Walking In The Spirit

EllyGrace7 · Jul 31, 2017

I think that walking in the spirit is very different to what is spoken of in the old testament... The only way you could have the spirit of God upon you is if you're blameless and spotless, which very few managed to do (Enoch being one of the few who managed it). Most of the old testament scriptures talk about following God, and adhering to His commands. But walking in the spirit is so much more than that! We as Christians receive the Holy Spirit (The spirit we are to walk in), which is the Spirit of God Himself. We receive this Holy Spirit because of the sacrifice Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, made. When walking in the spirit, we allow God to take the reigns. We allow for Him to move in this world and to help those who still sin. We are not walking after God, or following His laws, but... In a way we become the law, we become like Him.. Or at least very near to Him! This is because we are now one with God - The Holy spirit is with us, and dwells within us.

faroukfarouk · Jul 31, 2017

EllyGrace7 said:
I think that walking in the spirit is very different to what is spoken of in the old testament... The only way you could have the spirit of God upon you is if you're blameless and spotless, which very few managed to do (Enoch being one of the few who managed it). Most of the old testament scriptures talk about following God, and adhering to His commands. But walking in the spirit is so much more than that! We as Christians receive the Holy Spirit (The spirit we are to walk in), which is the Spirit of God Himself. We receive this Holy Spirit because of the sacrifice Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, made. When walking in the spirit, we allow God to take the reigns. We allow for Him to move in this world and to help those who still sin. We are not walking after God, or following His laws, but... In a way we become the law, we become like Him.. Or at least very near to Him! This is because we are now one with God - The Holy spirit is with us, and dwells within us.

In Romans 8.9 - addressed to New Testament believers - Paul says, "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His". In Acts 2, at Pentecost, the Holy Spirit came to indwell the church, and the believer in the Lord Jesus comes into the good of the Spirit's indwelling at the new birth.

PeaceJoyLove · Jul 31, 2017

Aseyesee said:
On another note ...

"He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone" became a law to those who heard (if I had not said, they would have had no sin) or thou shalt not eat) and whose end was to reveal their nakedness, a truth relative to the soul, which is the same scenario that played out in the minds of those who were going to stone Jesus, for saying he was the son of God.

All of this is about the losing of one's soul, just as to buy (for Laodicea) becomes the purchase price to them.

What we '"think" we know/possess and what the spirit causes us to truly "KNOW" are not the same thing...The Parable of the 10 virgins, "...Five ...their lamps went out, And five had plenty of light counselled, " go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves." Five enter in, and for five "the door was shut" and hear the words "I know you not."

Which is relative to the same truth - "seeing face to face...I know even as also I am known."

Aseyesee · Jul 31, 2017

PeaceJoyLove said:
What we '"think" we know/possess and what the spirit causes us to truly "KNOW" are not the same thing...The Parable of the 10 virgins, "...Five ...their lamps went out, And five had plenty of light counselled, " go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves." Five enter in, and for five "the door was shut" and hear the words "I know you not."

Which is relative to the same truth - "seeing face to face...I know even as also I am known."

Had this same conversation yesterday with a fella. In one way the manna in the wilderness was this way to Israel, they ate it, but it's name meant What is it ... but it was the color coriander seed, or a cutting seed ...

There is a vast difference between the manna in the wilderness and the fruit of the land.

WebersHome · Jul 31, 2017

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Aseyesee said:
are you advocating walking in the spirit is keeping the law

See post #21

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Aseyesee · Jul 31, 2017

WebersHome said:
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See post #21

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No then; but this seems conflicting to me ...

Post #1 "In other words: murderers are out of step with the Spirit, as are people who oppose capital punishment for murderers."

Just curious ...

Foxfyre · Jul 31, 2017

AlexDTX said:
I would say this is walking near the Spirit, but not in the Spirit. Walking in the Spirit is to walk with a conscious awareness of the leading of the Spirit in your life, not just obedience to general directives.

I meant to comment on this shortly after you posted it but got sidetracked and didn't get back to it.

Your perspective is how I see it. I cannot believe all is programmed out in every detail including our every thought, choice, action. If that were so, then none of us have any choice. We would merely be marionettes being manipulated by cosmic strings to project the script of a play incorporating unbelievable cruelty. There would be no such thing as free will or ability to choose. It is all illusion.

I have to believe that how we think and what we choose makes a difference, that prayer can change things, that if we introduce a loving God to a person, that person has the choice to accept or reject Him. I think there are something like 19 or 20 independent Scriptures citing instances in which God clearly relented and changed his mind or the passage could be taken that way. The scripture in my signature expresses that concept.

So I think walking in the Spirit means that we CHOOSE to hear and obey the Spirit's leading, and when we do, the greatest of God's glory can come shining through. When we don't bother or take matters into our own understanding and yield to ungodly instincts or desires, we can contribute to the chaos, disorder, pain, and suffering on Earth.

AlexDTX · Jul 31, 2017

Foxfyre said:
I meant to comment on this shortly after you posted it but got sidetracked and didn't get back to it.

Your perspective is how I see it. I cannot believe all is programmed out in every detail including our every thought, choice, action. If that were so, then none of us have any choice. We would merely be marionettes being manipulated by cosmic strings to project the script of a play incorporating unbelievable cruelty. There would be no such thing as free will or ability to choose. It is all illusion.

I have to believe that how we think and what we choose makes a difference, that prayer can change things, that if we introduce a loving God to a person, that person has the choice to accept or reject Him. I think there are something like 19 or 20 independent Scriptures citing instances in which God clearly relented and changed his mind or the passage could be taken that way. The scripture in my signature expresses that concept.

So I think walking in the Spirit means that we CHOOSE to hear and obey the Spirit's leading, and when we do, the greatest of God's glory can come shining through. When we don't bother or take matters into our own understanding and yield to ungodly instincts or desires, we can contribute to the chaos, disorder, pain, and suffering on Earth.

Well said, Foxfyre. I am in complete agreement. God may control the cosmos, but He does not micromanage our lives. He is always there for His help, but we have to want it first. Like Jesus walking on the water. We know he was going out there for his disciples but it says he was about to walk by them until they cried out to him for help.

Waggles · Aug 4, 2017

WebersHome said:
So; how does one walk in God's footsteps, so to speak? Well; there's really no mystery to it. All we have to do is walk the path that the Spirit left in the Bible for us to follow.

To walk in the Spirit requires:
First; to be actually filled with (baptized in) the indwelling Holy Spirit. Acts explains clearly for all of us
to understand that the only sign given by God as to confirmation of this is that disciples shall speak
in new tongues - so that we can pray in the Holy Spirit > Jude 1:20
Romans 8: explains the necessity of actually being imbued with the Holy Spirit. It must be real not just
a doctrinal teaching promulgated by another person, pastor or minister.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
This is why it is important that you are not deceived by a false gospel preaching a lie.

Second; it is not just about being a good citizen but also the wisdom od discerning between sin and righteousness, to do justly, to love others, to be an ambassador to Jesus ...
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:

Third; a disciple filled with the Holy Spirit must in time as they mature and become more perfect
display evidence of their walk, their transformation by the power of the Holy Spirit > from being
a rough diamond to becoming a polished gem that reflects the light of the gospel ...
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Galatians 5:

Revivalusa238 · Aug 4, 2017

Waggles said:
To walk in the Spirit requires:
First; to be actually filled with (baptized in) the indwelling Holy Spirit. Acts explains clearly for all of us
to understand that the only sign given by God as to confirmation of this is that disciples shall speak
in new tongues - so that we can pray in the Holy Spirit > Jude 1:20
Romans 8: explains the necessity of actually being imbued with the Holy Spirit. It must be real not just
a doctrinal teaching promulgated by another person, pastor or minister.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
This is why it is important that you are not deceived by a false gospel preaching a lie.

Second; it is not just about being a good citizen but also the wisdom od discerning between sin and righteousness, to do justly, to love others, to be an ambassador to Jesus ...
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:

Third; a disciple filled with the Holy Spirit must in time as they mature and become more perfect
display evidence of their walk, their transformation by the power of the Holy Spirit > from being
a rough diamond to becoming a polished gem that reflects the light of the gospel ...
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Galatians 5:

Revivalusa238 · Aug 4, 2017

Sounds reasonable to me. I don't think I can add to that right now.

Righttruth · Jun 22, 2018

Foxfyre said:
But then again, the Bible does not forbid capital punishment or in self defense when the law or circumstances requires it. If we all take the Bible absolutely literally, the Lord himself commanded it at times. Kings 9-11 for instance tells the story of Elijah's prophecy of Ahab's destruction followed by the Lord commanding Jehu to destroy Ahab and all his household. That would be considered a harsh and unacceptable sentence to pretty much all of us these days.

I think there are people so evil and so dangerous they pretty well forfeit their right to live, and I can't feel too much sympathy when that is the verdict of the jury and judge after a fair trial.
But like you I lean toward life as the rule of thumb for Christians to live by.

So are we liberal or conservative, walking in the spirit, or not?

What was applicable in the OT cannot be blindly applied in the NT times.

Foxfyre · Jul 3, 2018

Righttruth said:
What was applicable in the OT cannot be blindly applied in the NT times.

That is true. However, if Jesus quoted the O.T. to make a point, and he did, I think we should consider that God can speak to us and instruct us through all the scriptures, Old Testament and New Testament. But I think we must always pray that it is His voice we hear and not our own preferred interpretation.

Righttruth · Jul 4, 2018

Foxfyre said:
That is true. However, if Jesus quoted the O.T. to make a point, and he did, I think we should consider that God can speak to us and instruct us through all the scriptures, Old Testament and New Testament. But I think we must always pray that it is His voice we hear and not our own preferred interpretation.

It is also valid to NT writings. Ex: Paul's letter to Corinthians, etc. cannot be applied to us blindly.

ByTheSpirit · Jul 4, 2018

Foxfyre said:
That is true. However, if Jesus quoted the O.T. to make a point, and he did, I think we should consider that God can speak to us and instruct us through all the scriptures, Old Testament and New Testament. But I think we must always pray that it is His voice we hear and not our own preferred interpretation.

excellent advice! The NT was written based off the OT teachings. To say the OT no longer applies is misguided. It has a different application to Christians than it did Jews, but that doesnt mean we should ignore it or discard it.

Foxfyre · Jul 4, 2018

Righttruth said:
It is also valid to NT writings. Ex: Paul's letter to Corinthians, etc. cannot be applied to us blindly.

I doubt God speaks to me blindly through anything.

Foxfyre · Jul 4, 2018

ByTheSpirit said:
excellent advice! The NT was written based off the OT teachings. To say the OT no longer applies is misguided. It has a different application to Christians than it did Jews, but that doesnt mean we should ignore it or discard it.

Thanks. The first Christians certainly respected and often quoted the Old Testament, most especially those who grew up in the Jewish faith such as all the Apostles including Paul.

And there have been many times that a passage of scripture in the Old Testament (and/or New Testament) has almost literally jumped off the page at me when I have been soul searching some issue or question or trying to sort out where I am on something. I take such times as nudging/counsel of the Spirit because the counsel is never found lacking.

I, however, with few exceptions, I am pretty much opposed to 'proof texting' or plucking this or that verse out of its full context and holding it up as an authority on what Christians or anybody else must believe about something. And when I teach, I always counsel to read the Scriptures through the eyes of those who wrote down the words in order to know what they meant then, instead of always filtering through our 21st Century perception, language, and understanding.

I am convinced the Holy Spirit often uses the Scriptures, old and new, among other things, to teach us.

Righttruth · Jul 4, 2018

Foxfyre said:
I doubt God speaks to me blindly through anything.

I am speaking of majority of believers who blindly accept and take for granted many things as if it was meant for them without considering the context, problem and people to who it was addressed.

Jenniferdiana · Jul 4, 2018

walking in the spirit, i think thats like being controlled by the spirit when you are walking in it, if youre walking out of the spirit you are grieving and hindering the spirit by letting the flesh control you instead..when you walk in the spirit you are programming and letting the spirit work in you, its like putting on the armour of God, the spirit controls and fills your mind, heart and soul with things of the spirit and works in those places ..when you are walking in it...it fills your whole being...or your whole being is being filled and it controls you...

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