The Law

Serving Zion · Jul 27, 2017

Aseyesee said:
God to Noah ...

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things."

Yes, Noah was righteous, but seemingly not as holy as the priesthood of the covenant! (Genesis 9:20-21, Genesis 17:6-8, Numbers 6:3).

Aseyesee said:
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Why did God seemingly change his mind with Moses ...

It is because God had redeemed Israel from Egypt and they had entered a covenant with Him by which He would be sanctified through their holy conduct. This is so that the nations would recognise His holiness as it is represented through them, and would come to learn from their example. See this vision expressed in Zechariah 8, for instance.

Hence: no idolatry or irreverence for God, no murdering, slandering, thieving, despising - basically just do what is good and right by God and by others; let every man praise God for life and do not deprive others for one's own sake - that is, to be holy. God gave the Ten Commandments for this purpose, and as time went on with more iterations of lost ones in positions to judge and teach (Matthew 9:36, John 3:10, Luke 11:52), it became necessary to legislate more details (eg: Proverbs 20:23, Matthew 21:13).

One aspect of this covenant as a finer detail, (reflecting that some within their community had not inherently manifested holy character), is to refrain from defiling ones self by eating an apparently vile creature. It has been mentioned in this thread that a vulture is seen to be a vile creature because it scavenges carcasses and feasts on unclean meat.

Consider Ezekiel 4:12-15 - do you understand why the prophet views human dung as more unclean than cow dung?

miknik5 · Jul 27, 2017

Aseyesee said:
I see life, being that the commandment came from heaven (so to speak); if it leads to heaven then it must first have came down from heaven.

So why didn't we listen?

Aseyesee · Jul 27, 2017

Serving Zion said:
Yes, Noah was righteous, but seemingly not as holy as the priesthood of the covenant! (Genesis 9:20-21, Genesis 17:6-8, Numbers 6:3).

It is because God had redeemed Israel from Egypt and they had entered a covenant with Him by which He would be sanctified through their holy conduct. This is so that the nations would recognise His holiness as it is represented through them, and would come to learn from their example. See this vision expressed in Zechariah 8, for instance.

Hence: no idolatry or irreverence for God, no murdering, slandering, thieving, despising - basically just do what is good and right by God and by others; let every man praise God for life and do not deprive others for one's own sake - that is, to be holy. God gave the Ten Commandments for this purpose, and as time went on with more iterations of lost ones in positions to judge and teach (Matthew 9:36, John 3:10, Luke 11:52), it became necessary to legislate more details (eg: Proverbs 20:23, Matthew 21:13).

One aspect of this covenant as a finer detail, (reflecting that some within their community had not inherently manifested holy character), is to refrain from defiling ones self by eating an apparently vile creature. It has been mentioned in this thread that a vulture is seen to be a vile creature because it scavenges carcasses and feasts on unclean meat.

Consider Ezekiel 4:12-15 - do you understand why the prophet views human dung as more unclean than cow dung?

Yet the mountain is Hagar to them, and the land spits them out, no less than Adam, Cain, or Ishmael, etc ...

Aseyesee · Jul 27, 2017

miknik5 said:
So why didn't we listen?

If God had not said, we would have had no sin ...

Our footsteps have been ordered from the beginning.

miknik5 · Jul 27, 2017

Aseyesee said:
Yet the mountain is Hagar to them, and the land spits them out, no less than Adam, Cain, or Ishmael, etc ...

If Adam was rejected then there could be no hope for the souls of any men

Adam was simply covered over and sent from GOD's PRESENCE until the RIGHT COVERING/GARMENT would come to do just that..,cover

Serving Zion · Jul 27, 2017

Aseyesee said:
Yet the mountain is Hagar to them, and the land spits them out, no less than Adam, Cain, or Ishmael, etc ...

I'm not sure how you mean for me to gain from this. Hagar seems to be a figurative concept in your view that I might have not learned yet.

Anyhow, have you received sufficient information from my comments here, to understand how the command was to preserve the spiritual sanctity of the holy people? Have you understood why it wasn't stipulated before the covenant was established?

BobRyan · Jul 27, 2017

Aseyesee said:
How did the animals get from "very good" to both "clean and unclean ..."

Genesis 1 God does not say "the animals are all very good to eat".

toLiJC · Jul 27, 2017

Aseyesee said:
How did the animals get from "very good" to both "clean and unclean ..."

in the beginning, before the Fall, all animals were good, but then many of them became bad, because the "sin" and "death" brought predatory, aggressive and poisonous nature to the world of animals, and, as a result, many of them underwent metamorphosis

as for the unclean animals that worshipers must not have eaten, for the time before the establishment/enactment of the New Covenant there had not been enough grace to protect all worshipers from the harmful effects of pathogenic microorganisms and poisons/toxins that could be found in certain animals (for example if some pig ate poisonous plants/fruits, its meat could be full of toxins), which is why the consumption of meat from such animals had been prohibited by the law of the old covenant

Blessings

Aseyesee · Jul 27, 2017

BobRyan said:
Genesis 1 God does not say "the animals are all very good to eat".

He doesn't say he created them clean and unclean either, knowing there end as such concerning the law of their mother, a mountain in the wilderness.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 27, 2017

Aseyesee said:
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Why did God seemingly change his mind with Moses ...

You do realize YHWH did not change His mind, right ?

The heathen do as the heathen do - not set apart like YHWH'S people, ever.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 27, 2017

miknik5 said:
So why didn't we listen?

When have people ever listened to YHWH ? (on earth, throughout history)

YHWH says through His Word Why They Don't Listen.

Who Cares ?

Aseyesee · Jul 27, 2017

toLiJC said:
in the beginning, before the Fall, all animals were good, but then many of them became bad, because the "sin" and "death" brought predatory, aggressive and poisonous nature to the world of animals, and, as a result, many of them underwent metamorphosis

as for the unclean animals that worshipers must not have eaten, for the time before the establishment/enactment of the New Covenant there had not been enough grace to protect all worshipers from the harmful effects of pathogenic microorganisms and poisons/toxins that could be found in certain animals (for example if some pig ate poisonous plants/fruits, its meat could be full of toxins), which is why the consumption of meat from such animals had been prohibited by the law of the old covenant

Blessings

Both clean and unclean went into the ark that Noah (the 10th from Adam) built, and all that came out of it God gave him for food.

Aseyesee · Jul 27, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
You do realize YHWH did not change His mind, right ?

The heathen do as the heathen do - not set apart like YHWH'S people, ever.

Why the difference then?

It says God was sorry he created man on the earth; though he knew the outcome of doing so.

Serving Zion · Jul 27, 2017

Aseyesee said:
Both clean and unclean went into the ark that Noah (the 10th from Adam) built, and all that came out of it God gave him for food.

Hi there Aeyesee, I have given you good information for this in post 41, are you able to explain to me why my words in that post are not sufficient in your view, to answer this question of yours?

Aseyesee · Jul 28, 2017

Serving Zion said:
Yes, Noah was righteous, but seemingly not as holy as the priesthood of the covenant! (Genesis 9:20-21, Genesis 17:6-8, Numbers 6:3).

It is because God had redeemed Israel from Egypt and they had entered a covenant with Him by which He would be sanctified through their holy conduct. This is so that the nations would recognise His holiness as it is represented through them, and would come to learn from their example. See this vision expressed in Zechariah 8, for instance.

Israel was an ensample of what to do as much as they were an ensample of what not to do; they were both clean and unclean, which the law out of Sinai was a constant reminder of.

One of Aaron’s official acts as a priest at Mount Sinai (where the law came forth) is to make a God for Israel … this Noah did, but in a different form, which later would be just as significant to Israel as a picture of God’s firstborn (an Ishmael), as it was to why the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.

God disassociates himself with the child he delivered, referring to them as Moses’ people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, at one point before they have ever reached the land of promise, to kill them all and start over with Moses; instead of the whole earth as it was with Noah, it is now down to one nation, which eventually is narrowed down to one man, just as God had begun.

miknik5 · Jul 28, 2017

Aseyesee said:
Why the difference then?

It says God was sorry he created man on the earth; though he knew the outcome of doing so.

HE made a promise as long as it is seedtime and harvest, the earth will remain

The harvester hasn't come yet and who knows, maybe the crops will grow well

miknik5 · Jul 28, 2017

Aseyesee said:
Israel was an ensample of what to do as much as they were an ensample of what not to do; they were both clean and unclean, which the law out of Sinai was a constant reminder of.

One of Aaron’s official acts as a priest at Mount Sinai (where the law came forth) is to make a God for Israel … this Noah did, but in a different form, which later would be just as significant to Israel as a picture of God’s firstborn (an Ishmael), as it was to why the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.

God disassociates himself with the child he delivered, referring to them as Moses’ people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, at one point before they have ever reached the land of promise, to kill them all and start over with Moses; instead of the whole earth as it was with Noah, it is now down to one nation, which eventually is narrowed down to one man, just as God had begun.

Concentrate on Moses and his position between GOD and man

Aaron wasn't the one who went into the presence of GOD. Aaron listened to the world and was influenced by the demands of people who did not know GOD

As to Abraham and THE PROMISE to Abraham, GOD was specific in distinguishing sndvidenridying by name THE PROMISES SON

It was neither Ishmael or Isaac (though Isaac was the specified sign and not Ishmael)

GOD always makes a distinction and calls whom HE calls

miknik5 · Jul 28, 2017

Also concentrate on Moses" intercession

GOD did tell Moses HE wasn't going up with this people but Moses interceded

Didn't he?

(Exodus 33)

Aseyesee · Jul 28, 2017

miknik5 said:
HE made a promise as long as it is seedtime and harvest, the earth will remain

The harvester hasn't come yet and who knows, maybe the crops will grow well

The Jordan overflows it's banks, all the time of harvest in relation to Jerusalem, where the law proceeds out of.

listed · Jul 28, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
You do realize YHWH did not change His mind, right ?

The heathen do as the heathen do - not set apart like YHWH'S people, ever.

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