Is Ezekiel 38 imminent?

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I would imagine that the mosque at the temple mount in Jerusalem will have to go if they are going to rebuild the temple to the specifications in Ezekiel 40-48
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I would imagine that the mosque at the temple mount in Jerusalem will have to go if they are going to rebuild the temple to the specifications in Ezekiel 40-48
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(Rev. 11:1-2) Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles.

Some believe that the temple will be built north of the dome of the rock, after a covenant brokered by the antichrist between Jews and Muslims. It will be defiled by the antichrist so I suppose it will have to go along with the dome of the rock when Christ returns.
 
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Based on the testimony of the then fifteen year old Israeli teenager who had a near death experience back in 2015..... yes...... this could well be the case!

In reading the prophecy it looks like the whole world is going to turn against them. They will only have one friend at that time... God the Father! But... My goodness! What a friend is that!
 
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Yes it is imminent. However not yet. Gog is the antichrist, this is very apparent when you read Ezekiel 39.

I think the next prophecy that you can really see unfold in the world will be Daniel chapter 8. Where the Persian (Iran) Ram pushes and is destroyed by the Grecian (Turkey) Goat.

Once this happens the whole end times story is pretty much completely chronicled in Daniel from that point on.

The angel of God says that Daniel 8 concerns the end. Very shortly people will post using many multi colored words and many sizes of fonts to claim they know more than an angel.
 
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Yes it is imminent. However not yet. Gog is the antichrist, this is very apparent when you read Ezekiel 39.

I think the next prophecy that you can really see unfold in the world will be Daniel chapter 8. Where the Persian (Iran) Ram pushes and is destroyed by the Grecian (Turkey) Goat.

Once this happens the whole end times story is pretty much completely chronicled in Daniel from that point on.

The angel of God says that Daniel 8 concerns the end. Very shortly people will post using many multi colored words and many sizes of fonts to claim they know more than an angel.

If God the Father basically destroys a huge, world wide, invading army, I would think that there would be a power vacuum that would make room for the anti-Christ.
 
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Two groups of people who have rejected God's Son (1 John 2:22-23) are fighting over the remains of Roman Fort Antonia and Christians go into prophecy mode.

Many of us have fallen for the greatest deception in the history of the Church.


 
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Five different "date stamps" in Ezekiel 38-39, show that it will take place after Daniel's seventieth week, not before, as is commonly assumed.

From the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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The 70th week of Daniel was the time that the Gospel of the New Covenant was taken first to Daniel's people the Jews before it was taken to the Gentiles, based on Matthew 10:5-7 and Galatians 1:14-18.

Can anyone honestly deny that the Gospel was taken to the Jews for a period of about 7 years, before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles?



 
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Yes it is imminent. However not yet. Gog is the antichrist, this is very apparent when you read Ezekiel 39.

I think the next prophecy that you can really see unfold in the world will be Daniel chapter 8. Where the Persian (Iran) Ram pushes and is destroyed by the Grecian (Turkey) Goat.

Once this happens the whole end times story is pretty much completely chronicled in Daniel from that point on.

The angel of God says that Daniel 8 concerns the end. Very shortly people will post using many multi colored words and many sizes of fonts to claim they know more than an angel.
Seriously? Greece is not Turkey....
Someone has obviously never studied Bible history. :expressionless:
 
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Yes it is imminent. However not yet. Gog is the antichrist, this is very apparent when you read Ezekiel 39.

I think the next prophecy that you can really see unfold in the world will be Daniel chapter 8. Where the Persian (Iran) Ram pushes and is destroyed by the Grecian (Turkey) Goat.

Once this happens the whole end times story is pretty much completely chronicled in Daniel from that point on.

The angel of God says that Daniel 8 concerns the end. Very shortly people will post using many multi colored words and many sizes of fonts to claim they know more than an angel.
The angel said parts of Daniel 8 - the part about the transgression of desolation by the little horn is at the time of the end.

The part about the Persian Ram and the Grecian Goat are ancient history to us - back at the time of Alexander the great.

Turkey is likely part of the Gog/Magog invading force. But the Antichrist is not part of that group. He immediately follows that event.
 
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The angel said parts of Daniel 8 - the part about the transgression of desolation by the little horn is at the time of the end.

The part about the Persian Ram and the Grecian Goat are ancient history to us - back at the time of Alexander the great.

From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.

John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.

We know from a parallel study of Luke 21:20-21 and Matthew 24:15-16 that Christ was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD, when He referred to Daniel's prophecy in Matthew 24:15-16. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city, killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. Matthew's Gospel was written to a Jewish audience, who celebrated Hanukkah every year. Luke's Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience that may not have understood the events of 167 BC, so Luke spelled it out for them in Luke 21:20-21.

Almost all Bible scholars agree that the beginning of Luke 21:24 is about the events of 70 AD.

Comparing Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew gives us a clear timeline between the destruction of the temple in 70 AD and the future Second Coming of Christ.


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Olivet Timing Revealed by Luke’s Gospel:

Compare Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew if you want to understand the timing.



Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple (These subtitles are found in e-Sword.)



Luk 21:5  Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, 

Luk 21:6  "These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down." 

(Mat 24:2  And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." )





Luk 21:7  So they asked Him, saying, "Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?" 

(Mat 24:3  Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?")

( Mar 13:3  Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, 

Mar 13:4  "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?") 





Luk 21:8  And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them. 

(Mat 24:5  For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. )



Luk 21:9  But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately."

(Mat 24:6  And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.) 



Jesus Foretells Wars and Persecution



Luk 21:10  Then He said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 

(Mat 24:7  For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )



Luk 21:11  And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven. 

(Mat 24:7  For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )



Luk 21:12  But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake. 

(Mat 24:9  "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.) (Read Acts 22:19-20, where Paul reveals that he fulfilled this text.)



Luk 21:13  But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony. 

Luk 21:14  Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; 

Luk 21:15  for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist. 

Luk 21:16  You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 

Luk 21:17  And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. 

(Mat 24:10  And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. )



Luk 21:18  But not a hair of your head shall be lost. 

Luk 21:19  By your patience possess your souls. 

(Mat 24:13  But he who endures to the end shall be saved.) 



Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem



Luk 21:20  "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 

(Mat 24:15  "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 



Luk 21:21  Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 

(Mat 24:16  "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.) 



Luk 21:22  For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 

Luk 21:23  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 

(Mat 24:19  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! )



Luk 21:24  And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (The first part of this verse is clearly about 70 AD. When the "times of the Gentiles" is completed we find the future Second Coming of Christ in Luke 21:25-27.)



The Coming of the Son of Man




Luk 21:25  "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 

(Mat 24:29  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.) 



Luk 21:26  men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 

Luk 21:27  Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 

(Mat 24:30  Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.) 



Luk 21:28  Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." 

(Mat 24:33  So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!)
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The parallel study above reveals that both Luke 21:20-21 and Matthew 24:15-16 are a reference to the same event during 70 AD.
Therefore, Matthew 24:15 is not a future event.


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From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7
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We've gone through this before. The transgression of desolation by the little horn is time of the end in the text of Daniel 8. The abomination of desolation in Daniel 12 is time of the end, when knowledge and transportation are greaty increased. The abomination of desolation is the image, that comes to life and speaks - didn't happen in 70 AD.

The transgression of desolation is when the man of sin sits in the temple of God, claiming to be God...followed shortly by Jesus returning to this earth in judgement and vengence. Didn't happen in 70 AD.

Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes. Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.

There are multiple chapters in Daniel about the end times, in addition to the prophecies that were future of Daniel but are historic to us... such as Antiochus.

Antiochus, not as the little horn from Daniel 8, but as the king of the north in Daniel 11 - in the passages in Daniel 11 before the time of the end and the willful king (the beast) in Daniel 11:36
 
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I am well aware that most modern students of Bible prophecy follow the scenario first laid out by Dwight Pentecost, that Ezekiel 38-39 comes before Daniel's seventieth week. But very few seem to know that when Dwight Pentecost introduced this idea, it was an innovation. Every previous Dispensational writer with whose works I am familiar, realized that the scriptures clearly place this attack after the seventieth week, not before it.

I have studied the works of Dispensationalists who wrote before the time of the nineteenth century Plymouth brethren. But not even one of these that I have personally been able to examine said anything about the timing of this event, relative to other end time events.

But the nineteenth century Plymouth brethren wrote much about this event. And they were united about the fact that it would take place after the seventieth week.

Now the history of a doctrine is not even evidence as to its accuracy, much less any kind of proof. For the only thing that counts is what the Bible actually says. So I point this out only to show that my contention is not some kind of a novelty. I am far from the only teacher that has noticed this Biblical fact.

But the fact is that there are no less than five details in Ezekiel 38 and 39 that could not even possibly be accurate unless this attack came after Daniel's seventieth week. I plan to post these details later.
 
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There are numerous details in Ezekiel 38 and 39 that plainly show when this great event will take place. We will first see that this attack is unquestionably an end time event.

In Ezekiel 38:8 the LORD tells Gog, “After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel.” Again, in verse 16 He plainly states that “It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes.” There was no event even remotely similar to the one described in these chapters at any time after their partial return in the time of Ezra and Nehemiah, so this has to be an end time event.

But when, within the time line prophesied for the end times, will this great event take place? We will first examine several details that show that it cannot take place before the middle of Daniel’s seventieth week.

In Ezekiel 39:7, after telling Gog he will be destroyed, the Lord says “So I will make My holy name known in the midst of My people Israel, and I will not let them profane My holy name anymore.” But Daniel 9:27 tells us that “in the middle of” Daniel’s seventieth week, the Roman prince “shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate.” There can be no reasonable doubt that the abomination referred to is when “the man of sin,” “the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped” “sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” (I Thessalonians 2:3-4) Aside from their blasphemy against and crucifixion of Jesus, This will clearly be the worst profaning of the Lord’s name ever done by His rebellious people. But after Gog is destroyed, the Lord “will not let” His people Israel “profane” His holy name “anymore.” This shows us that Gos’s destruction cannot take place before the middle of Daniel’s seventieth week, the time of the Antichrist.

We just looked at the first part of Ezekiel 39:7. The rest of that verse is “Then the nations shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.” But according to I Thessalonians 2:9-12, “The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” During the time of the Antichrist “God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie.” But beginning with Gog’s destruction, (notice the word “then”) “Then the nations shall know” that Israel’s God is the Lord. This has to be after the time they are under a divinely sent “strong delusion, that they should believe the lie.” This again shows that Gog’s destruction cannot take place before the time of the Antichrist.

But simply knowing it cannot be before the middle of Daniel’s seventieth week is still not very definitive. The time is shown more precisely that.

In Ezekiel 39:29 the Lord says that after this great deliverance He “will not hide” His “face from them anymore.” But during the great tribulation “they will cry to the Lord, But He will not hear them; He will even hide His face from them at that time, Because they have been evil in their deeds.” (Micah 3:4) This shows that the deliverance from Gog cannot take place until after the great tribulation.

So now we know that Gog’s attack and the destruction has to be not only after the middle of Daniel’s seventieth week, but also after the great tribulation, which is the last half of the seventieth week. But scripture gives us the timing even more precisely that this.

In Ezekiel 39:22, the Lord says, “the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day forward” But in John 5:43 Jesus told the Jews (see verses 5:18-19); “I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.” This plainly shows that the Jews will receive the Antichrist, so at that time they will not know that the Lord is “their God.” But when Gog is destroyed, “the house of Israel shall know that” He is “the LORD their God from that day forward.” During the millennium “No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.” (Jeremiah 31:34) So Gog will be destroyed before the millennium. From these two details we see that we really do not need anything more than this one verse to understand that Gog’s destruction takes place after the time of the Antichrist (this is the third detail in this prophecy that shows that) and before the millennium.

This is how we know that God’s attack and destruction will not only be and end time event, but within the end times it will be after the time of the Antichrist, (shown by three details) after the great tribulation, (shown by one detail) and before the millennium (shown by a final detail.)

(to be continued)
 
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