Bible Israel Controversy

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"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: May those who love you be secure".

Psalms 122:6
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"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

Genesis 12:3
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The Holy Spirit led me to pray for the peace of Jerusalem daily many years ago. He also led me to pray daily for His chosen people-the Jewish people.
 
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It cannot be.

First off, the promises to Israel by God...the covenant...is not even in dispute. That's what a lot of people who use the false term of "Replacement Theology" don't seem to get. The actual dispute is what Israel is. What is Israel? How do we know who are God's People?

We know this because we become them by adoption. All, men and women, Jew or Gentile, become an adopted son of God by their baptism, for in it we are baptized in Christ's death, burial and descent, and resurrection.

Are Jews who are not adherents of Christ saved? No. The NT makes that very clear. But what of the Remnant? That's very easy: they are the Jews who did not abandon God and accepted Him Incarnate as Lord and Savior. All the others have rejected His salvation and will be Judged accordingly if it is His Will.

In both Judaism and Christianity, there has always been the importance of "ancientness" and "history". Judaism is all about the history of a nation and its relation with God; Christianity is no different, except its nation is all nations...all people in Christ. One nation of nations, if one wants to put it this way; a God that shows no partiality and is a respecter of no one. Without a historical link, the country of Israel cannot be the successor, and it cannot even be a spiritual one because of what happened in both the Gospels and in proven history: in the Gospels, the temple was broken, telling us the end of Judaism as of any merit. That was further enforced by its destruction a few decades later. Judaism is a dead religion, but God did not forsake anyone, for in Christ's blood is a new and final covenant; a continuation of salvation's history and with His relationship with His people. This time, however, it is with everyone, for God did not incarnate solely for Jews but, being human...just being incarnate...becoming part of creation by taking creation unto Himself...He includes now all peoples...all things into His saving embrace.

But this is all in Christ. What is the Mystical Body of Christ? The Church; the community in which we are initiated into by baptism. The Church isn't the replacement but the continuation of the True Israel; the Covenants, which Jesus condensed and summarized in how they should have all been followed in His Two Great Commandments, are still there. The only things gone are the old theologies no longer necessary because of Him and His Sacrifice: no more ritual/holiness laws...no more ritual purity...no more social laws. He was the Torah and nailed it. In Him we find our salvation, and our entering into Him is our accepting of this continued covenant and membership with Abraham and all our spiritual forefathers.

This is Christianity. All else is not.

So a jew who does not accept christ suffers the same fate as an atheist?
 
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So a jew who does not accept christ suffers the same fate as an atheist?

I'm not God, so I have no clue. What I do know is that the Holy Writ makes it clear that it is only by Jesus the Christ and His merits and grace can anyone be saved.

Both Jews and Atheists reject Christ. Only Christians accept it.
 
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I'm not God, so I have no clue. What I do know is that the Holy Writ makes it clear that it is only by Jesus the Christ and His merits and grace can anyone be saved.

Both Jews and Atheists reject Christ. Only Christians accept it.

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I have quit attending a handful of churches when I walked by their tables that have a bunch of pamphlets and a few happened to have very pro-Israel ones on it with the same thinking.

I have the disagreement that the modern nation of Israel is the same as the biblical Israel. Just because they're 90% Jewish doesn't mean its the same Israel.
I noticed that as well.... Some Calvinists are like this, some Baptists as well. Israel ranks almost higher than Jesus and the Gospel there. The country with the name "Israel", is merely the creation of very secular Jews from Eastern Europe.
 
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The first "Christians" were Jewish.

Acts 11:19-30


The Church in Antioch
19 Now those who were scattered because of the persecution that took place over Stephen travelled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus, and Antioch, and they spoke the word to no one except Jews. 20But among them were some men of Cyprus and Cyrene who, on coming to Antioch, spoke to the Hellenists* also, proclaiming the Lord Jesus. 21The hand of the Lord was with them, and a great number became believers and turned to the Lord. 22News of this came to the ears of the church in Jerusalem, and they sent Barnabas to Antioch. 23When he came and saw the grace of God, he rejoiced, and he exhorted them all to remain faithful to the Lord with steadfast devotion; 24for he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And a great many people were brought to the Lord. 25Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, 26and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for an entire year they associated with* the church and taught a great many people, and it was in Antioch that the disciples were first called ‘Christians’.
 
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You are unwittingly judging me? THE EPC (Evangelical Presbyterian Church) supports Israel.

What do you do with the references to:

“time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7). Here is what the Bible says about Israel in the end times:

There will be a mass return of Jews to the land of Israel (Deuteronomy 30:3; Isaiah 43:6; Ezekiel 34:11-13; 36:24; 37:1-14).

The Antichrist will make a 7-year covenant of "peace" with Israel (Isaiah 28:18; Daniel 9:27).

The temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem (Daniel 9:27; Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 11:1).

The Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel, and worldwide persecution of Israel will result (Daniel 9:27; 12:1, 11; Zechariah 11:16; Matthew 24:15, 21; Revelation 12:13). Israel will be invaded (Ezekiel chapters 38-39).

Israel will finally recognize Jesus as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10). Israel will be regenerated, restored, and regathered (Jeremiah 33:8; Ezekiel 11:17; Romans 11:26).

There is much turmoil in Israel today. Israel is persecuted, surrounded by enemies—Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, etc. But this hatred and persecution of Israel is only a hint of what will happen in the end times (Matthew 24:15-21). The latest round of persecution began when Israel was reconstituted as a nation in 1948. Many Bible prophecy scholars believed the six-day Arab-Israeli war in 1967 was the "beginning of the end." Could what is taking place in Israel today indicate that the end is near? Yes. Does it necessarily mean the end is near? No. Jesus Himself said it best, "Watch out that no one deceives you. . . . You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come" (Matthew 24:4-6).

Recommended Resource: Understanding End Times Prophecy by Paul Benware
 
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