The Law is not Abrogated: What does this mean?

SAAN said:

Take Peters vision in Acts 10

Acts 10:10-14
10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”

14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”

Jesus has been dead now for probably a couple of decades and Peter still isnt eating unclean foods, because they knew the dietary laws WERE NOT canceled, so when you get to Acts 10:28 the vision was revealed for this to be about Gentiles and not referring to them as unclean.

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Indeed - long after Mark 7 Peter is not eating rats, cats or bats nor even diseased beef.

stuart lawrence said:

So did the council of Jerusalem in Acts ch15 give gentiles a licence to sin in your view?

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That was s start for them, just like if you start a job, they give you basic rules to follow and learn more as you go along

Acts 15
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

It doesnt mention murder or stealing here, but that doesnt make it okay, does it?

stuart lawrence said:

No he wasn't, that wasn't mentioned in rom ch14

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The whole issue in Romans 14 is about fasting and choosing what days they wanted to eat meat or not.

Romans 14
14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

19 Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense. 21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak. 22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

stuart lawrence said:

Rom14:20
ALL food is clean

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Rom 14:20 20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

Witchcraft is not pure nor is diseased meat, nor cannibalism nor... The context of Romans 14:20 cannot be deleted and still get the right meaning from it.

"in the text" of Romans 14 it is about vegetarian vs meat

2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.

--- it does not even discuss the idea of one-kind-of-meat vs another-kind-of-meat.

this is irrefutable. The facts of the text itself.

and we notice that it is not JEWS in 1 Cor 10 that are eating vegetables only and are callled "weak in faith" rather it is GENTILES. Because Jewish religion of the OT "required" the eating of meat as part of their worship service during annual feast days. etc.

stuart lawrence said:

I'm afraid that's a desperate response

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You have free will of course.

BobRyan said:

Romans 14 discusses eating meat vs being vegetarian.

It does not discuss eating rats vs eating beef -- instead of "two kinds of meat" it discusses meat vs no meat at all. THAT is the content and context of Romans 14 - just like it is in 1Cor 10

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You are making it up as you go along in order to try and defend SDA belief

SAAN said:

The whole issue in Romans 14 is about fasting and choosing what days they wanted to eat meat or not.

Romans 14
14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

19 Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense. 21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak. 22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

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Your first paragraph also us making it up as you go along

BobRyan said:

Rom 14:20 20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

Witchcraft is not pure nor is diseased meat, nor cannibalism nor... The context of Romans 14:20 cannot be deleted and still get the right meaning from it.

"in the text" of Romans 14 it is about vegetarian vs meat

2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.

--- it does not even discuss the idea of one-kind-of-meat vs another-kind-of-meat.

this is irrefutable. The facts of the text itself.

and we notice that it is not JEWS in 1 Cor 10 that are eating vegetables only and are callled "weak in faith" rather it is GENTILES. Because Jewish religion of the OT "required" the eating of meat as part of their worship service during annual feast days. etc.



You have free will of course.

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I really have no interest in continuing this with you. You are having to add and subtract, twist and turn scripture in order to cling to the sdas misguided belief.
For the record. For you, you should avoid the Levitical unclean foods, you shouldn't tell everyone else they must

pescador said:

"[Jesus] said to them, “Are you so foolish? Don’t you understand that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him? For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.” (This means all foods are clean.)" Mark 7:18-19

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Christ was teaching that you can't be defiled by unwashed hands. The Pharisees and Israelites taught people that it defiles you to eat with unwashed hands. Why would Christ just randomly jump over to the topic of clean and unclean animals? The subject wasn't about eating clean vs unclean. It was about man-made tradition and putting it above the word of God. Also, the words inside the parenthesis are NOT in the original text(the ones that says "Jesus declared all foods clean").

JESUS WASNT TALKING TO THEM ABOUT CLEAN AND UNCLEAN ANIMALS!

According to God, eating unclean animals defiles you, makes you unclean, and is abominable. And btw, uncleanness is a work of the flesh (Galatians 5:19)

Leviticus 11:42-45

Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.
For I am יהוה your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
For I am יהוה that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

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1 Cor 10
23 All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify. 24 Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor. 25 Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience’ sake; 26 for the earth is the Lord’s, and all it contains. 27 If one of the unbelievers invites you and you want to go, eat anything that is set before you without asking questions for conscience’ sake. 28 But if anyone says to you, “This is meat sacrificed to idols,” do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience’ sake; 29 I mean not your own conscience, but the other man’s; for why is my freedom judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered concerning that for which I give thanks?

1. I think we all agree that murder and taking God's name in vain - are NOT lawful. But CONTEXT limits the scope of the 1Cor 10 "ALL things are lawful" - so that we do NOT need to press it beyond its context into commandment breaking.

1 Cor 8
7 However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8 But food will not commend us to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat. 9 But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone sees you, who have knowledge, dining in an idol’s temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, be strengthened to eat things sacrificed to idols? 11 For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died. 12 And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble.

Romans 14
2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.

The "WEAK" one in this NT context is the gentile accustomed the false religion of idols. The STRONG in faith in this context - is the Jew who was always worshiping the ONE true God - and has no regard at all for stone/wood idols or the food offered to them and never did ... Christian or not.

stuart lawrence said:

I really have no interest in continuing this with you.

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You have free will - you can do as you please.

SAAN said:

That was s start for them, just like if you start a job, they give you basic rules to follow and learn more as you go along

Acts 15
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

It doesnt mention murder or stealing here, but that doesnt make it okay, does it?

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Well years later they confirmed to Paul their decision concerning to only ask gentiles to obey four Jewish laws. So it didn't turn out to be a start did it!
Nevertheless. If you are right, that council gave gentile converts a licence to sin. No way round that I'm afraid.
As for murder and stealing . Why weren't they mentioned?
Because those laws are written in the mind and placed in the heart of every believer. That's one of the two core principals on which the NC stands

pescador said:

"[Jesus] said to them, “Are you so foolish? Don’t you understand that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him? For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.” (This means all foods are clean.)" Mark 7:18-19

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In Mark 7 the debate is over eating "bread" -- they are not discussing eating rats or diseased beef at all. They are talking about eating "bread" a food for which there is no command in the OT calling bread "unclean".

The mark 7 discussion is about the "hands" being "unclean" after coming in contact with gentiles in the market place - you were supposed to ceremonially "baptismo" your fingers from sin - that had gotten on them -- according to the totally-made-up-tradition of the Pharisees.

Mark 7
The Pharisees and some of the scribes gathered around Him when they had come from Jerusalem, 2 and had seen that some of His disciples were eating their bread with impure hands, that is, unwashed. 3 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thus observing the traditions of the elders; 4 and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they cleanse themselves; and there are many other things which they have received in order to observe, such as the washing of cups and pitchers and copper pots.) 5 The Pharisees and the scribes *asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with impure hands?” 6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.

That is the context for the Mark 7 teaching of Christ -- tossing out the context to make a point totally counter to the context is not "compelling".

Christ's teaching -- Mark 7

7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the Word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

So then Jesus speaks clearly about the issue of "sin" and that it is not something you get on our fingers - then touch your food -- then when you eat that sin gets inside you.

18 And He *said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.) 20 And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, 22 deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. 23 All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”

That is not a discussion about eating diseased beef or about eating rats. AS if eating diseased beef would not cause illness.

Context matters.

Bible details matter.

stuart lawrence said:

Well years later they confirmed to Paul their decision concerning to only ask gentiles to obey four Jewish laws.

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According to 2 Peter 1:20-21 the bible is not "jewish laws" -- it is the Word of God.

And in Acts 15 they say nothing at all about loving God with all the heart Deut 6:5 nor do they say anything about not taking God's name in vain - Exodus 20:7.

The reason is because as James points out in Acts 15 - the gentiles are 'hearing Moses preached every Sabbath in the Synagogues" -- gentiles would already be hearing that.

stuart lawrence said:

Well years later they confirmed to Paul their decision concerning to only ask gentiles to obey four Jewish laws. So it didn't turn out to be a start did it!
Nevertheless. If you are right, that council gave gentile converts a licence to sin. No way round that I'm afraid.
As for murder and stealing . Why weren't they mentioned?
Because those laws are written in the mind and placed in the heart of every believer. That's one of the two core principals on which the NC stands

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They were told 4 things to start with, because every Sabbath, when the "gentile believers" would meet with the Israelite believers of Christ, they would hear the Torah of Moses being read, and they would learn to apply the commandments to their life.

For example, the gentiles coming into the faith during the time period of Acts 15, may have loved pork, shrimp, and many other abominations. BUT, once they came into the faith, and heard God's commandments, they SHOULD think "Geez, I've been eating this abominable stuff my whole life and God says we aren't supposed to. God says it's unclean, abominable, and defiles us".


At that time, they didn't have iPhones and laptops - you couldn't read what God told Moses all over the world. You had to go to the land of Israel and hear them reading the Torah & Prophets in person. Which is why Jacob(commonly called James) mentioned that the Torah was read every Sabbath in the synagogues. He knew the gentile believers coming into faith would learn the Torah over time and apply it to their lives - but they should start with 4 key things.

Acts 15:21

For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

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The Torah of Moses helps us learn what sin is. Stealing, killing, whoring around, eating unclean animals, idolatry etc are ALL sin, and you don't know these things are sin until you read where God told Moses that His people
Are NOT to do all these things

BobRyan said:

According to 2 Peter 1:20-21 the bible is not "jewish laws" -- it is the Word of God.

And in Acts 15 they say nothing at all about loving God with all the heart Deut 6:5 nor do they say anything about not taking God's name in vain - Exodus 20:7.

The reason is because as James points out in Acts 15 - the gentiles are 'hearing Moses preached every Sabbath in the Synagogues" -- gentiles would already be hearing that.

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No, the reason is because loving God with all your heart and taking the Lord's name in vain are written in the mind and placed on the heart of every born again Christian.
And so I was truly amazed to find SDA members who passionately insisted the TC must be obeyed laughing and joking as they took the Lord's name in vain

Dkh587 said:

They were told 4 things to start with, because every Sabbath, when the "gentile believers" would meet with the Israelite believers of Christ, they would hear the Torah of Moses being read, and they would learn to apply the commandments to their life.

For example, the gentiles coming into the faith during the time period of Acts 15, may have loved pork, shrimp, and many other abominations. BUT, once they came into the faith, and heard God's commandments, they SHOULD think "Geez, I've been eating this abominable stuff my whole life and God says we aren't supposed to. God says it's unclean, abominable, and defiles us".


At that time, they didn't have iPhones and laptops - you couldn't read what God told Moses all over the world. You had to go to the land of Israel and hear them reading the Torah & Prophets in person. Which is why Jacob(commonly called James) mentioned that the Torah was read every Sabbath in the synagogues. He knew the gentile believers coming into faith would learn the Torah over time and apply it to their lives - but they should start with 4 key things.

Acts 15:21


The Torah of Moses helps us learn what sin is. Stealing, killing, whoring around, eating unclean animals, idolatry etc are ALL sin, and you don't know these things are sin until you read where God told Moses that His people
Are NOT to do all these things
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Nonsense! Years later they confirmed to Paul their decision to ONLY ask gentile converts to follow the laws they were asked to in Acts ch15

To those willing to see.
If you transgress any applicable law of God you commit sin.
It seems a couple of people, in order to try and justify their beliefs, are now trying to say the council of Jerusalem was justified in giving gentile converts a licence to sin( according to their beliefs)

I guess they must be antinomian

stuart lawrence said:

Well years later they confirmed to Paul their decision concerning to only ask gentiles to obey four Jewish laws.

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According to 2 Peter 1:20-21 the bible is not "jewish laws" -- it is the Word of God.

And in Acts 15 they say nothing at all about loving God with all the heart Deut 6:5 nor do they say anything about not taking God's name in vain - Exodus 20:7.

The reason is because as James points out in Acts 15 - the gentiles are 'hearing Moses preached every Sabbath in the Synagogues" -- gentiles would already be hearing that.

Acts 15
19 Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, 20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. 21 For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

stuart lawrence said:

No, the reason is because loving God with all your heart and taking the Lord's name in vain are written in the mind and placed on the heart of every born again Christian.

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I find your logic "illusive" in the great distance you are maintaining from the Bible details in Acts 15.

Acts 15
28 “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: 29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.”

Your argument that everything else in the OT is written on the heart and so should not be mentioned here - suggests that the idea that committing fornication is not something that is written on the heart and so it must be written in Acts 15.. Really"???

And does Paul mention the requirement to honor parents in Eph 6:2 (as another example of the TEN Commandments -- ) - because that too is not written on the heart under the New Covenant??

And so I was truly amazed to find SDA members who passionately insisted the TC must be obeyed laughing and joking as they took the Lord's name in vain

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It is hard to believe that all these pro-sunday sources affirming all TEN of the Ten Commandments for all mankind -- are all "SDA".

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

Seems a little too simplistic to have that as your "solution". Nor does the idea that you might be able to accuse every person in all groups affirming the Ten Commandments of "taking God's name in vain - while laughing" -- appear to be a satisfactory solution.

BobRyan said:

According to 2 Peter 1:20-21 the bible is not "jewish laws" -- it is the Word of God.

And in Acts 15 they say nothing at all about loving God with all the heart Deut 6:5 nor do they say anything about not taking God's name in vain - Exodus 20:7.

The reason is because as James points out in Acts 15 - the gentiles are 'hearing Moses preached every Sabbath in the Synagogues" -- gentiles would already be hearing that.

Acts 15
19 Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, 20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. 21 For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”



I find your logic "illusive" in the great distance you are maintaining from the Bible details in Acts 15.

Acts 15
28 “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: 29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.”

Your argument that everything else in the OT is written on the heart and so should not be mentioned here - suggests that the idea that committing fornication is not something that is written on the heart and so it must be written in Acts 15.. Really"???

And does Paul mention the requirement to honor parents in Eph 6:2 (as another example of the TEN Commandments -- ) - because that too is not written on the heart under the New Covenant??



It is hard to believe that all these pro-sunday sources affirming all TEN of the Ten Commandments for all mankind -- are all "SDA".

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

Seems a little too simplistic to have that as your "solution".

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Nothing of importance to read in the above. Just more errant logic in order to try and justify errant beliefs.
The law God desires you to obey is written in your mind and placed on your heart.
Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

I am quite well aware of the wording of the fourth of the TC and which day the seventh day was.
As I have no consciousness I commit sin by failing to observe a specific seventh day sabbath that law as written CANNOT be written on my mind and placed on my heart.
Therefore you must believe I am heathen and unsaved( if you have your theology straight)
I would chat to those you accept as Christians if I was you. Then I get a break from your desperate attempts and errant logic to overturn very plain scripture

Not only must the council of Jerusalem have given gentile converts a licence to sin in Acts ch15( if a couple of people are right in this thread) they didn't repent of doing it! Years later they were still giving gentile converts a licence to sin( Acts21:25) and obviously had no plans to change their minds

And these people were the head of the Christian church, some had been Christ's disciples
Shame on them! ( if a couple of people in this thread are correct)

stuart lawrence said:

Well years later they confirmed to Paul their decision concerning to only ask gentiles to obey four Jewish laws.

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According to 2 Peter 1:20-21 the bible is not "jewish laws" -- it is the Word of God.

And in Acts 15 they say nothing at all about loving God with all the heart Deut 6:5 nor do they say anything about not taking God's name in vain - Exodus 20:7.

The reason is because as James points out in Acts 15 - the gentiles are 'hearing Moses preached every Sabbath in the Synagogues" -- gentiles would already be hearing that.

Acts 15
19 Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, 20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. 21 For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

stuart lawrence said:

No, the reason is because loving God with all your heart and taking the Lord's name in vain are written in the mind and placed on the heart of every born again Christian.

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I find your logic "illusive" in the great distance you are maintaining from the Bible details in Acts 15.

Acts 15
28 “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: 29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.”

Your argument that everything else in the OT is written on the heart and so should not be mentioned here - suggests that the idea that committing fornication is not something that is written on the heart and so it must be written in Acts 15.. Really"???

And does Paul mention the requirement to honor parents in Eph 6:2 (as another example of the TEN Commandments -- ) - because that too is not written on the heart under the New Covenant??

stuart lawrence said:

Nothing of importance to read in the above. Just more errant logic

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A simplistic solution to much-ignored-Bible-details -.... again?

You have free will - you can choose as you wish.

The mark 7 discussion is about the "hands" being "unclean" after coming in contact with gentiles in the market place - you were supposed to ceremonially "baptismo" your fingers from sin - that had gotten on them -- according to the totally-made-up-tradition of the Pharisees.

Mark 7
The Pharisees and some of the scribes gathered around Him when they had come from Jerusalem, 2 and had seen that some of His disciples were eating their bread with impure hands, that is, unwashed. 3 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thus observing the traditions of the elders; 4 and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they cleanse themselves; and there are many other things which they have received in order to observe, such as the washing of cups and pitchers and copper pots.) 5 The Pharisees and the scribes *asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with impure hands?” 6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.

That is the context for the Mark 7 teaching of Christ -- tossing out the context to make a point totally counter to the context is not "compelling".

Christ's teaching -- Mark 7

7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the Word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

So then Jesus speaks clearly about the issue of "sin" and that it is not something you get on our fingers - then touch your food -- then when you eat that sin gets inside you.

18 And He *said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.) 20 And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, 22 deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. 23 All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”

That is not a discussion about eating diseased beef or about eating rats. AS if eating diseased beef would not cause illness.

Context matters.

Bible details matter.

stuart lawrence said:

To those willing to see.
If you transgress any applicable law of God you commit sin.

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Agreed. That is the easy part.