Marijuana for medical purposes - Christian?

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Greetings to all!

First and foremost, bless each and everyone of you who are brought here to discuss this topic. I have been a believer all my life, but I truly turned my life to Christ last April. It has been such a rewarding life since!

My question is: is medical marijuana a blessing from God or a curse from Satan?

I have been a heavy smoker since 2010 and gave it up two months ago. I have no intentions of smoking again, but this topic does come up with friends, and I want to make sure I'm giving the right answers. Warning: i am very new to forums, so I'm going to organize this the best way I can. Also, if this topic belongs in another place, let me know!

1 Peter 5:8 ESV -
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

Marijuana affects people differently, just as some mediciations affect some differently. If marijuana impairs you, you should treat it like alcohol, and not become a drunk. Some people can smoke a very small amount and be "loopy," while most of the population smoke to stabilize or add spice to their life while being very attached with their minds.

Ephesians 5:18 ESV
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,

For those who use for stabilization, for clarity, for true shalom, are somewhat addicted. Marijuana doesn't have the addictive properties as other hard drugs, but just as someone can be addicted to inappropriate contentography, video games, etc... it can be addictive. To my understanding, addiction to a substance is worldly, something that you will not find in heaven. If you get "so high" just because "it's awesome," I cannot see that as a Godly thing. If used incorrectly, it can take over your life, push family members away, turn you into a couch potato, limit your professional environment, make you over eat (gluttony), etc.

Romans 13:13-14 ESV
Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

But, even if it is seemingly addicting, if you could give it up for God for periods of time to honor that you hold dominance over all on this Earth, is marijuana bad in that sense?

Romans 13:1-5 ESV
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

Let's not forget about the illegal part of this argument. We are to obey the laws of the land, respect politicians and live quietly if we disagree with them, etc. Most people who smoke marijuana do so on states that weed is illegal and considered a crime. In my state, anything above half an ounce is considered a felony.

Genesis 9:3 ESV
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Genesis 1:29 ESV
And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food.

During my time smoking marijuana and strongly pursuing God, I believe it helped draw me closer to Him. I would smoke, try to play a video game or watch a show, then be drawn to write Christian songs, write Christian poems, pray or talk about Jesus with my wife (who wasn't a strong believer at this point - is now though!) instead. If anyone could help me answer this:

1) When I would smoke and be drawn closer to God, was that because marijuana is a blessing from God? Or, in my sin, was God trying to intervene and deliver me from evil?

2) If you use marijuana as a mental medicine, kind of like "Use once every four hours or as needed," is it truly bad?

3) Even if it's illegal in a state, is it Godly to smoke marijuana? (I don't think so)

4) To a New Christian with a lot of friends who smoke marijuana, what other advice could I be giving them besides what I have listed?

5) I know there are more angles to this argument. Please let me know if I'm missing something that could further suppprt this topic.

Once again, bless you all that participate and can help me clarify what God wants the lives of His children! His law and His word are supreme; for I do not want to follow anything that isn't in Him. He delivered me from a lifetime of sin and I am forever grateful to His endless love and support, and only wish to allow Him to channel His will through me. God bless and may He always be with you!
 

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My ex-wife has multiple sclerosis and it's known that medical marijuana helps patients that have MS. It's help with pain and the feeling of muscle stiffness as well as sleep.

If she, and she is a Christian, said to me she wanted to do medical marijuana which is legal here, I would have no issues with it at all. It would help her with her illness and that's what matters.

If it can help her to enjoy our children more, I am all for it as it's a legal method now.
 
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My ex-wife has multiple sclerosis and it's known that medical marijuana helps patients that have MS. It's help with pain and the feeling of muscle stiffness as well as sleep.

If she, and she is a Christian, said to me she wanted to do medical marijuana which is legal here, I would have no issues with it at all. It would help her with her illness and that's what matters.

If it can help her to enjoy our children more, I am all for it as it's a legal method now.

I am sure that medical marijuana is a blessing in your case! I know some side effects of the other medications used to treat MS can be unfavorable, so I am glad your wife has something that makes her enjoy life to the fullest until we all meet our Father in Heaven. God bless and thank you for your response!
 
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Care to elaborate?
TOS for this discussion site prohibits advocating for illegal activity.

While the medicinal use of Cannabis has been approved by several states, and a few have even approved "recreational" use, it is STILL in violation of federal drug laws anywhere on US soil.

There are a few people on here who seem to keep hounding the rest of us on it.

I am tired of even thinking about the subject.
 
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TOS for this discussion site prohibits advocating for illegal activity.

While the medicinal use of Cannabis has been approved by several states, and a few have even approved "recreational" use, it is STILL in violation of federal drug laws anywhere on US soil.

There are a few people on here who seem to keep hounding the rest of us on it.

I am tired of even thinking about the subject.

I am sorry that you have been exposed to this conversation many times. I am led to agree with you, as your argument comes straight from the Bible, which I cannot ignore. So, by your thought, it shouldn't be practiced until the federal law changes, correct?
 
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So, by your thought, it shouldn't be practiced until the federal law changes, correct?
Correct.

I would be in favor of approved medical testing (like for any pharmaceutical coming to the market) and if that is successful, regulating it similar to other strong prescription meds.
 
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Correct.

I would be in favor of approved medical testing (like for any pharmaceutical coming to the market) and if that is successful, regulating it similar to other strong prescription meds.

I tend to go with my heart and gut feeling, for I know He lives within me. I am led to agree with you on that stance. I feel like people would be casting stones if they got in legal trouble, and used the Word of God to defend their own actions against whatever court is holding them responsible. We all know it's illegal on a federal level, and if we want to try and make it legal, we need to be active in relaying our feelings to the DEA and praying earnestly for the legalization. The power of healing exist within us all!
 
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I tend to go with my heart and gut feeling, for I know He lives within me. I am led to agree with you on that stance. I feel like people would be casting stones if they got in legal trouble, and used the Word of God to defend their own actions against whatever court is holding them responsible. We all know it's illegal on a federal level, and if we want to try and make it legal, we need to be active in relaying our feelings to the DEA and praying earnestly for the legalization. The power of healing exist within us all!
Pharma has been using a form of synthetic marijuana (Marinol) to relieve some of the effects of chemotherapy for at least 16 yrs. that I know of because it was given to me in the form of a pill before each treatment. I didn't have any nausea after a treatment until the hospital ran out. The last two treatments were miserable with nausea, vomiting, dry heaves, and no appetite. Not eating is a real problem if you have cancer.
 
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Pharma has been using a form of synthetic marijuana (Marinol) to relieve some of the effects of chemotherapy for at least 16 yrs. that I know of because it was given to me in the form of a pill before each treatment. I didn't have any nausea after a treatment until the hospital ran out. The last two treatments were miserable with nausea, vomiting, dry heaves, and no appetite. Not eating is a real problem if you have cancer.

I have heard that many, if not all, of the copycat synthetics, which are legal, are quite dangerous to take versus the actual thing. It's so sad that the Pharm companies pour millions of dollars into keeping weed illegal, with the support of the courts and lawyers are well since its good business for people to get in trouble.

Romans 5:3-5 ESV
More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

James 1:2-4 ESV
Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

We should suffer without marijuana, for even though it eases our sickness, we suffer without it in the name of the Lord, and there will be a day soon where the federal law concerning marijuana will be abolished and governed by the different states. Obama did ask the DEA to "calm down" on the persecution of marijuana cases concerning the little guys. They still bust big operations, but even though they stopped perusing smaller dealers / users, the federal law still prohibits it. Do not take my word for it; let the Lord lead you to a decision on this subject, and let the decision be supported by multiple scriptures.
 
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Romans 5:3-5 ESV
More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.
imho.
Taken in context this scripture is not talking about illnesses but the tribulation/persecution suffered for the Gospel, for the testimony of Christ.

In James that word the ESV translates as 'trials' in the Greek means adversity or temptations. If one is sick they may be tempted to blame God for letting them get sick or for not healing them. James says don't give up faith in God, no matter what happens. When one stays faithful to God and they come out the other side they have learned endurance and patience. It is a mature fruit of their faith and makes them a perfect person to testify for God in this area.
He is not saying that one should go without medical treatment or medications that ease their physical pain.
 
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Taken in context this scripture is not talking about illnesses but the tribulation/persecution suffered for the Gospel, for the testimony of Christ.

In James that word the ESV translates as 'trials' in the Greek means adversity or temptations. If one is sick they may be tempted to blame God for letting them get sick or for not healing them. James says don't give up faith in God, no matter what happens. When one stays faithful to God and they come out the other side they have learned endurance and patience. It is a mature fruit of their faith and makes them a perfect person to testify for God in this area.
He is not saying that one should go without medical treatment or medications that ease their physical pain.

Everything you said makes a lot of sense. Thank you for helping me understand those pieces of scripture a little better. I do agree with you as well: science is available to us to use, a gift from God, such as medicine. Marijuana is a medicine in that sense, but an illegal medicine, and should only be used once all other possibilities are cancelled out. Am I understanding you correctly? If not, I apologize! This discussion is a head scratcher for sure!
 
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Everything you said makes a lot of sense. Thank you for helping me understand those pieces of scripture a little better. I do agree with you as well: science is available to us to use, a gift from God, such as medicine. Marijuana is a medicine in that sense, but an illegal medicine, and should only be used once all other possibilities are cancelled out. Am I understanding you correctly? If not, I apologize! This discussion is a head scratcher for sure!
Yes you are understanding me.
 
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I personally think MJ is a doorway - a doorway that is better left not going through. On the recreational side - it cannot be GOOD for a Christian - at best it is harmless to some - at worst it leads to many other things. It enhances aspects of physical senses like music/movies/games/sex etc. However, none of those enhancements draw you closer to GOD, and in my experience they do the opposite by being an enabler of self and self indulgence and acceptance of ungodly behavior.

On the medical side - I think most Pharma are horrible/perpetual/mind-body junk. But many drugs are beneficial. I'm not aware of any that have such a broad spectrum of effects that are pleasurable such as MJ. This is a problem for a Christian using MJ than other pharma. The other pharma may be more damaging physically over the long run, or useless, but they generally don't interfere with your spirituality.

Be wary is all I can personally say. What does the spirit say to you?
 
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Smoking anything is horrible for your lungs, and is a vice. If you need medical marijuana, the cannabis oil will give you the healing properties, its dosage can be more easily controlled, and it won't kill your lungs. Smoking marijuana is clearly inferior medicinally, and therefore also morally.
 
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Greetings to all!

First and foremost, bless each and everyone of you who are brought here to discuss this topic. I have been a believer all my life, but I truly turned my life to Christ last April. It has been such a rewarding life since!

My question is: is medical marijuana a blessing from God or a curse from Satan?

I have been a heavy smoker since 2010 and gave it up two months ago. I have no intentions of smoking again, but this topic does come up with friends, and I want to make sure I'm giving the right answers. Warning: i am very new to forums, so I'm going to organize this the best way I can. Also, if this topic belongs in another place, let me know!

1 Peter 5:8 ESV -
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

Marijuana affects people differently, just as some mediciations affect some differently. If marijuana impairs you, you should treat it like alcohol, and not become a drunk. Some people can smoke a very small amount and be "loopy," while most of the population smoke to stabilize or add spice to their life while being very attached with their minds.

Ephesians 5:18 ESV
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,

For those who use for stabilization, for clarity, for true shalom, are somewhat addicted. Marijuana doesn't have the addictive properties as other hard drugs, but just as someone can be addicted to inappropriate contentography, video games, etc... it can be addictive. To my understanding, addiction to a substance is worldly, something that you will not find in heaven. If you get "so high" just because "it's awesome," I cannot see that as a Godly thing. If used incorrectly, it can take over your life, push family members away, turn you into a couch potato, limit your professional environment, make you over eat (gluttony), etc.

Romans 13:13-14 ESV
Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

But, even if it is seemingly addicting, if you could give it up for God for periods of time to honor that you hold dominance over all on this Earth, is marijuana bad in that sense?

Romans 13:1-5 ESV
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

Let's not forget about the illegal part of this argument. We are to obey the laws of the land, respect politicians and live quietly if we disagree with them, etc. Most people who smoke marijuana do so on states that weed is illegal and considered a crime. In my state, anything above half an ounce is considered a felony.

Genesis 9:3 ESV
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Genesis 1:29 ESV
And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food.

During my time smoking marijuana and strongly pursuing God, I believe it helped draw me closer to Him. I would smoke, try to play a video game or watch a show, then be drawn to write Christian songs, write Christian poems, pray or talk about Jesus with my wife (who wasn't a strong believer at this point - is now though!) instead. If anyone could help me answer this:

1) When I would smoke and be drawn closer to God, was that because marijuana is a blessing from God? Or, in my sin, was God trying to intervene and deliver me from evil?

2) If you use marijuana as a mental medicine, kind of like "Use once every four hours or as needed," is it truly bad?

3) Even if it's illegal in a state, is it Godly to smoke marijuana? (I don't think so)

4) To a New Christian with a lot of friends who smoke marijuana, what other advice could I be giving them besides what I have listed?

5) I know there are more angles to this argument. Please let me know if I'm missing something that could further suppprt this topic.

Once again, bless you all that participate and can help me clarify what God wants the lives of His children! His law and His word are supreme; for I do not want to follow anything that isn't in Him. He delivered me from a lifetime of sin and I am forever grateful to His endless love and support, and only wish to allow Him to channel His will through me. God bless and may He always be with you!

Greetings,

Medical marijuana has absolutely nothing to do with smoking a joint. For the longest time, I was against medical marijuana because that is what I thought it was, but now I am no longer against it.
 
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Correct.

I would be in favor of approved medical testing (like for any pharmaceutical coming to the market) and if that is successful, regulating it similar to other strong prescription meds.

Yeesh, relax man smoke a joint. :) Just kidding.
 
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