Can you be a Christian Wiccan?

awitch said:

That's dandy among Christians, but it can still come across as offensive to non-believers. Personally, I know exactly where I am in my faith and I'm quite content where I am, at least for now.

Also, it's funny you would accuse us of being prideful and arrogant when you're the one who claims to have a monopoly on "the Truth". Makes it sound like you haven't actually found the God you're referring to.

But if you're happy with your faith, then I'm happy for you.

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Well, Christians believe in one true God. We also believe that there is an enemy, Satan and his demonic horde. Now Satan is clever. Imagine a genius having a perfect memory and thousands of years to contrive various religions, distorting the truth about God but with one purpose, to keep people away from Jesus. Satan would say to his horde (who hates seeks to destroy mankind): "Let them believe in Mohamed, Krishna, Buddha, Brahma, L Ron Hubbard, reincarnation, astrology, evolution, aliens from outer space, witchcraft, black magic, the occult; let them believe and worship themselves, in their own power within, not needing anyone or person outside themselves, that they are gods who can do anything, achieve enlightenment and merit eternal bliss, salvation ... let them believe there are many ways to heaven ... and we will have succeeded in our mission. Don't mess with them, let them believe what they want ... unless they get close to Jesus. Then send in reinforcements to throw them off track, feed them doubts and confusion to cause them to lean on their own understanding and reason. Send them drug attics, alcoholics; strategically wait till they are weak and vulnerable, maybe a death in the family or lure them into adultery, set a trap for them to fall into, create anger, hate and depression and primarily this all falls under rebelliousness against god. So in summary, keep them away from Jesus and of course, the Bible."
This is Satan's tactics, these are his schemes and he is very good at them. He knows our weaknesses and he takes advantage of them. You have to understand, people DO NOT HAVE A CLUE THAT THIS SPIRITUAL WARFARE IS GOING ON AND THEY ARE THE VICTIMS. We do have an advocate on our side, Jesus. If we are on His list, He will guide you to the truth and any of the above schemes will dissolve as His Light shines in the darkness of it all. He sends His Holy Angels to war against Satan and His demons on our behave, but make no mistake, an invisible war is going on in your life.

Ronald said:

Well, Christians believe in one true God. We also believe that there is an enemy, Satan and his demonic horde. Now Satan is clever.

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Am I your enemy? I mean, if you think I'm worshiping your enemy, I'm on his "side", right?
Do you think I hate Christians or Christianity or Jesus?

awitch said:
Am I your enemy? I mean, if you think I'm worshiping your enemy, I'm on his "side", right?
Do you think I hate Christians or Christianity or Jesus?


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Do you contrive schemes to lead me away from Christ?
Do you hate me and seek to destroy me or harm my loved ones?
As I listed, these are Satan's schemes and He sends His demons and children out to do his work.
If you are trying to lead any Christians away from Christ or discouraging people who are not yet Christians who are seeking Jesus, then you are playing the devils hand and are an enemy.
If you are not, then you are not my enemy.
I do believe many come to a Christian site to bash our faith, attempt to dismantle our beliefs, chip away at them, lure us from our faith while entice us off the path to a different better one. I see atheists for instance that have no intention of seeking God and their only purpose is to promote evolution and bash Christianity and make God out to be a myth, a figment of our imagination. I gave up on them.
I also believe there are curious people from all walks that maybe have a different religion or are on the fence and are seeking, cautiously and doubtful, but still trying to open the door to Jesus and these I welcome, not as my enemies. I am supposed to love my enemies anyways, whether you are or not and that is sometimes difficult. I try for a period of time and then the Bible actually gives us permission to move on after we present the gospel ... if they refuse to listen, then brush the dirt off your sandals and move on. Paul himself did not gain acceptance instantly, He worked and preached in areas filled with hostility and his life was threatened, he was beaten, thrown in jail and pushed on. He loved his enemies to a point and then left to another area.
I don't see any hostility in you - you may be curious and that's good.
But what I did say is that people unknowingly are Satan's. They do not knowingly worship him but they are actually unknowingly working for him. If he created your religion, then it stands to reason, you are following him, again, unknowingly. And he will be content with you believing otherwise. He is very content with people who think that he does not exist. Picture him with horns and a pitch fork, blowing fire, with a goatee, or any image that makes him unbelievable is fine ... a snake, whatever, that's fine with him. Then he has you. If he doesn't exist, then maybe god doesn't, or heaven ... or maybe we just reincarnate over and over again? Maybe you were impressed with Harry Potter movies and started looking into Witchcraft, after all, Harry Potter was a good witch and we all loved his character. Maybe you thought, let's try some séances, incantations ... get that crystal ball, see what's up with that ... Watch out, you are opening up the door to demonic activity. Have you channeled spirits? They may seem friendly, watch out. I actually read the book "Seth Speaks" before I became a Christian. This woman got into Ouija boards and started channeling (being possessed by) spirits. Her facial expressions changed, voiced changed and she started giving information that she herself could not have known, but got deeper into it and that is dangerous, very dark ... beware of the darkness.
Jesus is the Light that shines through the darkness.

awitch said:

Am I your enemy? I mean, if you think I'm worshiping your enemy, I'm on his "side", right?
Do you think I hate Christians or Christianity or Jesus?

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That's reasonable to ask. But the question here was not whether one can be both a Christian and a witch. It was whether one can be both a Christian and a Wiccan. Even if Christianity were not opposed to witchcraft, those are two separate religions, so the answer has to be No.

Albion said:

That's reasonable to ask. But the question here was not whether one can be both a Christian and a witch. It was whether one can be both a Christian and a Wiccan. Even if Christianity were not opposed to witchcraft, those are two separate religions, so the answer has to be No.

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I understand that and don't dispute Christianity is incompatible with Wicca.
My question was directed personally to Ronald because of his post, not the OP.

awitch said:

I understand that and don't dispute Christianity is incompatible with Wicca.
My question was directed personally to Ronald because of his post, not the OP.

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I know. I guess I am thinking that you need not be drawn into that sort of debate.

Albion said:

I know. I guess I am thinking that you need not be drawn into that sort of debate.

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Why is that?

Ronald said:

Well, Christians believe in one true God. We also believe that there is an enemy, Satan and his demonic horde. Now Satan is clever. Imagine a genius having a perfect memory and thousands of years to contrive various religions, distorting the truth about God but with one purpose, to keep people away from Jesus. Satan would say to his horde (who hates seeks to destroy mankind): "Let them believe in Mohamed, Krishna, Buddha, Brahma, L Ron Hubbard, reincarnation, astrology, evolution, aliens from outer space, witchcraft, black magic, the occult; let them believe and worship themselves, in their own power within, not needing anyone or person outside themselves, that they are gods who can do anything, achieve enlightenment and merit eternal bliss, salvation ... let them believe there are many ways to heaven ... and we will have succeeded in our mission. Don't mess with them, let them believe what they want ... unless they get close to Jesus. Then send in reinforcements to throw them off track, feed them doubts and confusion to cause them to lean on their own understanding and reason. Send them drug attics, alcoholics; strategically wait till they are weak and vulnerable, maybe a death in the family or lure them into adultery, set a trap for them to fall into, create anger, hate and depression and primarily this all falls under rebelliousness against god. So in summary, keep them away from Jesus and of course, the Bible."
This is Satan's tactics, these are his schemes and he is very good at them. He knows our weaknesses and he takes advantage of them. You have to understand, people DO NOT HAVE A CLUE THAT THIS SPIRITUAL WARFARE IS GOING ON AND THEY ARE THE VICTIMS. We do have an advocate on our side, Jesus. If we are on His list, He will guide you to the truth and any of the above schemes will dissolve as His Light shines in the darkness of it all. He sends His Holy Angels to war against Satan and His demons on our behave, but make no mistake, an invisible war is going on in your life.

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Is that why there is no World Peace?

Because there always has to be an enemy, if you cannot find one, create one.

US declares, Russia, N Korea and Iran as the greatest threat.

No wish to bring politics into this,but there are similarities.

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Robban said:

Is that why there is no World Peace?

Because there always has to be an enemy, if you cannot find one, create one.

US declares, Russia, N Korea and Iran as the greatest threat.

No wish to bring politics into this,but there are similarities.

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You are a Jew, you know Satan is real. You know sin is real and sin is the reason why there cannot be world peace until the Lord removes it. Maybe you know God's plan was not that man suffer and struggle in a sinful world fore eons without end. Maybe you know that the end is near. Surely you've read about Judgment Day, many Old Testament scriptures speak of this: Zeph. 1:18, 2:1-3; Zech. 12:3, 9, 14:2-4, 12; Daniel 12; Psalm 9:7, 11:6; Isaiah 1:28, 13:9-13, 33:14, 34:8-11, 66:15, 16. Oh yes, there are plenty in the New Testament that support all these.
There is spiritual warfare behind all the wars and of course the culprit, our own sinful ways. Evil will someday be removed and that day is very soon ... maybe this year?
Politically, Russia, N Korea, Iran generate evil, their fundamental beliefs are evil. The U.S., once a great and godly nation has become corrupt at the highest levels. We are seriously divided and sin has corrupted the best of our leaders. Can we fix it, I doubt it. $19 trillion in debt, come on. We are at the precipice.

Ronald said:

Politically, Russia, N Korea, Iran generate evil, their fundamental beliefs are evil. The U.S., once a great and godly nation has become corrupt at the highest levels. We are seriously divided and sin has corrupted the best of our leaders. Can we fix it, I doubt it. $19 trillion in debt, come on. We are at the precipice.

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Welcome to earth and humanity. Same as always.

Ronald said:

The U.S., once a great and godly nation has become corrupt at the highest levels.

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What, exactly, was great and godly about running the Native Americans off their land, practicing slavery, and subjugating women?

Ronald said:

You are a Jew, you know Satan is real. You know sin is real and sin is the reason why there cannot be world peace until the Lord removes it. Maybe you know God's plan was not that man suffer and struggle in a sinful world fore eons without end. Maybe you know that the end is near. Surely you've read about Judgment Day, many Old Testament scriptures speak of this: Zeph. 1:18, 2:1-3; Zech. 12:3, 9, 14:2-4, 12; Daniel 12; Psalm 9:7, 11:6; Isaiah 1:28, 13:9-13, 33:14, 34:8-11, 66:15, 16. Oh yes, there are plenty in the New Testament that support all these.
There is spiritual warfare behind all the wars and of course the culprit, our own sinful ways. Evil will someday be removed and that day is very soon ... maybe this year?
Politically, Russia, N Korea, Iran generate evil, their fundamental beliefs are evil. The U.S., once a great and godly nation has become corrupt at the highest levels. We are seriously divided and sin has corrupted the best of our leaders. Can we fix it, I doubt it. $19 trillion in debt, come on. We are at the precipice.

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Well,
my starting point would be,

No one can blame anyone/thing for anything,
I cannot say, "If were not for this...."
or,
"If only that or this....."

All has a purpose,
nothing just happens,
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"And G-d happened upon Balaam,"
(Numbers 23:4)
to the evil prophet Balaam, G-d happened.

Such is the hallmark of evil and unholness,
an attitude of "It just happened"

In holiness nothing is coincidental,
every event is significant and purposeful.
(The Chassidic Masters)

Ronald said:

Do you contrive schemes to lead me away from Christ?
Do you hate me and seek to destroy me or harm my loved ones?
As I listed, these are Satan's schemes and He sends His demons and children out to do his work.
If you are trying to lead any Christians away from Christ or discouraging people who are not yet Christians who are seeking Jesus, then you are playing the devils hand and are an enemy.
If you are not, then you are not my enemy.

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How ironic is it that Christians try to lead people away from their religions and harm families when they seek the right to discriminate? "You are not my enemy as long as you don't do these things that I do to you." Should I not consider you my enemy then?

Ronald said:

Politically, Russia, N Korea, Iran generate evil, their fundamental beliefs are evil. The U.S., once a great and godly nation has become corrupt at the highest levels. We are seriously divided and sin has corrupted the best of our leaders. Can we fix it, I doubt it. $19 trillion in debt, come on. We are at the precipice.

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The U.S. is a nation like many others it has done its fair share of evil things. It never was a "godly nation", whatever that even means. I'm not sure where this idea that the U.S. was somehow "spiritually better" in the past comes from, other than the waning of the Christianity in public life.

I'm not a fan of any of the countries you listed but what exactly are their fundamental beliefs? I think when you peel them back you'll find a lot of similarity with most nations of the world.

Ronald said:

When she finds out she can't get in without Jesus (whom she believes was a good man but did not rise from the dead or die for our sins -- just a man, and then was murdered), then she will certainly be surprised, shake her fist at God himself -- oh yes, prideful and arrogant to the point. This is not good ... nothing I can do or say.

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It sounds like religious beliefs have come between your mother and yourself. I'm really sorry to hear that.

My wife and I took care of her mother during her death process. I watched in sadness as some of her children, who sound just like you, caused her huge anguish as they tried to save her soul before she died. They did everything they could think of. But not once did any of them come over just to visit and hang out with her. They were freaking out because as her health deteriorated they were loosing Salvation saving time with her. All they could think of was their mother's Salvation. It was both really weird and very sad to watch. I can't even come close to describing the picture of what they were doing.

It's a lot of work to care for a dying person and not once did any of this group of Christians relieve my wife and I in any way, shape or form. All they could think about is Salvation for mom. This went on even through the funeral. I learned a lot from this group. I honestly hope that your mother well not have to go through what my mother-in-law did and when her time comes that she is supported and helped through the process with love, compassion and understanding.

msjones21 said:

Can a Christian:
~Burn incense and meditate?
~Respect the earth and nature in a spiritual sense?
~Refer to Creator God as a female (goddess) or as an asexual deity?
~Burn candles to represent various needs?
~Use herbs and oils to heal ailments?

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1. yes
2. yes. Respect only, not worship.
3. Wrong idea in reality. Theologically, NO.
4. yes.
5. yes.

Simple questions, so simple answers. No room for explanation, sorry.

Ronald said:

You are a Jew, you know Satan is real. You know sin is real and sin is the reason why there cannot be world peace until the Lord removes it. Maybe you know God's plan was not that man suffer and struggle in a sinful world fore eons without end. Maybe you know that the end is near. Surely you've read about Judgment Day, many Old Testament scriptures speak of this: Zeph. 1:18, 2:1-3; Zech. 12:3, 9, 14:2-4, 12; Daniel 12; Psalm 9:7, 11:6; Isaiah 1:28, 13:9-13, 33:14, 34:8-11, 66:15, 16. Oh yes, there are plenty in the New Testament that support all these.
There is spiritual warfare behind all the wars and of course the culprit, our own sinful ways. Evil will someday be removed and that day is very soon ... maybe this year?
Politically, Russia, N Korea, Iran generate evil, their fundamental beliefs are evil. The U.S., once a great and godly nation has become corrupt at the highest levels. We are seriously divided and sin has corrupted the best of our leaders. Can we fix it, I doubt it. $19 trillion in debt, come on. We are at the precipice.

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If your leaders are corrupt and and your nations debt is 19 trillion bucks, who,s fault is that?

It would appear it is a mess, but nothing like the mess it has made of the ME, totally destroyed.

So yeah, there will be a judgement day.

Something to keep in mind.

RayJeena said:

What, exactly, was great and godly about running the Native Americans off their land, practicing slavery, and subjugating women?

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When you think of great things achieved, like our freedom, becoming the most powerful and prosperous nation ever, industry, and over quality of life, a leader in the world, a moral nation and peacemakers and the pursuit of happiness was more tangible than anywhere else. Keep in mind, slavery existed in every country throughout history and we are the only ones who fought a civil war where 700,000 people gave their lives in it.
Sin was present in many forms, but our government and laws were created to restrain evil, protect our rights, freedoms and property.
Study history and you'll find that every kingdom conquered territory and grew by brutal methods, wars and the winner took the spoils. We tried to make peace, but natives were savage and hostile as well. They fought against each tribe too. Do you think they just sat around and smoked a peace pipe?

awitch said:

How ironic is it that Christians try to lead people away from their religions and harm families when they seek the right to discriminate? "You are not my enemy as long as you don't do these things that I do to you." Should I not consider you my enemy then?

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I am not perpetrating evil upon you, harming you ... just sharing the truth about Jesus. Find it offensive, I'll stop.