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Since you seem to be grasping my position better than most let me further illustrate the mixing of Light and Darkness versus not mixing them:
God Separated the Light from the Darkness:
Day
Morning (Beginning of Day)
Noon (Middle of Day)
Evening (End of Day)

____________________________
Night
Moonrise (Beginning of Night)
Midnight (Middle of Night)
Moonset (End of Night
)​

At sunset on July 24th the sliver of the new crescent moon at Jerusalem was around 1.5-2.3% visible (with eagle eyes) around 8:10 to 8:20 pm as the first few stars should be visible in the firmament if it was clear evening. It is now 11:01 pm in Jerusalem as i edit this and by now the sliver of crescent moon is below the horizon with moonset being at 8:33 pm. The month of Tammuz is transitioning to the month of Av. All times shown below are Jerusalem time and rounded off to the nearest minute.

July 24, 2017
Sunrise at 5:49 am
Solar Noon at 12:45 pm
Sunset at 7:41 pm
length of sunrise to sunset is 13:52 hours

July 24, 2017
Moonrise 6:45 am
00:56 minutes after Sunrise on July 24th
Moonset 8:33 pm
length of Moonrise to Moonset is 13:48 hours
01:52 hours (after Sunset) into beginning of July 25

As you can see in this above example the length of Nighttime can’t be determine by Moonrise to Moonset as the moon phase this time of the year is actually above the horizon for several hours during Daylight. Now let's compare a 24 hr timeline during the transition from Tammuz to Av. beginning at sunrise which i assume is your preference instead of sunset to sunset.

July 24 to July 25, 2017
Sunrise to Sunrise = 5:49 am to 5:50 am
length of Sunrise to Sunrise solar time is 24:01 hours
length of Moonrise to Moonrise = 6:45 am to 7:50 am
length of Moonrise to Moonrise is 25:05 hours
Moonrise, Moonset, and Moon Phase in Jerusalem, July 2017

You can see that Night has to be calculated based on a 24 hr revolution of earth when half the earth is in solar darkness and the other half is in solar daylight. In the above example Moonrise to Moonrise over 25:05 hrs is begins and ends in the light of morning instead of the darkness of night.
 
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"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
-Genesis 1:1

Here is the very first mention of time in the first three words the Bible. This tells us that time has a beginning. This specific period is concerned with the first day.

"And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."
-Revelation 10:5-7

Here we are given direct proof that time has an end and, this specific period is concerned with the last day. Therefore we may conclude that time has three parts:

1) Beginning
2) Middle
3) End

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

-Genesis 1:3-5

Now God has defined and connected the Day with Light and the Night with Darkness. We see further that God's separation of these two periods is Him saying that they are not to be mixed. At the close of v. 5 we read that evening and morning belong to the Day/Light and not to the Dark/Night.

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

-Genesis 1:14-19

Just as God divided the Day from the Night: God also commanded the luminaries to do the same as He did. The greater light rules the day and thanks to king David we know that this is none other than the Sun:

"O him that made great lights: for his mercy endureth for ever: The sun to rule by day: for his mercy endureth for ever: The moon and stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever."
-Psalms 136:7-9

According to the natural order which God appointed the sun will never rise or set at Night/Darkness nor will the moon or stars rise or set during the day. From the text we may deduct that the morning is when the sun rises and the evening is when the sun sets: therefore from morning to noon is sunrise; and from afternoon to evening is sunset.

How many hours are there in a day then? Are there really twenty four hours in a day according to our modern reckoning? What does the Bible plainly tell us?

"Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world."
-John 11:9

"For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise. And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle? They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny."

-Matthew 20:1-9

It is clear from Jesus' own mouth that a day is twelve hours in duration and that the twelfth hour is the close of the day (i.e. sunset). But why twelve?

"And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man."
-John 1:51

"And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran. And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep. And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it."
-Genesis 28:11-12

Jesus is making it clear that Jacob is a type of Christ. Note that Christ also spoke this while choosing His twelve apostles: it is clear that Jesus was also telling us indirectly that the 12 Sons of Israel were types of the 12 Apostles of Jesus. Where else do we see this connection?

"Now the children of Israel after their number, to wit, the chief fathers and captains of thousands and hundreds, and their officers that served the king in any matter of the courses, which came in and went out month by month throughout all the months of the year, of every course were twenty and four thousand.
Over the first course for the first month was Jashobeam the son of Zabdiel: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. Of the children of Perez was the chief of all the captains of the host for the first month. And over the course of the second month was Dodai an Ahohite, and of his course was Mikloth also the ruler: in his course likewise were twenty and four thousand. The third captain of the host for the third month was Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, a chief priest: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. This is that Benaiah, who was mighty among the thirty, and above the thirty: and in his course was Ammizabad his son. The fourth captain for the fourth month wasAsahel the brother of Joab, and Zebadiah his son after him: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The fifth captain for the fifth month was Shamhuth the Izrahite: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The sixth captain for the sixth month was Ira the son of Ikkesh the Tekoite: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The seventh captain for the seventh month was Helez the Pelonite, of the children of Ephraim: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The eighth captain for the eighth month was Sibbecai the Hushathite, of the Zarhites: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The ninth captain for the ninth month was Abiezer the Anetothite, of the Benjamites: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The tenth captain for the tenth month was Maharai the Netophathite, of the Zarhites: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The eleventh captain for the eleventh month was Benaiah the Pirathonite, of the children of Ephraim: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The twelfth captain for the twelfth month wasHeldai the Netophathite, of Othniel: and in his course were twenty and four thousand.

-1 Chronicles 27:1-15

The first verse makes it clear that the number of months of the year were numbered after the twelve sons of Israel: therefore since Israel only has twelve sons and no more, the number of months are only twelve and no more. In like fashion there are no more than twelve hours in a day: Jesus chose no more than twelve apostles: and after Judas committed suicide the apostles appointed another to take his place in order to restore their number to twelve yet, they never exceeded that number. Scripture rips to shreds any man made theories of the months of the year or hours of daylight (i.e. the time between sunrise and sunset) going past twelve.
 
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God Separated the Light from the Darkness:
Day
Morning (Beginning of Day)
Noon (Middle of Day)
Evening (End of Day)

____________________________
Night
Moonrise (Beginning of Night)
Midnight (Middle of Night)
Moonset (End of Night
)​

At sunset on July 24th the sliver of the new crescent moon at Jerusalem was around 1.5-2.3% visible (with eagle eyes) around 8:10 to 8:20 pm as the first few stars should be visible in the firmament if a clear evening. The month of Tammuz is transitioning to the month of Av. All times shown below are Jerusalem time and rounded off to the nearest minute.

July 24, 2017
Sunrise at 5:49 am
Solar Noon at 12:45 pm
Sunset at 7:41 pm
length of sunrise to sunset is 13:52 hours

July 24, 2017
Moonrise 6:45 am
00:56 minutes after Sunrise on July 24th
Moonset 8:33 pm
length of Moonrise to Moonset is 13:48 hours
01:52 hours (after Sunset) into beginning of July 25

As you can see in this above example the length of Nighttime can’t be determine by Moonrise to Moonset as the moon phase this time of the year is actually above the horizon for several hours during Daylight. Now let's compare a 24 hr timeline during the transition from Tammuz to Av. beginning at sunrise which i assume is your preference instead of sunset to sunset.

July 24 to July 25, 2017
Sunrise to Sunrise = 5:49 am to 5:50 am
length of Sunrise to Sunrise solar time is 24:01 hours
length of Moonrise to Moonrise = 6:45 am to 7:50 am
length of Moonrise to Moonrise is 25:05 hours
Moonrise, Moonset, and Moon Phase in Jerusalem, July 2017

You can see that Night has to be calculated based on a 24 hr revolution of earth when half the earth is in solar darkness and the other half is in solar daylight. In the above example Moonrise to Moonrise over 25:05 hrs is begins and ends in the light of morning instead of the darkness of night.
Anyone can add 12 + 12. You are still erring by mixing the twelve hours of light with the twelve hours of dark to makeup one day: and this definition of a day does not line up with scripture which commands that these two periods be separate. And I am arguing sunrise to sunset: not sunrise to sunrise.
 
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Anyone can add 12 + 12. You are still erring by mixing the twelve hours of light with the twelve hours of dark to makeup one day: and this definition of a day does not line up with scripture which commands that these two periods be separate. And I am arguing sunrise to sunset: not sunrise to sunrise.
Nowhere in my above reply did i refer to the 24 hr timeline as "day" (check it out again, if you don't believe me).
___________________________________________
At sunset on July 24th the sliver of the new crescent moon at Jerusalem was around 1.5-2.3% visible (with eagle eyes) around 8:10 to 8:20 pm as the first few stars should be visible in the firmament if it was clear evening. It is now 11:01 pm in Jerusalem as i edit this and by now the sliver of crescent moon is below the horizon with moonset being at 8:33 pm. The month of Tammuz is transitioning to the month of Av. All times shown below are Jerusalem time and rounded off to the nearest minute.

July 24, 2017
Sunrise at 5:49 am
Solar Noon at 12:45 pm
Sunset at 7:41 pm
length of sunrise to sunset is 13:52 hours

July 24, 2017
Moonrise 6:45 am
00:56 minutes after Sunrise on July 24th
Moonset 8:33 pm
length of Moonrise to Moonset is 13:48 hours
01:52 hours (after Sunset) into beginning of July 25

As you can see in this above example the length of Nighttime can’t be determine by Moonrise to Moonset as the moon phase this time of the year is actually above the horizon for several hours during Daylight (12 hrs). Now let's compare a 24 hr timeline during the transition from Tammuz to Av. beginning at sunrise which i assume is your preference instead of sunset to sunset.

July 24 to July 25, 2017
Sunrise to Sunrise = 5:49 am to 5:50 am
length of Sunrise to Sunrise solar time is 24:01 hours
length of Moonrise to Moonrise = 6:45 am to 7:50 am
length of Moonrise to Moonrise is 25:05 hours
Moonrise, Moonset, and Moon Phase in Jerusalem, July 2017

You can see that Night has to be calculated based on a 24 hr revolution of earth when half the earth is in solar darkness and the other half is in solar daylight. In the above example Moonrise to Moonrise over 25:05 hrs is begins and ends in the light of morning instead of the darkness of night.
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As you can see for yourself no mention was made that a 24 hr revolution of the earth was referred to as a "Day" in the above.

What word would you prefer a Messianic or Israeli use to describe this 24 hour transition from light and darkness or darkness and light (one revolution or the earth)? Perhaps, an acronym such as LAD or DAL depending on your preference as to which came first ... Darkness or Light. :)
 
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Nowhere in my above reply did i refer to the 24 hr timeline as "day" (check it out again, if you don't believe me).
___________________________________________
At sunset on July 24th the sliver of the new crescent moon at Jerusalem was around 1.5-2.3% visible (with eagle eyes) around 8:10 to 8:20 pm as the first few stars should be visible in the firmament if it was clear evening. It is now 11:01 pm in Jerusalem as i edit this and by now the sliver of crescent moon is below the horizon with moonset being at 8:33 pm. The month of Tammuz is transitioning to the month of Av. All times shown below are Jerusalem time and rounded off to the nearest minute.

July 24, 2017
Sunrise at 5:49 am
Solar Noon at 12:45 pm
Sunset at 7:41 pm
length of sunrise to sunset is 13:52 hours

July 24, 2017
Moonrise 6:45 am
00:56 minutes after Sunrise on July 24th
Moonset 8:33 pm
length of Moonrise to Moonset is 13:48 hours
01:52 hours (after Sunset) into beginning of July 25

As you can see in this above example the length of Nighttime can’t be determine by Moonrise to Moonset as the moon phase this time of the year is actually above the horizon for several hours during Daylight (12 hrs). Now let's compare a 24 hr timeline during the transition from Tammuz to Av. beginning at sunrise which i assume is your preference instead of sunset to sunset.

July 24 to July 25, 2017
Sunrise to Sunrise = 5:49 am to 5:50 am
length of Sunrise to Sunrise solar time is 24:01 hours
length of Moonrise to Moonrise = 6:45 am to 7:50 am
length of Moonrise to Moonrise is 25:05 hours
Moonrise, Moonset, and Moon Phase in Jerusalem, July 2017

You can see that Night has to be calculated based on a 24 hr revolution of earth when half the earth is in solar darkness and the other half is in solar daylight. In the above example Moonrise to Moonrise over 25:05 hrs is begins and ends in the light of morning instead of the darkness of night.
___________________________________________
As you can see for yourself no mention was made that a 24 hr revolution of the earth was referred to as a "Day" in the above.

What word would you prefer a Messianic or Israeli use to describe this 24 hour transition from light and darkness or darkness and light (one revolution or the earth)? Perhaps, an acronym such as LAD or DAL depending on your preference as to which came first ... Darkness or Light. :)
Sorry but you keep mixing light and darkness together. And you keep failing in assuming that the natural hour is the same length as our modern reckoning of the hour. Scripture is clear that a day is always twelve hours so, the minutes and seconds of our modern time are irrelevant to this argument.
 
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Nowhere in my above reply did i refer to the 24 hr timeline as "day" (check it out again, if you don't believe me).
___________________________________________
At sunset on July 24th the sliver of the new crescent moon at Jerusalem was around 1.5-2.3% visible (with eagle eyes) around 8:10 to 8:20 pm as the first few stars should be visible in the firmament if it was clear evening. It is now 11:01 pm in Jerusalem as i edit this and by now the sliver of crescent moon is below the horizon with moonset being at 8:33 pm. The month of Tammuz is transitioning to the month of Av. All times shown below are Jerusalem time and rounded off to the nearest minute.

July 24, 2017
Sunrise at 5:49 am
Solar Noon at 12:45 pm
Sunset at 7:41 pm
length of sunrise to sunset is 13:52 hours

July 24, 2017
Moonrise 6:45 am
00:56 minutes after Sunrise on July 24th
Moonset 8:33 pm
length of Moonrise to Moonset is 13:48 hours
01:52 hours (after Sunset) into beginning of July 25

As you can see in this above example the length of Nighttime can’t be determine by Moonrise to Moonset as the moon phase this time of the year is actually above the horizon for several hours during Daylight (12 hrs). Now let's compare a 24 hr timeline during the transition from Tammuz to Av. beginning at sunrise which i assume is your preference instead of sunset to sunset.

July 24 to July 25, 2017
Sunrise to Sunrise = 5:49 am to 5:50 am
length of Sunrise to Sunrise solar time is 24:01 hours
length of Moonrise to Moonrise = 6:45 am to 7:50 am
length of Moonrise to Moonrise is 25:05 hours
Moonrise, Moonset, and Moon Phase in Jerusalem, July 2017

You can see that Night has to be calculated based on a 24 hr revolution of earth when half the earth is in solar darkness and the other half is in solar daylight. In the above example Moonrise to Moonrise over 25:05 hrs is begins and ends in the light of morning instead of the darkness of night.
___________________________________________
As you can see for yourself no mention was made that a 24 hr revolution of the earth was referred to as a "Day" in the above.

What word would you prefer a Messianic or Israeli use to describe this 24 hour transition from light and darkness or darkness and light (one revolution or the earth)? Perhaps, an acronym such as LAD or DAL depending on your preference as to which came first ... Darkness or Light. :)
Before posting anymore about times when the luminaries rise or set you should educate yourself on how Babylon calculated time. They based it off of their numbering system which base sixty. They concluded using their own numeral system that there are 60 Seconds in a Minute and 60 Minutes in an Hour...and they also concluded that because they observed that there are 12 Hours Day and 12 Hours Night and both vary through the seasons: they sought to make uniform time by saying a day ways 24 Hours...and this pattern was followed by Egpyt: therefore these nations disregarded God's system and made up their own arbitrary system and decided on their own how time is defined: therefore our time reckoning will never match the heavens since it never accurately follows their movements but, rather is based on the movements of atoms...
 
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Sorry but you keep mixing light and darkness together. And you keep failing in assuming that the natural hour is the same length as our modern reckoning of the hour. Scripture is clear that a day is always twelve hours so, the minutes and seconds of our modern time are irrelevant to this argument.
Yes, man as usual has got terminology mixed up. What you refer to as a mixing of light with darkness which many people refer to as a 24 hour solar timeline by the same name as a 12 hr timeline of sunlight. This reckoning of one 24 hr revolution of the earth is what you refer to as the "mixing of light with darkness" when man mistakenly refers to this mixing by the same name as 12 hours of sunlight that is correctly referred to as a "Day". We've all used the word "Daylight" but who has ever used the word "Daydarkness" ... NOBODY!

You've made your point over and over again that mankind shouldn't use the same word to describe a 12 hour "Day" as a 24 hour timeline (one revolution of the earth) of light and darkness.

Have you yet decided what name you'd prefer that man uses to distinguish the difference such as an acronym. Maybe, SLAD (Solar Light And Darkness) or SMOL (Solar Mixing Of Light). I checked the list of the 500 most commonly used acronyms and neither SLAD or SMOL is currently taken. ... Acronyms | 500 most common used acronyms

Or perhaps "Solar Mixing Of Light and Darkness" (SMOLD). After doing an extensive Google Search there is no such acronym by the name SMOLD
 
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"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
-Genesis 1:1

Here is the very first mention of time in the first three words the Bible. This tells us that time has a beginning. This specific period is concerned with the first day.

"And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."
-Revelation 10:5-7

Here we are given direct proof that time has an end and, this specific period is concerned with the last day. Therefore we may conclude that time has three parts:

1) Beginning
2) Middle
3) End

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

-Genesis 1:3-5

Now God has defined and connected the Day with Light and the Night with Darkness. We see further that God's separation of these two periods is Him saying that they are not to be mixed. At the close of v. 5 we read that evening and morning belong to the Day/Light and not to the Dark/Night.

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

-Genesis 1:14-19

Just as God divided the Day from the Night: God also commanded the luminaries to do the same as He did. The greater light rules the day and thanks to king David we know that this is none other than the Sun:

"O him that made great lights: for his mercy endureth for ever: The sun to rule by day: for his mercy endureth for ever: The moon and stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever."
-Psalms 136:7-9

According to the natural order which God appointed the sun will never rise or set at Night/Darkness nor will the moon or stars rise or set during the day. From the text we may deduct that the morning is when the sun rises and the evening is when the sun sets: therefore from morning to noon is sunrise; and from afternoon to evening is sunset.

How many hours are there in a day then? Are there really twenty four hours in a day according to our modern reckoning? What does the Bible plainly tell us?

"Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world."
-John 11:9

"For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise. And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle? They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny."

-Matthew 20:1-9

It is clear from Jesus' own mouth that a day is twelve hours in duration and that the twelfth hour is the close of the day (i.e. sunset). But why twelve?

"And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man."
-John 1:51

"And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran. And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep. And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it."
-Genesis 28:11-12

Jesus is making it clear that Jacob is a type of Christ. Note that Christ also spoke this while choosing His twelve apostles: it is clear that Jesus was also telling us indirectly that the 12 Sons of Israel were types of the 12 Apostles of Jesus. Where else do we see this connection?

"Now the children of Israel after their number, to wit, the chief fathers and captains of thousands and hundreds, and their officers that served the king in any matter of the courses, which came in and went out month by month throughout all the months of the year, of every course were twenty and four thousand.
Over the first course for the first month was Jashobeam the son of Zabdiel: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. Of the children of Perez was the chief of all the captains of the host for the first month. And over the course of the second month was Dodai an Ahohite, and of his course was Mikloth also the ruler: in his course likewise were twenty and four thousand. The third captain of the host for the third month was Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, a chief priest: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. This is that Benaiah, who was mighty among the thirty, and above the thirty: and in his course was Ammizabad his son. The fourth captain for the fourth month wasAsahel the brother of Joab, and Zebadiah his son after him: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The fifth captain for the fifth month was Shamhuth the Izrahite: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The sixth captain for the sixth month was Ira the son of Ikkesh the Tekoite: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The seventh captain for the seventh month was Helez the Pelonite, of the children of Ephraim: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The eighth captain for the eighth month was Sibbecai the Hushathite, of the Zarhites: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The ninth captain for the ninth month was Abiezer the Anetothite, of the Benjamites: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The tenth captain for the tenth month was Maharai the Netophathite, of the Zarhites: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The eleventh captain for the eleventh month was Benaiah the Pirathonite, of the children of Ephraim: and in his course were twenty and four thousand. The twelfth captain for the twelfth month wasHeldai the Netophathite, of Othniel: and in his course were twenty and four thousand.

-1 Chronicles 27:1-15

The first verse makes it clear that the number of months of the year were numbered after the twelve sons of Israel: therefore since Israel only has twelve sons and no more, the number of months are only twelve and no more. In like fashion there are no more than twelve hours in a day: Jesus chose no more than twelve apostles: and after Judas committed suicide the apostles appointed another to take his place in order to restore their number to twelve yet, they never exceeded that number. Scripture rips to shreds any man made theories of the months of the year or hours of daylight (i.e. the time between sunrise and sunset) going past twelve.
Genesis 1.1 a very fundamental verse; very similar to John 1.1. :)
 
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Genesis 1.1 a very fundamental verse; very similar to John 1.1. :)
I'm glad you see that too lol! The Gospel of John just so happens to be one of my favorite books in the new testament.
 
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I'm glad you see that too lol! The Gospel of John just so happens to be one of my favorite books in the new testament.
Both Genesis and John seem to get back to basics; Genesis is a seed-plot; and both books go back to first principles. :)
 
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Both Genesis and John seem to get back to basics; Genesis is a seed-plot; and both books go back to first principles. :)
Amen brother! I love going back to the basics!
 
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Well, exactly; this is what the Scriptures are for!
I remember when I realized this for the first time: it was a breath of fresh air. Since that time I had always hon back to the beginning of the Bible to understand how and why things have unfolded the way they have at present. Revelation is just as beneficial since it naturally gives us the end of the narrative of world history: therefore the first and last books of the Bible help us to make sense of what's going on in between.
 
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I remember when I realized this for the first time: it was a breath of fresh air. Since that time I had always hon back to the beginning of the Bible to understand how and why things have unfolded the way they have at present. Revelation is just as beneficial since it naturally gives us the end of the narrative of world history: therefore the first and last books of the Bible help us to make sense of what's going on in between.
Scripture is a whole, huge panorama of revelation; taken as a whole, the view is amazing.
 
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I really don't think God is concerned about where we class the beginning or end of a day! :doh:
God, not concerned about the beginning or the end.... I beg to differ.
It was God who declared the separation of night and day
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

It was God who declared that the day starts at eve.
Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

It was God who declared we are to count the days for all the sabbath cycles whether weekly or annually. It is also for ceremonial cleansings.
Deuteronomy 23:11 But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again.

It was God who declared that the sun and moon are for seasons, signs, years, months, and days.
Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:


It was a determining point for time to start the sacrifices also.
Ezra 9:5 And at the evening sacrifice I arose up from my heaviness; and having rent my garment and my mantle, I fell upon my knees, and spread out my hands unto the Lord my God,

Daniel 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

Yes, God is particular about time, what time it is, what hour it is, what day it is, what month it is, what year it is, and put a lot of effort into the timing of everything He does accounting to His appointed times.
 
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I really don't think God is concerned about where we class the beginning or end of a day! :doh:
If He wasn't concerned then He wouldn't have bothered to place the beginning or end of anything: there wouldn't be the use for the year, the month, week, or day if they had no beginning or end points. Furthermore how would one be able to justify when to begin tracking time? When things began has a big impact on our worldview: if things began in darkness then things began in chaos; if things began in light then things began in order. Now one may wish to argue that order can come out of chaos just as chaos can come out of order to infinity. On the surface this seems attractive but, upon digging we find that order cannot come out of chaos since there was no order to begin with! Therefore:

Order > Chaos (True)
Chaos > Order (False)


How do we prove the above to be correct?

That which is true contradicts others but not itself.
That which is false contradicts others and itself.


Order brings about order within itself and Chaos.
Chaos brings about chaos within itself and Order.

So is God Light or Darkness? The apostle John tells us tells us that God is Light: therefore God begins the Day in the Light. The appearance of Light is the beginning of the day (morning); the disappearance of the Light is the end of the day (evening). After God created the luminaries on the 4th Day: we know that morning is accompanied by sunrise and, evening is accompanied by sunset: therefore Moses wrote that Evening and Morning = 1 Day. And since Night (Darkness) is a separate time period we would simply have 1 Day and 1 Night. This method of reckoning is confirmed in the story of Noah where it rained for 40 Days and 40 Nights; and, when Moses fasted on Mt. Sinai for 40 Days and 40 Nights.
 
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If He wasn't concerned then He wouldn't have bothered to place the beginning or end of anything: there wouldn't be the use for the year, the month, week, or day if they had no beginning or end points. Furthermore how would one be able to justify when to begin tracking time? When things began has a big impact on our worldview: if things began in darkness then things began in chaos; if things began in light then things began in order. Now one may wish to argue that order can come out of chaos just as chaos can come out of order to infinity. On the surface this seems attractive but, upon digging we find that order cannot come out of chaos since there was no order to begin with! Therefore:

Order > Chaos (True)
Chaos > Order (False)


How do we prove the above to be correct?

That which is true contradicts others but not itself.
That which is false contradicts others and itself.


Order brings about order within itself and Chaos.
Chaos brings about chaos within itself and Order.

So is God Light or Darkness? The apostle John tells us tells us that God is Light: therefore God begins the Day in the Light. The appearance of Light is the beginning of the day (morning); the disappearance of the Light is the end of the day (evening). After God created the luminaries on the 4th Day: we know that morning is accompanied by sunrise and, evening is accompanied by sunset: therefore Moses wrote that Evening and Morning = 1 Day. And since Night (Darkness) is a separate time period we would simply have 1 Day and 1 Night. This method of reckoning is confirmed in the story of Noah where it rained for 40 Days and 40 Nights; and, when Moses fasted on Mt. Sinai for 40 Days and 40 Nights.
John's First Epistle is very relevant to some of these themes. :)
 
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