What Spirit is behind the redistribution of wealth?

frienden thalord · May 5, 2017

Their is a spirit behind this move. It was found in a man.
what man was it. Ponder and pray.
a hint. IT CRIES this can be given to the poor
but its not really for the poor.

JES1023 · May 6, 2017

Judas Iscaroit.

JackRT · May 6, 2017

You reject justice on the basis of the behaviour of one man?

JES1023 · May 6, 2017

Jack for some yes this can be justice; but when I see government involved I see this as a way to make themselves richer.

frienden thalord · May 6, 2017

JackRT said:
You reject justice on the basis of the behaviour of one man?

Oh no my friend. I reject no justice.
LET the church do good. instead of heaping up riches.............we should be the ones giving.
their is far enough money in them prosperity churches, in all religoins
and specially in rome. She and her daughters sit atop of enough money to feed ALL the poor of this world
yet they do the bidding of the govt , and try and Rob others to do the very job they and us all should be doing.
This redistribution of wealth, Is propagandized to sound like its for the poor
BUT WHO HOLDS THE BAG this money will be put into.
THIS money could be given to the poor they say................but they say it not for the poors sake
they say it because they HOLD the bag and will keep and control what is put in.
JUDAS ISCARIOT in pretense hollered for the poor too...............oh but his heart was not for the poor
he said this because he was covetous and KEPT what was put in the bag......
THIS IS all for power and control.

frienden thalord · May 6, 2017

I never once heard JESUS say...................STEAL from the rich to give to the poor.
I know full well, its EVIL that the rich do store up.
but I know far well........that also stealing wont lead the rich to Christ.
PREACH the gospel , that would cause some to hear and perhaps be like zacheus , who heard
repented and became a giver.
But oh no, that is not the agenda of the church anymore , nor the govt
the agenda is power and control. and the gospel is seen as intolerant , not loving , not inclusive
oh but the money , now that they do DESIRE.
wake up people, wake up. fore its too late.

frienden thalord · May 6, 2017

JES1023 said:
Jack for some yes this can be justice; but when I see government involved I see this as a way to make themselves richer.

Jack, we love you. But this man is right.
instead of seeking the American dream of prosperity.
why not sell some of what we have , live plainer , give to those who have need.
if we all lived plain. THINK of all the money we could give to the poor ourselves.
Ponder this. because also know , we all will be held accountable for how we treated the poor.
and if we saw poor, yet held back , GOD SEES ALL. HE knows all things.
we have plenty. Even our low peoples have more than most in the world.
so let us all ponder this today. We are not above our master
HE IS KING , yet lived lowly.
we should all follow that pattern and all things HE SAID.
Be blessed and praise the Lord.

JackRT · May 6, 2017

The late Archbishop Dom Helder Camara (of Recife Brazil): "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist."

yeshuaslavejeff · May 8, 2017

Jesus did not say ask why someone is poor - where it is done, blaming the poor for being poor, is evil no matter where ....

Justice ? The rich have many friends, but when a man has no money, even his friends are far away....

True this: If a man will not work, neither should he eat - hunger as a motive is fine and Biblical;
but oppression, enforced poverty, taking away jobs, taking away farms and farm land,
and all such practices all over the world , by rich governing and the "rich" church, without generous caring for the poor locally ,
is evil done by the system as always has been

NeedyFollower · May 30, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Jesus did not say ask why someone is poor - where it is done, blaming the poor for being poor, is evil no matter where ....

Justice ? The rich have many friends, but when a man has no money, even his friends are far away....

True this: If a man will not work, neither should he eat - hunger as a motive is fine and Biblical;
but oppression, enforced poverty, taking away jobs, taking away farms and farm land,
and all such practices all over the world , by rich governing and the "rich" church, without generous caring for the poor locally ,
is evil done by the system as always has been

Yes I agree ..at some point the church and state got married. Then through the ideas of dispensationalist and humanist ( think better government and the "rights of MAN " ) it was determined that the governments of this world were to do the job of Christ ..it seemed like a good thing but as we know " There is a way that seems right unto man and that way leads to death. " Is it not unrealistic to expect "those who savor the things that be of men " to care about the things which be of God ? " Lord, make my brother divide my inheritance with me . " Not a dishonest request ..certainly fair and just . And or Lord's reply : Man , who made me a judge or a divider over you ? Take heed and beware of covetousness for a man's life consist not of the abundance of the things which he posses. " It seems that "the church" has delegated it's authority to the world ...teach our children, feed our poor, care for the elderly ...we call it better government.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jun 12, 2017

NeedyFollower said:
It seems that "the church" has delegated it's authority to the world ...teach our children, feed our poor, care for the elderly ...we call it better government.

Yes, not only seems like.
As it is written, the beast has caused the leaders of all the nations to ("....... ........ .... ....") unholy join together.

It is far worse government now, today, and getting more wicked daily, everywhere (maybe rare exception, like Schindler, and like that one Christian leader that just got removed in Takarda a couple months ago) exactly as written.

The true believers have not caved in , will not submit to the world government, and will not take the required mark/ will not trust the world government to meet their(our) needs, even though tortured and crucified.

Extravagantliy generous are the true believers, as God has been extravagantly generous with us (in blessing us with every spiritual , especially and most importantly our names are written in the book of life - REJOICE GREATLY! as JESUS SAYS ! ) ....

HandstoWorkHeartstoGod · Jul 26, 2017

Matthew 25 continues to humble me on an ongoing basis.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 26, 2017

HandstoWorkHeartstoGod said:
Matthew 25 continues to humble me on an ongoing basis.

46 And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.
No middle ground. No in-between choices.

[let everyone who has not chosen yet] Choose TODAY who to serve. It may be the FINAL choice.

HandstoWorkHeartstoGod · Jul 26, 2017

My life must display what I believe. Matthew 25 continues to humble me on an ongoing basis.

Jesuscentered · Jul 27, 2017

For those who don't believe in the redistribution of wealth amongst Christians, please explain 2 Corinthians 8: 13-15...

13 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. 14 At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, 15 as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.”

Yes, this is written to the Christian church. But please remember that Christians at this time shared everything and lived as a Christian community. Not because they were persecuted, but because it was what God commanded of them. Paul explains it here in Corinthians. It has everything to do with humility and sacrifice. The question is... what are we willing to sacrifice for others and therefore, to God?

NeedyFollower · Jul 29, 2017

Jesuscentered said:
For those who don't believe in the redistribution of wealth amongst Christians, please explain 2 Corinthians 8: 13-15...

13 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. 14 At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, 15 as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.”

Yes, this is written to the Christian church. But please remember that Christians at this time shared everything and lived as a Christian community. Not because they were persecuted, but because it was what God commanded of them. Paul explains it here in Corinthians. It has everything to do with humility and sacrifice. The question is... what are we willing to sacrifice for others and therefore, to God?

It is interesting that in the book of Daniel it mentions that the last prince will do what no other prince will do , he will destroy wonderfully ..and I think the translation of wonderfully is " through prosperity . " And this is not the prosperity gospel which is an obvious lie and preached on TV ( which most Anabaptist do not have anyway ) but is actually common even among Christians of a plain background. In America at least , the joy of giving to the needy has been taken away from the church and given to the government ( who does not love the souls and eternal well being of the recipients. ) Many churches do soup kitchens and food give aways but it is often in conjunction with a co-op with no cost to the givers other than time . ( and it is often not done in love as there is no follow up and discipleship to the recipients or is done as a way to increase "church membership" ..We are truly in perilous times . May God have mercy on us .

Jesuscentered · Jul 29, 2017

NeedyFollower said:
It is interesting that in the book of Daniel it mentions that the last prince will do what no other prince will do , he will destroy wonderfully ..and I think the translation of wonderfully is " through prosperity . " And this is not the prosperity gospel which is an obvious lie and preached on TV ( which most Anabaptist do not have anyway ) but is actually common even among Christians of a plain background. In America at least , the joy of giving to the needy has been taken away from the church and given to the government ( who does not love the souls and eternal well being of the recipients. ) Many churches do soup kitchens and food give aways but it is often in conjunction with a co-op with no cost to the givers other than time . ( and it is often not done in love as there is no follow up and discipleship to the recipients or is done as a way to increase "church membership" ..We are truly in perilous times . May God have mercy on us .

That's because we do not live as Christ intended the Church to live. We, as the saying goes, want our cake and eat it, too... In this world AND of this world. We are called to live as a Christian community, meaning... we are called to take care of one another and see that all needs are met. We don't do that in America, because we just don't think that way. We have a survival of the fittest mentality. Our greed and desire for control in our lives has control of most of us here in America. Most of us Christians would never live as we are called to live.

NeedyFollower · Aug 2, 2017

Jesuscentered said:
That's because we do not live as Christ intended the Church to live. We, as the saying goes, want our cake and eat it, too... In this world AND of this world. We are called to live as a Christian community, meaning... we are called to take care of one another and see that all needs are met. We don't do that in America, because we just don't think that way. We have a survival of the fittest mentality. Our greed and desire for control in our lives has control of most of us here in America. Most of us Christians would never live as we are called to live.

Ah but would it not be a great blessing to be able to do so ? I know many brothers and sisters from a plain /formerly Amish background but unfortunately they tend to remain in isolated locations a

WayneinMaine · Aug 30, 2017

Jesus proclaimed that the Kingdom of God is within our grasp (at hand) and that it is among us. Sadly most of us choose not to be a part of that Kingdom, we choose to keep our possessions rather than see that there are no poor among us (because we have all things common). Then we align ourselves with the kingdoms of this world and their factions and point fingers because "they" are not taking care of the poor. We close the doors to our communities as tightly as we close our purses and we wonder why the world does not believe the Good news of the Kingdom. By the way we live, we make Jesus into a liar, we contradict Him saying: "The kingdom of God is not really here on earth..." or "The Kingdom is spiritual, not something tangible". If the kingdom of God is invisible it is because it is nearly empty of citizens.

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 2, 2017

WayneinMaine said:
We close the doors to our communities as tightly as we close our purses and we wonder why the world does not believe the Good news of the Kingdom. By the way we live, we make Jesus into a liar, we contradict Him

"we"? Most places, yes - this is correct - greed is everywhere, and deception.
but
not amongst true ekklesia - "we" true ekklesia stand out from all the rest of the world, even not seeking attention at all for ourselves,
because we are so different from "them" - the world, including religious world.

WayneinMaine said:
If the kingdom of God is invisible it is because it is nearly empty of citizens.

In some places it is visible, and seen even by unbelievers. Not many places, but some.

Not "empty", but "few" are saved.

In many areas, this does mean "empty" for people seeking/ looking/ and not finding (YHWH'S KINGDOM).

Yet still, YHWH PROMISES He has called and chosen and set apart some from among every people (/nation),
so no one in any place has an excuse like "I couldn't be saved because...." ...

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