The Difference Between Conservatives and Liberals

RDKirk said:

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

As one pastor has said, Conservatives want to use government to force people to obey the first law; Liberals want to use government to force people to obey the second law.

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If that is the case, then both are destined for failure since love cannot be forced from anyone. It has to be freely given.

Paradoxum said:

I'd say that's not generally true. I'd say that centre-left liberalism focus' on the individual on social issues, but is about everyone economically.

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Don't 'social' issues involve everyone? And where do you see center-left liberalism in America? We have radical liberalism and moderate conservatism here.

super animator said:

You might want to change that as the mods are not very forgiving when it comes to the swear filter.

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You're right. I deleted any objectionable content in both posts.

RDKirk said:

That's only with regard to economics. With regard to morality, conservatives are all in everyone's bedroom.

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Then why haven't I run across any of those conservatives and I know a ton of them? So far as I can tell, not a single one has had any interest in anybody's bedroom other than their own.

Paradoxum said:

I'd say that's not generally true. I'd say that centre-left liberalism focus' on the individual on social issues, but is about everyone economically.
Centre-right conservatism is about enforcing the collective morals, but economic survival of the fittest.

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And I don't see that in conservatism at all. Libertarianism (little "L") is about personal responsibility and accountability and a social structure that gives everybody a fighting chance to succeed on their own initiatives. It does not look to government to design and enforce a society but looks to itself.

Foxfyre said:

Then why haven't I run across any of those conservatives and I know a ton of them? So far as I can tell, not a single one has had any interest in anybody's bedroom other than their own.

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I would suggest that the number of conservatives you personally know is a small sample size.

RDKirk said:

That's only with regard to economics. With regard to morality, conservatives are all in everyone's bedroom.

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Hmmm...I guess my conservative, coworkers, friends and family really aren't conservative. I've met a few fundamentalist types that give a rip about bedroom habits, but very few.

zephcom said:

If that is the case, then both are destined for failure since love cannot be forced from anyone. It has to be freely given.

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It's prophetic of the love the church will eventually have for God/Christ after the marriage. Read the commandments backwards* and you'll see the progression from evil mankind to bride of Christ.

* God sees the end from the beginning. Man must start at the beginning; the 'tenth' commandment.

OldWiseGuy said:

It's prophetic of the love the church will eventually have for God/Christ after the marriage. Read the commandments backwards* and you'll see the progression from evil mankind to bride of Christ.

* God sees the end from the beginning. Man must start at the beginning; the 'tenth' commandment.

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Mankind is not 'evil'. Mankind is made in the image of God and that image does not include evil.

Mankind is unlearned about the reasons for their existence in this realm. Mankind does not understand the power of Divine Love in this realm.

Much of the 'evil' mankind does in this realm is because mankind actually believes that more and more powerful evil can bring peace and love to the planet. Sadly the major religions on this planet TEACH that more powerful evil will bring peace to the planet.

The message of Jesus...which Christianity refuses to acknowledge...is that only Divine Love practiced by those who follow Jesus' teachings can defeat evil.

zephcom said:

Mankind is not 'evil'. Mankind is made in the image of God and that image does not include evil.

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Mankind doesn't think itself evil, but the fruits of mankind are certainly evil. "By their fruits shall you know them."

Didn't Jesus say, "You (mankind) being evil...........meaning without redeeming value. Only when man is imbued with God's spirit will he have redeeming value.

OldWiseGuy said:

Mankind doesn't think itself evil, but the fruits of mankind are certainly evil. "By their fruits shall you know them."

Didn't Jesus say, "You (mankind) being evil...........meaning without redeeming value. Only when man is imbued with God's spirit will he have redeeming value.

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Translations are a marvelous thing in that the translator holds a lot of power to push a document one way or another. The King James does say that and the King James is not well known for its accuracy in translation.

The Message says, "As bad as you are,....". That is a much different connotation than than saying 'evil'. I'm not attempting to push one translation over another, but I've found that checking many translations can give people a much better understanding of just what was actually written.

OldWiseGuy said:

Generally speaking,

Conservatism emphasizes the individual.
Liberalism emphasizes the group.

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Technically speaking,

Conservatism seeks to maintain the status quo, or to go back to an earlier status quo.
Liberalism seeks to change the status quo.

Dave-W said:

Technically speaking,

Conservatism seeks to maintain the status quo, or to go back to an earlier status quo.
Liberalism seeks to change the status quo.

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That too.

Dave-W said:

Technically speaking,

Conservatism seeks to maintain the status quo, or to go back to an earlier status quo.
Liberalism seeks to change the status quo.

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And that's why as the USSR collapsed, the "conservatives" were the hard-line Communists.

Foxfyre said:

And I don't see that in conservatism at all. Libertarianism (little "L") is about personal responsibility and accountability and a social structure that gives everybody a fighting chance to succeed on their own initiatives. It does not look to government to design and enforce a society but looks to itself.

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Do you know that conservationism and libertarianism are different things? ?

I was talking about conservatism.

OldWiseGuy said:

Don't 'social' issues involve everyone? And where do you see center-left liberalism in America? We have radical liberalism and moderate conservatism here.

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Yes, social issues involve everyone. I didn't say other wise.

In terms of social issues, it seems liberal because they don't agree with you.

Paradoxum said:

Do you know that conservationism and libertarianism are different things? ?

I was talking about conservatism.

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In modern day American vernacular, as they are sociopolitically commonly understood/defined, there is little difference between the two. We can make a distinction on a few points. There is often, however, a HUGE difference between Libertarianism (capital L) and conservatism/libertarianism though. And modern day American liberalism as it is commonly defined/understood shares little in common with any of those.

Foxfyre said:

In modern day American vernacular, as they are sociopolitically commonly understood/defined, there is little difference between the two. We can make a distinction on a few points. There is often, however, a HUGE difference between Libertarianism (capital L) and conservatism/libertarianism though. And modern day American liberalism as it is commonly defined/understood shares little in common with any of those.

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Maybe Americans are too stupid to under more than a two party system?

Paradoxum said:

Maybe Americans are too stupid to under more than a two party system?

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We can be pretty stupid at times for sure, but we have somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 registered political parties.

Paradoxum said:

Maybe Americans are too stupid to under more than a two party system?

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I'm an American, but I'm not under any political party. Politics means compromise. I don't compromise.