Has God Called Every Person?

Hammster · Jul 25, 2017

Thursday said:
Some are, not all. Those who endure will be saved.

Not even Paul claimed to have finished the race.

Phil 3
10I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.
12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.

2 Tim 2:12
if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;

So then you think Paul was wrong when he said that those who are called are also justified.

Thanks. Nothing more here.

Hammster · Jul 25, 2017

Thursday said:
He is the savior of all.

Not if everyone isn't saved.

EmSw · Jul 25, 2017

Hammster said:
So then you think Paul was wrong when he said that those who are called are also justified.

Thanks. Nothing more here.

Well, Judas was called. Are you saying he was justified?

Thursday · Jul 25, 2017

Hammster said:
So then you think Paul was wrong when he said that those who are called are also justified.

Thanks. Nothing more here.

You are distorting Paul's words to suit your own agenda.

Paul is talking about the order of events.

Paul is quite clear that we must endure to be saved. He is also clear that he doesn't claim to have accomplished salvation yet.

Hammster · Jul 25, 2017

Thursday said:
You are distorting Paul's words to suit your own agenda.

Paul is talking about the order of events.

Paul is quite clear that we must endure to be saved. He is also clear that he doesn't claim to have accomplished salvation yet.

I'm not distorting his words. It's exactly what he says.

Thursday · Jul 25, 2017

Hammster said:
I'm not distorting his words. It's exactly what he says.

He doesn't say that all who are called will be justified.

In fact he says that we must endure.

2 Timothy 2:12 "If we endure, we shall also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us".

1 Corinthians 10:12 "Therefore let him who thinks he is standing, beware, that he does not fall".

1 Timothy 1:19 "Keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and their faith has been shipwrecked".

1 Timothy 4:1 "But the Holy Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons".

Hebrews 3:12-14 "Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called today, lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end."

Hammster · Jul 25, 2017

Thursday said:
He doesn't say that all who are called will be justified.

In fact he says that we must endure.

2 Timothy 2:12 "If we endure, we shall also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us".

1 Corinthians 10:12 "Therefore let him who thinks he is standing, beware, that he does not fall".

1 Timothy 1:19 "Keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and their faith has been shipwrecked".

1 Timothy 4:1 "But the Holy Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons".

Hebrews 3:12-14 "Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called today, lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end."

Are you saying that I can rightfully imply that some who are called are justified??

EmSw · Jul 25, 2017

Hammster said:
Are you saying that I can rightfully imply that some who are called are justified??

Sure, those who are called and have works with their faith.

Wordkeeper · Jul 25, 2017

jimmyjimmy said:
And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also n justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. (Romans 8:30)

And He called Israel because she agreed to leave Egypt and He had a good plan for her (so a good past experience, foreknowledge helps), and those He called He washed with His Word from Heaven and those He washed He also gave glory to. Only problem was the number had reduced to two: Joshua and Caleb.

Wordkeeper · Jul 25, 2017

Hammster said:
Matthew 22:14“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

That's what you quoted.

So the invitation to the feast in Luke 14:16 is different from the invitation to the wedding feast in Matthew 22:14?

Wordkeeper · Jul 25, 2017

Hammster said:
I'll let you think about this for a bit, and you can decide if you really want to use this reasoning.

Really.

And He called Israel because she agreed to leave Egypt (good past experience, foreknowledge), and those He called He washed with His Word from Heaven and those He washed He also gave glory to. Only problem was the number had reduced to two: Joshua and Caleb

Wordkeeper · Jul 25, 2017

Hammster said:
“He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not only for ours, but also for those of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:2‬ ‭

You mean it has nothing to do with the rest that was yet to come had indeed finally arrived?

Hammster · Jul 25, 2017

Wordkeeper said:
Really.

And He called Israel because she agreed to leave Egypt (good past experience, foreknowledge), and those He called He washed with His Word from Heaven and those He washed He also gave glory to. Only problem was the number had reduced to two: Joshua and Caleb

Okay. That has nothing to do with Romans 8:30. Let's stick with that for awhile, shall we?

Hammster · Jul 25, 2017

Wordkeeper said:
You mean it has nothing to do with the rest that was yet to come had indeed finally arrived?

I'm not sure if your point here.

Wordkeeper · Jul 25, 2017

Hammster said:
I'm not sure if your point here.

I mean Joshua led the justified into rest whilst those who did evil died in the wilderness. However it was only a type a foreshadowing of the real rest in Christ.

Did Christ's blood purify Christ's body?

And is it good news?

Hammster · Jul 25, 2017

Wordkeeper said:
I mean Joshua led the justified into rest whilst those who did evil died in the wilderness. However it was only a type a foreshadowing of the real rest in Christ.

Did Christ's blood purify Christ's body?

And is it good news?

Okay, how is Christ's blood related to Joshua and the wilderness, and what does it have to do with calling?

Wordkeeper · Jul 25, 2017

Hammster said:
Okay, how is Christ's blood related to Joshua and the wilderness, and what does it have to do with calling?

The Promised Land was only a type, yet God intended the properties of the type be recognized. In the future, the Land would be a source of blessing for those who rested in it. However, even without being empowered, developed, the Land was still special:

2 Kings 17:24-28
24The king of Assyria brought menfrom Babylon and from Cuthah and from Avva and from Hamath and Sepharvaim, and settled them in the cities of Samaria in place of the sons of Israel. So they possessed Samaria and lived in its cities. 25At the beginning of their living there, they did not fear the LORD; therefore the LORD sent lions among them which killed some of them. 26So they spoke to the king of Assyria, saying, “The nations whom you have carried away into exile in the cities of Samaria do not know the custom of the god of the land; so he has sent lions among them, and behold, they kill them because they do not know the custom of the god of the land.”

27Then the king of Assyria commanded, saying, “Take there one of the priests whom you carried away into exile and let him go and live there; and let him teach them the custom of the god of the land.” 28So one of the priests whom they had carried away into exile from Samaria came and lived at Bethel, and taught them how they should fear the LORD.

Hammster · Jul 25, 2017

Wordkeeper said:
The Promised Land was only a type, yet God intended the properties of the type be recognized. In the future, the Land would be a source of blessing for those who rested in it. However, even without being empowered, developed, the Land was still special:

2 Kings 17:24-28
24The king of Assyria brought menfrom Babylon and from Cuthah and from Avva and from Hamath and Sepharvaim, and settled them in the cities of Samaria in place of the sons of Israel. So they possessed Samaria and lived in its cities. 25At the beginning of their living there, they did not fear the LORD; therefore the LORD sent lions among them which killed some of them. 26So they spoke to the king of Assyria, saying, “The nations whom you have carried away into exile in the cities of Samaria do not know the custom of the god of the land; so he has sent lions among them, and behold, they kill them because they do not know the custom of the god of the land.”

27Then the king of Assyria commanded, saying, “Take there one of the priests whom you carried away into exile and let him go and live there; and let him teach them the custom of the god of the land.” 28So one of the priests whom they had carried away into exile from Samaria came and lived at Bethel, and taught them how they should fear the LORD.

Could you just answer the question? You've gone from Exodus now over to 2 Kings. And the response was to Romans 8. You are not making sense.

jimmyjimmy · Jul 25, 2017

OrthodoxyUSA said:
All are called. Few will follow.

Forgive me...

Have you met an unregenerate man who wills to follow Christ?

Si_monfaith · Sep 26, 2017

God can never be seen as the author of sin or evil regardless of the truth that all human choices originate in Him. Why is it so?

If man hadn't chosen the knowledge of good and evil in the garden of eden, man could not know that whatever God did was evil or sin.

It was not God's will for man to possess the knowledge of good and evil. Only God can help you to not think in terms of the knowledge of good and evil.

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