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I fail to see what is at all amusing in what I wrote.
Have a great day Goatee.
Very predictable indeed............
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I fail to see what is at all amusing in what I wrote.
Have a great day Goatee.
Have you looked it up? I just did an online search and found entry after entry that gave nearly-identical definitions, and that included one that was a Catholic website.
Very predictable indeed............
In fact, even the Popes throughout history couldn't agree with each other.
I have no issue with you believing as you so choose. It's everyone's right to do so.
I've done my research and have personal, first hand experience with Catholicism as well.
I'm not nearly as ignorant or uninformed as you think.
You apparently missed the point of my post.
Sola Scriptura has a meaning.
If some people come up with another or do not understand the meaning of Sola Scriptura, it's not a lot different from the situation in your church in which many people believe Holy Communion to be merely symbolic of Christ's body and blood.
But you don't read Protestants here on CF posting every day that "there are all sorts of views of the sacrament among Catholics, so who knows what it means or what the church stands for--there's nothing but confusion and disagreement," etc.
There's an idea. Saint Luther.Actually, no. I don't pray to Luther
A vow that the church had no right to extract from him. Would you say the same about a Hitler Youth member who gave his oath to die for Hitler and later decided it had been wrong to do? Luther, you know, came to believe that the church went against God's laws, the laws of nature, in denying marriage--and he was known to hold these beliefs years before he met his future wife, while he was still completely disinterested in marrying anyone himself.But he himself broke his vow to God, and persuaded others to do the same.
From all that we know, yes.His marriage might have been a happy one, but was it a holy one?
No, most intelligent people would understand what you wrote. But what you were saying in that post was WRONG.
But every time you you write about the things in the Catholic Church, you betray your total ignorance.
Well they just kinda changed it a little. The church I went to, St. John The Baptist, Whiting Indiana has two corners, with statues of Mary in each. Each one has a money slot, where you drop your money, light a candle and pray to Mary that your dead loved ones sins be forgiven, they'll be released from purgatory just a little early. No, they aren't selling them.The things described here, are sinful and wrong. I disagree with such acts as well, and yet I am not a Protestant.
And indulgences for money has been done away with--The Council of Trent instituted severe reforms in the practice of granting indulgences, and, because of prior abuses, "in 1567 Pope Pius V canceled all grants of indulgences involving any fees or other financial transactions" (Catholic Encyclopedia). This act proved the Church’s seriousness about removing abuses from indulgences.
The Catholic Church as it had developed in feudal Europe up until that point was based in the idea of one, Catholic world, all politically — and spiritually— united under the pope.I have found it interesting lately learning a little about Luther and the Pope / Catholic Church.
I am only just starting to find out more! Why? I need to find out his beliefs, how he viewed the CC hierarchy and how pious was he?
Some of the things I have recently learned have opened my eyes a bit and I want to dig deeper but with an open mind on it all.
Luther started out as a Catholic. He must have had strong faith in the church? What were the main reasons why he turned on the church? Was he in the right with the beliefs he had about the Pope and the Bible etc?
Anyone here delved into his life and beliefs in detail?
Scripture. Amen.Here is just one example of a Catholic doctrine/tradition (from the Official Catechism) that completely contradicts Scripture:
Here is what the Catholic Catechism says:
III. The Final Purification, or Purgatory
1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.
Here is what the Bible says, in part, regarding how Christ Himself has perfectly "purged" our sins and complete forgiveness is found in Him, with no need of any further sacrifice to make His sacrifice perfect, and also how when we die, we will be present with the Lord, not in Purgatory.
"After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." - John 19:28-30
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high..." - Hebrews 1:1-3
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
But this man, after he had offered
one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God..." - Hebrews 10:10-12
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." - 1 John 1:8-9
"Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
(For we walk by faith, not by sight
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. - 2 Corinthians 5:6-8
Scripture. Amen.
But none of these verses contradict the Catholic doctrine on purgatory. That is your problem.
Yes, our Lord did purge our sins by himself.Christ by Himself purged our sins.
Tetzel was known for his ingenuity.Just to specify one thing about the selling of indulgence, the Vatican never approved of it. Johann Tetzel acted on his own, obviously under the approval of his bishop but not endorsed by the Vatican nor the pope himself.
That being said the selling of indulgence was disgusting indeed.