Catholics...Why Do Beliefs About Mary Matter?

amariselle said:

Yes, sometimes I get quite frustrated as well. I try not to get overwhelmed or impatient though.

God bless you.

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Honestly, I just started reading your posts yesterday I think but it did not take long to see your Christian attitude present itself. The same thing applies to @Albion and @JayW as well.

amariselle said:

As much as I can appreciate the "Early Church Fathers", they did not write inspired Scripture. Error is still error, no matter how far back it may go.

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Amen!

JayW said:

I read the post, then read the Psalm, then reread both a few times to see what I missed. Glad I'm not alone.

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Yep. I did the same thing!

amariselle said:

In whatever ways, and by whichever means He's chosen. Interestingly, you may also want to research how the Catholic Church actually tried to keep the Scriptures from people. Pretty eye-opening.

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More distortions from you. The Catholic Church collected, protected, and proclaims the Good News throughout the world. The Catholic Church translated the bible into multiple languages so that it could be read throughout the world.

The Catholic Church strove to keep false translations from being spread through the world.

For example, Martin Luther's German translation included intentional distortions in order to support his dogmas:

Martin Luther, in his German translation of the Bible, specifically added the word "allein" (English 'alone') to Romans 3:28-a word that is not in the original Greek.

Luther then said:

You tell me what a great fuss the Papists are making because the word alone in not in the text of Paul…say right out to him: 'Dr. Martin Luther will have it so,'…I will have it so, and I order it to be so, and my will is reason enough. I know very well that the word 'alone' is not in the Latin or the Greek text (Stoddard J. Rebuilding a Lost Faith. 1922, pp. 101-102; see also Luther M. Amic. Discussion, 1, 127).

amariselle said:

All true believers are the "body of Christ."

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What is is a true believer? Who decides?

Major1 said:

Honestly, I just started reading your posts yesterday I think but it did not take long to see your Christian attitude present itself. The same thing applies to @Albion and @JayW as well.

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Thank you @Major1. I really do appreciate your encouragement.

Thursday said:

What is is a true believer? Who decides?

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All who believe in Christ alone for salvation.

amariselle said:

All who believe in Christ alone for salvation.

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Mormons?

Thursday said:

From whom did you inherit your original sin?

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The same one you did my dear friend. But do not take my word for it.

Romans 5:12 tells us...........
"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned."

We inherit our sinful nature similar to the way we inherit our parent's physical characteristics. David wrote in Psalms 51:5..........
"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me".

Now, do you believe the Word of God over Catholic traditions my friend?

As a result of inherited sin, we are sinful in nature and sinful in practice, both. We commit sins because we were born with the nature to do so. Very few would deny that people make mistakes in this life, yet many do not wish to accept the biblical view that people are born as sinners. Yet the best explanation for the universal practice of sin in our world is that it is part of our human nature. This does not excuse us from sin, but it does explain why we sin.

If you hatch a rattle snake out of its egg, and pet it and feed it and water it and love it, do you believe that when you French kiss it, it will not bite you? WHY? Because by nature that is what it does.

Why do dogs bark? It is their nature.

Why do sinners sin...It is our nature!

Thursday said:

Mormons?

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Mormons are Not Christians!

God gave us scripture. He also gave us the Catholic Church, whom He chose to assemble the scripture into what is known as the Bible.

amariselle said:

Thank you @Major1. I really do appreciate your encouragement.

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I would appreciate it if you could post you mailing address in the PM area so that I can send you an invoice of services rendered.

Thursday said:

Mormons?

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They do not believe in the same "Jesus."

Thursday said:

More distortions from you. The Catholic Church collected, protected, and proclaims the Good News throughout the world. The Catholic Church translated the bible into multiple languages so that it could be read throughout the world.

The Catholic Church strove to keep false translations from being spread through the world.

For example, Martin Luther's German translation included intentional distortions in order to support his dogmas:

Martin Luther, in his German translation of the Bible, specifically added the word "allein" (English 'alone') to Romans 3:28-a word that is not in the original Greek.

Luther then said:

You tell me what a great fuss the Papists are making because the word alone in not in the text of Paul…say right out to him: 'Dr. Martin Luther will have it so,'…I will have it so, and I order it to be so, and my will is reason enough. I know very well that the word 'alone' is not in the Latin or the Greek text (Stoddard J. Rebuilding a Lost Faith. 1922, pp. 101-102; see also Luther M. Amic. Discussion, 1, 127).

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You said..........
"For example, Martin Luther's German translation included intentional distortions in order to support his dogmas".

I am sorry but that one had me ROFLOL!!!!

Thursday said:

More distortions from you. The Catholic Church collected, protected, and proclaims the Good News throughout the world. The Catholic Church translated the bible into multiple languages so that it could be read throughout the world.

The Catholic Church strove to keep false translations from being spread through the world.

For example, Martin Luther's German translation included intentional distortions in order to support his dogmas:

Martin Luther, in his German translation of the Bible, specifically added the word "allein" (English 'alone') to Romans 3:28-a word that is not in the original Greek.

Luther then said:

You tell me what a great fuss the Papists are making because the word alone in not in the text of Paul…say right out to him: 'Dr. Martin Luther will have it so,'…I will have it so, and I order it to be so, and my will is reason enough. I know very well that the word 'alone' is not in the Latin or the Greek text (Stoddard J. Rebuilding a Lost Faith. 1922, pp. 101-102; see also Luther M. Amic. Discussion, 1, 127).

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You know, to me it seems as if it would seem unnecessary for you to claim that the Catholic Church to make the boastful claim of giving the Bible to the world when both it and so-called Protestantism accept the Bible as a revelation from God.

It seems to that it is an attempt to weaken the Bible as the sole authority and to replace it with the man-made church doctrine. If it is true that we can accept the Bible only on the basis of the Catholic Church, doesn't that make the Catholic Church superior to the Bible?

Isn't that exactly what Catholic officials want men to believe. Their only problem is that their doctrine comes from their own human reasoning rather than from God. Their logic is a classic example of their "circle reasoning." They try to prove the Bible by the church (can accept the Bible only on the basis of the Catholic Church) and prove the church by the Bible ("has ever grounded her doctrines upon it").

That kind of reasoning is clearly seen and is absurd reasoning which proves nothing. Either the New Testament is the sole authority or it is not. If it is the New Testament, it cannot be the church, and if it is the church, it cannot be the New Testament.

Major1 said:

You said..........
"For example, Martin Luther's German translation included intentional distortions in order to support his dogmas".

I am sorry but that one had me ROFLOL!!!!

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Not that I agree with all of Martin Luther's teachings and/or writings, I do find it interesting however, that so many would point out his faults (and we all have faults) and yet at the same time they won't be honest about some of the things the Popes said throughout the centuries.

I think we need to be as honest as possible in these matters, and we cannot get there if we pretend all the wrongdoing is one-sided.

Major1 said:

You know, to me it seems as if it would seem unnecessary for you to claim that the Catholic Church to make the boastful claim of giving the Bible to the world when both it and so-called Protestantism accept the Bible as a revelation from God.

It seems to that it is an attempt to weaken the Bible as the sole authority and to replace it with the man-made church doctrine. If it is true that we can accept the Bible only on the basis of the Catholic Church, doesn't that make the Catholic Church superior to the Bible?

Isn't that exactly what Catholic officials want men to believe. Their only problem is that their doctrine comes from their own human reasoning rather than from God. Their logic is a classic example of their "circle reasoning." They try to prove the Bible by the church (can accept the Bible only on the basis of the Catholic Church) and prove the church by the Bible ("has ever grounded her doctrines upon it").

That kind of reasoning is clearly seen and is absurd reasoning which proves nothing. Either the New Testament is the sole authority or it is not. If it is the New Testament, it cannot be the church, and if it is the church, it cannot be the New Testament.

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Sad when one reads such drivel as you have written.

You just cannot bring yourself to admit that God directed the Catholic Church to assemble Scripture into the Bible we all use today!

amariselle said:

Not that I agree with all of Martin Luther's teachings and/or writings, I do find it interesting however, that so many would point out his faults (and we all have faults) and yet at the same time they won't be honest about some of the things the Pope's said throughout the centuries.

I think we need to be as honest as possible in these matters, and we cannot get there if we pretend all the wrongdoing is one-sided.

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I agree completely.

It has always been that way .

Our Catholic friends will beat Luther over the head, day in and day out and call him every name in the book, but then turn around and call him the Great Martin Luther because he believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary.

What is that old saying..............the enemy of my enemy is my friend (Only when I need him).

I am a realist. It is truth all the time not just some times.