

So you support your argument with sources you admit are inaccurate. LOL!

It goes toward evidence. Very long life spans were recorded. That goes toward evidence. Science isn't about knowing.

No, it goes towards nothing.
 
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Chapter and verse?

Joshua 11:12.

Hey the ten commandments were clear! You think all men obeyed them?

So you are telling me that God sends his guys into battle and is satisfied when they do a half-done job?

Joh 1:29 -The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

"Behold the Lamb of God, was spoken Isaiah 53:7. Jesus was the true Lamb or Sacrifice required and appointed by God, of which those offered daily in the tabernacle and temple, Exodus 29:38,39, and especially the paschal lamb, were only the types and representatives. See Exodus 12:4,5; ; 1 Corinthians 5:7. Thecontinual morning and evening sacrifice of a lamb, under the Jewish law, was intended to point out the continual efficacy of the blood of atonement: for even at the throne of God, Jesus Christ is ever represented as a lamb newly slain, Revelation 5:6. But John, pointing to Christ, calls him emphatically, the Lamb ofGod:-all the lambs which had been hitherto offered had been furnished by men: this was provided by GOD, as the only sufficient and available sacrifice for the sin of the world. In three essential respects, this lamb differed from those by which it was represented. 1st. It was the Lamb of God; the most excellent, and the most available. 2nd. It made an atonement for sin: it carried sin away in reality, the others only representatively. 3rd. It carried away the sin of the WORLD, whereas the other was offered only on behalf of the Jewish people. In Yalcut Rubeni, fol. 30, it is said, "The Messiah shall bear the sins of the Israelites." But this salvation was now to be extended to the whole world."


John - Chapter 1 - Adam Clarke Commentary on StudyLight.org

So why didn't God just do this from the start? Why the thousands of years messing around with the slaughter of animals?

No, are you trying to suggest aliens eat kids and made your posts gibberish?

If anything, this question from you is gibberish. How in the world did you get anything like this from anything I said?

Jesus first loved us. Like your mom. Parents order all sorts of things, not all of which are for the good of the kids. Jesus does what is best for us.

Yeah. I guess when he lets all those kids in Africa die slowly of starvation while he helps the soccer mum find her car keys, that's all Jesus just doing what's best for the kids.

False. Never. But for the sake of lurkers link to the post you think exists where you did!!!!!!!!!! Ha.

Lurkers...she really can't and didn't. I kid you not.

See? Told you that you couldn't recognize it! Thanks for proving me right!

It is part of the everlovin everlastin gospel that God created.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters

Now, let me ask you a simple question here.

If someone claims to be a believer, but also claims they accept the scientific explanation of how the universe came to be the way it is instead of the Biblical account, do you think that person is a Christian or not?

Option 1: That person is a Christian.
Option 2: That person is not a Christian.

Which one, dad? 1 or 2?
 
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No. They were all right. It will end. In due time.

Of course dad. All the people in this list were absolutely correct...

66–70 Simon bar Giora, Jewish Essenes The Jewish Essene sect of ascetics saw the Jewish revolt against the Romans in 66–70 in Judea as the final end-time battle which would bring about the arrival of the Messiah. By the authority of Simon, coins were minted declaring the redemption of Israel. [1][2][3]
365 Hilary of Poitiers The early French bishop announced the end of the world would happen during this year. [4]:30
375–400 Martin of Tours The French bishop stated that the world would end before 400 AD, writing, "There is no doubt that the Antichrist has already been born. Firmly established already in his early years, he will, after reaching maturity, achieve supreme power." [5][6]:119
500 Hippolytus of Rome, Sextus Julius Africanus, Irenaeus All three predicted Jesus would return in this year with one of the predictions being based on the dimensions of Noah's ark. [4]:31[7]:35
793 Apr 6 Beatus of Liébana The Spanish monk prophesied the second coming of Christ and the end of the world on that day in front of a large crowd of people. [4]:31
800 Sextus Julius Africanus Sextus Julius Africanus revised the date of Doomsday to the year 800. [8]:37
799–806 Gregory of Tours The French bishop calculated the End would occur between the years 799 and 806. [9]:48
848 Thiota Declared that the world would end during this year. [6]:337
992–995 Various Christians Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times, within 3 years. [10]:236
1000 Jan 1 Pope Sylvester II The Millennium Apocalypse at the end of the Christian Millennium. Various Christian clerics predicted the end of the world on this date, including Pope Sylvester II. Riots occurred in Europe and pilgrims headed east to Jerusalem. [4]:32[7]:35–36
1033 Various Christians Following the failure of the January 1, 1000 prediction, some theorists proposed that the end would occur 1000 years after Jesus' death, instead of his birth. [4]:31[7]:36[11]
late 1000s Various Christians Leading up to the Crusades, many people made pilgrimage to Jerusalem in hope of being saved, for the "dread day of wrath was upon them: men no longer tilled the earth, fearing the end of all things". [12]
1260 Joachim of Fiore The Italian mystic determined that the Millennium would begin between the years 1200 and 1260. [8]:48
1284 Pope Innocent III Pope Innocent III (d. 1216) predicted that the world would end 666 years after the rise of Islam. [5]
1290
1335 Joachimites The followers of Joachim of Fiore rescheduled the end of the world to 1290 and then again to 1335 when his 1260 prophecy failed. [13]:58
1346–1351 Various Europeans The black plague spreading across Europe was interpreted by many as the sign of the end of times. [4]:33[14]
1370 Jean de Roquetaillade The Antichrist was to come in 1366 and the Millennium would begin either in 1368 or 1370. [9]:55
1378 Arnaldus de Villa Nova This Joachite wrote that the Antichrist was to come during this year. [13]:62
1504 Sandro Botticelli Believed he was living during the Tribulation, and that the Millennium would begin in three and a half years from 1500. Wrote into his painting The Mystical Nativity that the Devil was loose and would soon be chained. [9]:60[15]
1524 Feb 1 London astrologers A group of astrologers in London predicted the world would end by a flood starting in London, based on calculations made the previous June. 20,000 Londoners left their homes and headed for higher ground in anticipation. [10]:236–237[16]
1524 Feb 20 Johannes Stöffler A planetary alignment in Pisces was seen by this astrologer as a sign of the Millennium. [10]:236–237
1524–1526 Thomas Müntzer 1525 would mark the beginning of the Millennium, according to this Anabaptist. His followers were killed by cannon fire in an uneven battle with government troops. He died under torture and was beheaded. [7]:36[17]:48
1528 May 27 Hans Hut Predicted the end would occur on this day. [9]:67
1528 Johannes Stöffler Revised date from Stöffler after his 1524 prediction failed to come true. [10]:238
1533 Oct 19 Michael Stifel This mathematician calculated that Judgement Day would begin at 8:00am on this day. [13]:88
1533 Melchior Hoffman This Anabaptist prophet predicted Christ's Second Coming to take place this year in Strasbourg. He claimed that 144,000 people would be saved, while the rest of the world would be consumed by fire. [8]:59
1534 Apr 5 Jan Matthys Predicted that the Apocalypse would take place on this day and only the city of Münster would be spared. [6]:338
1555 Pierre d'Ailly Around the year 1400, this French theologian wrote that 6845 years of human history had already passed, and the end of the world would be in the 7000th year. [13]:72
1585 Michael Servetus In his book The Restoration of Christianity, the Spanish born reformer claimed that the Devil's reign in this world had started in 325 AD, at the Council of Nicea, and would last for 1260 years, thus ending in 1585. [18]
1588 Regiomontanus Predicted the end of the world during this year. [10]:239
1600 Martin Luther Predicted the end of the world would occur no later than 1600. [9]:66
1624 Feb 1 London astrologers The same astrologers who predicted the deluge of February 1, 1524 recalculated the date to February 1, 1624 after their first prophecy failed. [10]:236–237[16]
1648 Sabbatai Zevi Using the kabbalah, this rabbi from Smyrna, Turkey, proclaimed that the Messiah would come during that year. [10]:239
1651 unknown author from Lübeck, Germany The apocalypse maps tell of an Antichrist, the rise of Islam and other events following Judgement Day that was predicted to occur in 1651. [19][20][21][22][23]
1654 Helisaeus Roeslin This physician made a prediction that the world would end this year based on a nova that occurred in 1572. [10]:240
1656 Christopher Columbus In his Book of Prophecies (1501), Columbus predicted that the world would end during this year. [24][25]
1657 Fifth Monarchists This group of radical Christians predicted that the final apocalyptic battle and the destruction of the Antichrist were to take place between 1655 and 1657. [8]:67
1658 Christopher Columbus Columbus claimed that the world was created in 5343 BC, and would last 7000 years. Assuming no year zero, that means the end would come in 1658. [13]:77
1660 Joseph Mede Mede claimed that the Antichrist had appeared in 456, and the end would come in 1660. [13]:147
1666 Sabbatai Zevi Following his failed prediction of 1648, Zevi recalculated the end of the Earth for this year. [10]:239
Fifth Monarchists The presence of 666 in the date, the death of 100,000 Londoners to bubonic plague, and the Great Fire of London led to superstitious fears of the end of the world from some Christians. [7]:36–37[26]:87
1673 William Aspinwall This Fifth Monarchist claimed the Millennium would begin by this year. [6]:209
1688 John Napier This mathematician calculated the end of the world would be this year based on calculations from the Book of Revelation. [9]:92
1689 Pierre Jurieu This prophet predicted that Judgement Day would occur this year. [8]:70
1694 John Mason This Anglican priest predicted the Millennium would begin by this year. [8]:72
Johann Heinrich Alsted Predicted the Millennium would begin by this year. [8]:66
Johann Jacob Zimmermann Believed that Jesus would return and the world would end this year. [27]:19–20
1697 Cotton Mather This Puritan minister predicted the world would end this year. After the prediction failed, he revised the date of the End two more times. [6]:338
1700 John Napier After his 1688 prediction failed to come true, Napier revised his end of the world prediction to this year. [9]:92
Henry Archer In his 1642 work, The Personall Reigne of Christ Upon Earth, Archer predicted the second coming of Jesus would occur in approximately this year. [28]
1705
1706
1708 Camisards Camisard prophets predicted the end of the world would occur in either 1705, 1706 or 1708. [8]:70
1716 Cotton Mather Revised prediction from Mather after his 1697 prediction failed to come true. [6]:338
1719 Apr 5 Jacob Bernoulli This mathematician predicted a comet would destroy the Earth on this day. [10]:240
1700–1734 Nicholas of Cusa This Cardinal predicted the end would occur between 1700 and 1734. [13]:73
1736 Oct 16 William Whiston Whiston predicted a comet colliding with the Earth this year. [29]
1736 Cotton Mather Mather's third and final prediction for the end of the world. [6]:338
1757 Emanuel Swedenborg Swedenborg claimed that the Last Judgement occurred in the spiritual world this year. [30]
1780 May 19 Connecticut General Assemblymembers, New Englanders The sky turning dark during the day was interpreted as a sign of the end times. The primary cause of the event is believed to have been a combination of smoke from forest fires, a thick fog, and cloud cover. [31][32]
1789 Pierre d'Ailly The year 1789 would bring the coming of the Antichrist, according to this 14th-century Cardinal. [9]:59
1792
1794 Shakers Predicted the world would end in both the years 1792 and 1794. [6]:338
1795 Nov 19 Nathaniel Brassey Halhed While campaigning for Richard Brothers' release, Halhead proclaimed that the world would end on this day. [13]:310
1793–1795 Richard Brothers This retired sailor stated the Millennium would begin between the years 1793 and 1795. He was eventually committed to an insane asylum. [13]:73
1805 Christopher Love This Presbyterian minister predicted the destruction of the world by earthquake in 1805, followed by an age of everlasting peace when God would be known by all. [26]:101
1806 Mary Bateman In Leeds, England in 1806 a hen began laying eggs on which the phrase "Christ is coming" was written. Eventually it was discovered to be a hoax. The owner, Mary Bateman, had written on the eggs in a corrosive ink so as to etch the eggs, and reinserted the eggs back into the hen's oviduct. [7]:37[33][34]
1814 Oct 19 Joanna Southcott This 64-year-old self-described prophet claimed she was pregnant with the Christ child, and that he would be born on Oct 19, 1814. She died later that year having not delivered a child, and an autopsy proved she had not been pregnant. [35]
1836 Johann Albrecht Bengel In the 1730s he proclaimed that, based on a careful study of the prophecies of the Bible, Judgment Day would come in 1836, with the Pope as the anti-Christ and the Freemasonsrepresenting the "false prophet" of Revelations. [36]
1836 John Wesley Wesley, the founder of the Methodist Church, foresaw the Millennium beginning this year. He wrote that Revelation 12:14 referred to the years 1058–1836, "when Christ should come". [7]:37[13]:269[37]
1843 Apr 28
1843 Dec 31 Millerites Although it was not officially endorsed by their leadership, many Millerites expected the Second Coming to occur on April 28 or at the end of 1843. [38]:16
1843 Harriet Livermore The first of two years this preacher predicted the world would end. [13]:699
1844 Mar 21 William Miller Miller predicted Christ would return on this day. [38]:17
1844 Oct 22 Millerites After Christ did not return on March 21, 1844, the Millerites then revised William Miller's prediction to October 22, 1844, claiming to have miscalculated Scripture. The realization that the predictions were incorrect resulted in the Great Disappointment. [7]:38[38]:17[39]
1847 Aug 7 George Rapp Rapp, the founder of the Harmony Society, preached that Jesus would return in his lifetime, even as he lay dying on August 7, 1847. [27]:23
1847 Harriet Livermore The second prediction of the end of the world from this preacher. [13]:699
1853–1856 Various Many people[who?] thought the Crimean War was the Battle of Armageddon. [13]:437
1862 John Cumming This Scottish clergyman stated it was 6000 years since Creation in 1862, and that the world would end. [6]:283
Joseph Morris An English convert to Mormonism, Morris had revelations to gather his followers and wait for the Second Coming, through successive prophesied days. [40]
1863 John Wroe The founder of the Christian Israelite Church calculated that the Millennium would begin this year. [35]
1873 Jonas Wendell In 1870, Wendell published his views in the booklet entitled The Present Truth, or Meat in Due Season concluding that the Second Advent was sure to occur in 1873. [41]
1874 Charles Taze Russell Predicted the return of Jesus to occur in 1874, and after this date reinterpreted the prediction to say that Jesus had indeed returned in invisible form. [42][43]
1875-1925 Wilford Woodruff President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, "[...] the Lord has not revealed to man the day or the hour, but he has revealed the generation [...] It is my faith that hundreds and thousands of the children that have been given to us will be alive in the flesh when Christ comes in the clouds of heaven in power and great glory." Historical life expectancy for Americans in 1875 was 50 years. [44]
1881 Mother Shipton (attrib.) This 15th-century prophet was quoted as saying "The world to an end shall come, In eighteen hundred and eighty one" in a book published in 1862. In 1873 it was revealed to be a forgery; however, this did not stop some people from expecting the end. [10]:243
1890 Wovoka The founder of the Ghost Dance movement predicted in 1889 that the Millennium would occur in 1890. [17]:69
1901 Catholic Apostolic Church This church, founded in 1831, claimed that Jesus would return by the time the last of its 12 founding members died. The last member died in 1901. [45]:87
1910 Camille Flammarion He predicted that the 1910 appearance of Halley's Comet "would impregnate that atmosphere and possibly snuff out all life on the planet", but not the planet itself. "Comet pills" were sold to protect against toxic gases. The comet indicated the Second Coming to many. [7]:38[46]
1892–1911 Charles Piazzi Smyth This pyramidologist concluded from his research on the dimensions of the Great Pyramid of Giza that the Second Coming would occur somewhere between the years 1892 and 1911. [27]:94
1914 Charles Taze Russell "...the battle of the great day of God Almighty… The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874." [47]
1915 John Chilembwe This Baptist educator and leader of a rebellion in the British protectorate of Nyasaland predicted the Millennium would begin this year. [17]:69
1918 International Bible Students Association "Christendom shall be cut off and glorification of the Little Flock (The Church) in the Spring of 1918 A. D." [48][49]
1920 International Bible Students Association In 1918, Christendom would go down as a system to oblivion and be succeeded by revolutionary governments. God would "destroy the churches wholesale and the church members by the millions." Church members would "perish by the sword of war, revolution and anarchy." The dead would lie unburied. In 1920 all earthly governments would disappear, with worldwide anarchy prevailing. [50]
1925 Feb 13 Margaret Rowen According to this Seventh-Day Adventist, the angel Gabriel appeared before her in a vision and told her that the world would end at midnight on this date. [6]:45
1926 Spencer Perceval (Junior) Son of the former Prime Minister of Britain and one of the 12 Apostles of the Catholic Apostolic Church. He believed that the world was growing nearer and nearer to the Apocalypse due to what he viewed as the rampant immorality of the times in Europe. [51]
1935 Sep Wilbur Glenn Voliva This evangelist announced that "the world is going to go 'puff' and disappear" in September 1935. [6]:287
1936 Herbert W. Armstrong The founder of the Worldwide Church of God told members of his church that the Rapture was to take place in 1936, and that only they would saved. After the prophecy failed, he changed the date three more times. [52]:99
1941 Jehovah's Witnesses A prediction of the end from the Jehovah's Witnesses, a group which branched from the Bible Student movement. [52]:72
1943 Herbert W. Armstrong The first of three revised dates from Armstrong after his 1936 prediction failed to come true. [52]:99
1947 John Ballou Newbrough The author of Oahspe: A New Bible foresaw the destruction of all nations and the beginning of post-apocalyptic anarchy in this year. [10]:243
1954 Dec 21 Dorothy Martin The world was to be destroyed by terrible flooding on this date, claimed this leader of a UFO cult called Brotherhood of the Seven Rays. The fallout of the group after the prediction failed was the basis for the 1956 book When Prophecy Fails. [53]
1959 Apr 22 Florence Houteff The 2nd Prophet of the Branch Davidians predicted the apocalypse foretold in the Book of Revelation would proceed on this date. The failure of the prophecy led to the split of the sect into several subsects, the most prominent led by Benjamin and Lois Roden. [54]
1962 Feb 4 Jeane Dixon, various Indian astrologers Dixon predicted a planetary alignment on this day was to bring destruction to the world. Mass prayer meetings were held in India. [6]:340[55][56]
1967 Aug 20 George Van Tassel This day would mark the beginning of the third woe of the Apocalypse, during which the southeastern US would be destroyed by a Soviet nuclear attack, according to this UFO prophet, who claimed to have channeled an alien named Ashtar. [57]:145
1967 Jim Jones The founder of the People's Temple stated he had visions that a nuclear holocaust was to take place in 1967. [9]:214
1969 Aug 9 George Williams The founder of the Church of the Firstborn predicted the Second Coming of Christ would occur on this day. [58]:77
1969 Charles Manson Manson predicted that an apocalyptic race war would occur in 1969 and ordered the Tate-LaBianca murders in an attempt to bring it about. Manson based his prediction on his interpretation of The Beatles' self-titled album. [59]
1972 Herbert W. Armstrong The second of three revised dates from Armstrong after his 1936 and 1943 predictions failed to come true. [52]:99
1974 Jan 11–21 David Berg Berg, the leader of Children of God, predicted that there would be a colossal doomsday event heralded by Comet Kohoutek. [60][61]
1975 Herbert W. Armstrong Armstrong's fourth and final prediction. [52]:99
Jehovah's Witnesses From 1966 on, Jehovah's Witnesses published articles which stated that the fall of 1975 would be 6000 years since man's creation, and suggested that Armageddon could be finished by then. More details. [62][63]
1976 Lekhraj Kirpalani Lekhraj Kirpalani's third prediction.
Brahma Kumaris The Brahma Kumaris founder, Lekhraj Kirpalani, has made a number of predictions of a global Armageddon which the religion believes it will inspire, internally calling it "Destruction" but externally presenting it as "Transformation". During Destruction, Brahma Kumari leaders teach the world will be purified, all of the rest of humanity killed by nuclear or civil wars and natural disasters which will include the sinking of all other continents except India. All other religions will also be destroyed, so that they alone will inherit the Earth for 2,500 years. These predictions are generally hidden from outsiders and, as they have failed, have been removed from their literature. [64][65]
1977 John Wroe The founder of the Christian Israelite Church predicted this year for Armageddon to occur. [10]:243
William M. Branham This Christian minister predicted the Rapture would occur no later than the year 1977. [66]
1980 Leland Jensen In 1978 Jensen predicted that there would be a nuclear disaster in 1980, followed by two decades of conflict, culminating in God's Kingdom being established on Earth. [67]
1981 Chuck Smith The founder of Calvary Chapel predicted the generation of 1948 would be the last generation, and that the world would end by 1981. Smith identified that he "could be wrong" but continued to say in the same sentence that his prediction was "a deep conviction in my heart, and all my plans are predicated upon that belief." [68][69]
1982 Apr–Jun Tara Centers Full-page ads in many newspapers April 24–25, 1982, stated that "The Christ is Now Here!" and that he would make himself known "within the next two months". [7]:39
1982 Mar 10 John Gribbin, Stephen Plagemann Predicted in their 1974 book The Jupiter Effect that combined gravitational forces of aligned planets would create a number of catastrophes, including a great earthquake on the San Andreas Fault. [6]:62[46]
1982 Jun 21 Benjamin Creme Creme took out an ad in the Los Angeles Times stating that the Second Coming would occur in June 1982 with the Maitreya announcing it on worldwide television. [70]
1982 Pat Robertson In late 1976 on his 700 Club TV programme, Robertson predicted that the end of the world would come in this year. [71][72]
1985 Lester Sumrall This minister predicted the end in this year, even writing a book about it entitled I Predict 1985. [6]:99
1986 Apr 29 Leland Jensen Jensen predicted that Halley's Comet would be pulled into Earth's orbit on April 29, 1986, causing widespread destruction. [58]:73, 76
1987 Aug 17 José Argüelles Argüelles claimed that Armageddon would take place unless 144,000 people gathered in certain places across the world in order to "resonate in harmony" on this day. [8]:156
1988 Sep 13
1988 Oct 3 Edgar C. Whisenant Whisenant predicted in his book 88 Reasons Why the Rapture Could Be in 1988 that the Rapture of the Christian Church would occur between September 11–13, 1988. After his September predictions failed to come true, Whisenant revised his prediction date to October 3. [6]:93[73]
1989 Sep 30 Edgar C. Whisenant After all his 1988 predictions failed to come true, Whisenant revised his prediction date to this day. [6]:93
1990 Apr 23 Elizabeth Clare Prophet Prophet predicted a nuclear war would start on this day, with the world ending 12 years later, leading her followers to stockpile a shelter with supplies and weapons. Later, after Prophet's prediction did not come to pass, she was diagnosed with epilepsy and Alzheimer's disease. [4]:61[74]
1991 Sep 9 Menachem Mendel Schneerson This Russian-born rabbi called for the Messiah to come by the start of the Jewish New Year. [7]:40
1991 Louis Farrakhan The leader of the Nation of Islam declared that the Gulf War would be the "War of Armageddon which is the final war." [6]:307
1992 Sep 28 Rollen Stewart This born-again Christian predicted the Rapture would take place on this day. [75]
1992 Oct 28 Lee Jang Rim

(이장림 or 李長林)

Lee, the leader of the Dami Mission church, predicted the rapture would occur on this day.
[76]

1993 David Berg Berg predicted the tribulation would start in 1989 and that the Second Coming would take place in 1993. [8]:145
1994 May 2 Neal Chase This Bahá'í sect leader predicted that New York would be destroyed by a nuclear bomb on March 23, 1994, and the Battle of Armageddon would take place 40 days later. [58]:79
1994 Sep 6
1994 Sep 29
1994 Oct 2 Harold Camping Camping predicted the Rapture would occur on September 6, 1994. When it failed to occur he revised the date to September 29 and then to October 2. [6]:95[77]
1995 Mar 31 Harold Camping Camping's fourth predicted date for the end. This would be Camping's last prediction until 2011. [6]:95
1996 Dec 17 Sheldan Nidle Californian psychic Sheldan Nidle predicted that the world would end on this date, with the arrival of 16 million space ships and a host of angels. [78]
1997 Mar 26 Marshall Applewhite Applewhite, leader of the Heaven's Gate cult, claimed that a spacecraft was trailing the Comet Hale-Bopp and argued that suicide was "the only way to evacuate this Earth" so that the cult members' souls could board the supposed craft and be taken to another "level of existence above human". Applewhite and 38 of his followers committed mass suicide. [79]
1997 Aug 10 Aggai The 1st-century bishop of Edessa predicted this date to be the birth date of the Antichrist and the end of the universe. [17]:72
1997 Oct 23 James Ussher This 17th-century Irish archbishop predicted this date to be 6000 years since Creation, and therefore the end of the world. [17]:68
1998 Mar 31 Chen Tao
(陳恆明)

Hon-Ming Chen, leader of the Taiwanese cult God's Salvation Church, or Chen Tao – "The True Way" – claimed that God would come to Earth in a flying saucer at 10:00 am on this date. Moreover, God would have the same physical appearance as Chen himself. Chen chose to base his cult in Garland, Texas, because he thought it sounded like "God's Land." On March 25, God was to appear on Channel 18 on every TV set in the US. [7]:43[80]
1999 Jul Nostradamus A prediction attributed to Nostradamus stating the "King of Terror" would come from the sky in "1999 and seven months" led to fears of the end. [81]
1999 Aug 18 The Amazing Criswell The predicted date of the end of the world, according to this psychic well known for predictions. [6]:43
1999 Sep 11 Philip Berg Berg, dean of the worldwide Kabbalah Centre, stated that on this date "a ball of fire will descend, destroying almost all of mankind, all vegetation, all forms of life." [7]:44
1999 Charles Berlitz This linguist predicted the end would occur in this year. He did not predict how it would occur, stating that it might involve nuclear devastation, asteroid impact, pole shift or other Earth changes. [8]:194
Hon-Ming Chen
(陳恆明)

Hon-Ming Chen's cult God's Salvation Church, now relocated to upstate New York, preached that a nuclear holocaust would destroy Europe and Asia sometime between October 1 and December 31, 1999.
James Gordon Lindsay This preacher predicted the great tribulation would begin before the year 2000. [6]:280
Timothy Dwight IV This President of Yale University foresaw Christ's Millennium starting by 2000. [8]:81
Nazim Al-Haqqani Predicted that the Last Judgment would occur before the year 2000. [82]
2000 Jan 1 Various During and before 1999 there was widespread predictions of a Y2K computer bug that would crash many computers on midnight of December 31, 1999 and cause malfunctions leading to major catastrophes worldwide, and that society would cease to function. Year 2000 problem
Credonia Mwerinde, Joseph Kibweteere An estimated 778 followers of this Ugandan religious movement perished in a devastating fire and a series of poisonings and killings that were either a group suicide or an orchestrated mass murder by group leaders after their predictions of the apocalypse failed to come about. [83][84]:21
Jerry Falwell Falwell foresaw God pouring out his judgement on the world on this day. [85]
Tim LaHaye, Jerry B. Jenkins These Christian authors stated that the Y2K bug would trigger global economic chaos, which the Antichrist would use to rise to power. As the date approached, however, they changed their minds. [86]
2000 Apr 6 James Harmston The leader of the True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days predicted the Second Coming of Christ would occur on this day. [13]:2496
2000 May 5 Nuwaubian Nation This movement claimed that the planetary lineup would cause a "star holocaust," pulling the planets toward the sun on this day. [57]:121
Richard W. Noone In his book 5/5/2000: Ice, The Ultimate Disaster, Noone predicted that a "planetary alignment" on this date would trigger a series of natural disasters, beginning with a disruption of Earth's polar ice caps. [87]
2000 Peter Olivi This 13th-century theologian wrote that the Antichrist would come to power between the years 1300 and 1340, and the Last Judgement would take place around the year 2000. [9]:54
Isaac Newton Newton predicted that Christ's Millennium would begin in the year 2000 in his book Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John. [26]:96
Ruth Montgomery This self-described Christian psychic predicted the Earth's axis would shift and the Antichrist would reveal himself in this year. [8]:156, 195
Edgar Cayce This psychic predicted the Second Coming would occur this year. [88]
Sun Myung Moon The founder of the Unification Church predicted the Kingdom of Heaven would be established in this year. [8]:148
Ed Dobson This pastor predicted the end would occur in his book The End: Why Jesus Could Return by A.D. 2000. [89]
Lester Sumrall This minister predicted the end in his book I Predict 2000. [6]:99, 341
Jonathan Edwards This 18th-century preacher predicted that Christ's thousand-year reign would begin in this year. [9]:171
2001 Tynnetta Muhammad This columnist for the Nation of Islam predicted the end would occur in this year. [9]:213
2002 Various Yoruba Yoruba priests predicted dramatic tragedy and crisis in 2002, including coups, war, disease, and flooding.
2003 May 27 Nancy Lieder Lieder originally predicted the date for the Nibiru collision as May 2003. According to her website, aliens in the Zeta Reticuli star system told her through messages via a brain implant of a planet which would enter our solar system and cause a pole shift on Earth that would destroy most of humanity. [90]
2003 Nov 29 Aum Shinrikyo This Japanese cult predicted the world would be destroyed by a nuclear war between October 30 and November 29, 2003. [57]:98
2006 Sep 12 House of Yahweh Yisrayl Hawkins, Pastor and Overseer, The House of Yahweh, Abilene, Texas in their February 2006 newsletter predicted the start of a nuclear war on September 12, 2006. [91]
2007 Apr 29 Pat Robertson In his 1990 book The New Millennium, Robertson suggests this date as the day of Earth's destruction. [6]:138
2010 Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn This order predicted the world would end during this year. [52]:223
2011 May 21 Harold Camping Camping predicted that the Rapture and devastating earthquakes would occur on May 21, 2011 with God taking approximately 3% of the world's population into Heaven, and that the end of the world would occur five months later on October 21. 2011 end times prediction
2011 Sep 29 Ronald Weinland Ronald Weinland stated Jesus Christ would return on this day. He prophesied nuclear explosions in U.S. port cities by July 2008 as the blowing of the Second Trumpet of Revelation. After his prophecy failed to come true he changed the date for the return of Jesus Christ to May 27, 2012. [92][93][94]
2011 Oct 21 Harold Camping When his original prediction failed to come about, Camping revised his prediction and said that on May 21, a "Spiritual Judgment" took place, and that both the physical Rapture and the end of the world would occur on October 21, 2011. 2011 end times prediction
2011 Aug–Oct Various There were fears amongst the public that Comet Elenin travelling almost directly between Earth and the Sun would cause disturbances to the Earth's crust, causing massive earthquakes and tidal waves. Others predicted that Elenin would collide with Earth on October 16. Scientists tried to calm fears by stating that none of these events were possible. [95]
2012 May 27 Ronald Weinland Ronald Weinland stated that Jesus Christ would return and the world would end on this day. [96]
2012 Jun 30 José Luis de Jesús José Luis de Jesús predicted that the world's governments and economies would fail on this day, and that he and his followers would undergo a transformation that would allow them to fly and walk through walls. [97][98]
2012 Dec 21 Various The supposed Mayan apocalypse at the end of the 13th b'ak'tun. The Earth would be destroyed by an asteroid, Nibiru, or some other interplanetary object; an alien invasion; or a supernova. Mayanist scholars stated that no extant classic Maya accounts forecasted impending doom, and that the idea that the Long Count calendar ends in 2012 misrepresented Maya history and culture.[99][100][101] Scientists from NASA, along with expert archeologists, stated that none of those events were possible. 2012 phenomenon
2013 Aug 23 Grigori Rasputin Rasputin prophesied a storm would take place on this day where fire would destroy most life on land and Jesus Christ would come back to Earth to comfort those in distress. [102]
2014 Apr – 2015 Sep John Hagee and Mark Biltz The so-called Blood Moon Prophecy, first predicted by Mark Blitz in 2008 and then by John Hagee in 2014. These Christian ministers claimed that the tetrad in 2014 and 2015 may allegedly represent prophecies given in the Bible relating to the second coming of Jesus Christ. [103]
2016 Jul 29 End Time Prophecies A viral video from the YouTube channel "End Time Prophecies" claimed that the world would end on this day. They predicted that the Earth would undergo a "polar flip", which would apparently cause the Earth's atmosphere to be pulled to the ground as the surface reels like a vacuum, causing a "rolling cloud" to cover the planet. They also claimed that a worldwide "megaquake" would ensue. [104]
2017 May 13 Horacio Villegas Villegas claimed that the world would descend into nuclear war on May 13, 2017, due to increased tensions on the Korean Peninsula. He also said this date coincided with the hundred-year anniversary of the visitation of Our Lady of Fátima. [105][106][107][108]

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You think this list of people who predicted the end of the world but were wrong does NOT invalidate dad's claim that anyone who has predicted the end of the world was correct?
[prediction] The world is going to end. [/prediction]

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And you could do nothing but say, "Fraid Not!" as a counter-argument.
Who knows how they were built? You dredge up present state based models. Fine.

How do you know it couldn't?
The article said that.
And there are plenty of seabirds that roost on cliffs so they can launch easily.
Not as big as schoolbuses.

How do you know what they were created for?
Why argue for the sake of arguing? If something was designed to be seen from above one assumes it was made to be seen above.

FROM A STANDSTILL.

Did you see that video I posted of the albatross racing across the water? Was that a video of an albatross getting into the air from a standstill? There are lots of birds that get into the air like that. In fact, birds even a little bit bigger than a pigeon or seagull can't do it, such birds need to take off like a plane, by racing along the ground first to get sufficient airflow over their wings.

"At 48 pounds (21.8 kilograms), Pelagornis sandersi was not as heavy as a flightless ostrich—which can weigh 320 pounds (145 kilograms)—but it was still likely too heavy (and had feet too tiny) to run on the water and take off like a goose or other waterfowl. (Related: "Giant Prehistoric Bird Crushed Seeds, Not Little Horses.")"

Biggest Flying Seabird Had 21-Foot Wingspan, Scientists Say


So you support your argument with sources you admit are inaccurate. LOL!
Just as I would use distances to the sun that science uses but consider most cosmology inaccurate.
 
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Of course dad. All the people in this list were absolutely correct...
The bible doesn't give a date for the return of Christ. If some people cooked one up..they were wrong on the date, but right about the event.
 
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