Yes, what you write is absolutely true. The problem with the Seventh Day Adventists is that they ignore virtually all of God's commandments except the Ten Commmandments.
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God's TEN Commandments: Keep them? or break them?
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Yes, what you write is absolutely true. The problem with the Seventh Day Adventists is that they ignore virtually all of God's commandments except the Ten Commmandments.
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I don't agree at all,
but even if it were true,
that would put them far ahead of others who don't obey even one commandment, right ?
Why is that a problem for you ?
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All that can be done, is like revealed in the OT when the city was besieged by the enemy, but YHWH'S people were in no danger at all, as His Chariots of fire were all around the city, much greater, for His Purpose , thus praying that your eyes be opened , to see what is all around you.
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A false accusation offered with nothing to back it up. Creative... but...
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God's TEN Commandments included in what the Bible calls the "Commandments of God"
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KEEP the Commandments - God's Ten Commandments are included as the "Commandments of God"
10 Commandments are
Commandments of God Neh 10:29
Law of God Neh 10:29
Word of God Mark 7:13
Commandment of God Mark 7:6-13
NT Scripture James 2:8
NT Law James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10
1John 2:
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
John says -
Rev 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.(KJV)
Christ said
Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Exodus 20
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Rev 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"
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KEEP the Commandments - God's Ten Commandments are included as the "Commandments of God"
10 Commandments are
Commandments of God Neh 10:29
Law of God Neh 10:29
Word of God Mark 7:13
Commandment of God Mark 7:6-13
NT Scripture James 2:8
NT Law James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10
1John 2:
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
John says -
Rev 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.(KJV)
Christ said
Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Exodus 20
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Rev 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"
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A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:34,35
You forgot this one, Bob.
You forgot this one, Bob.
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Nope -- it is all included. The fallacy of "either-or" not accepted here.
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You're not a commandment keeper because you go to church on Saturday! That's like saying I'm an angel because I flew on a 747!
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In this post - I show that this is an easy objective Bible detail that BOTH sides freely admit.
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The Command to "not take God's name in vain" is literal - just like all the others - it means "really... don't do it".
This point is so obvious that BOTH sides admit to it - as can be seen in the case of all the pro-Sunday groups accepting the fact that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are part of the moral law of God written on the heart.
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
The point remains.
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The Command to "not take God's name in vain" is literal - just like all the others - it means "really... don't do it".
This point is so obvious that BOTH sides admit to it - as can be seen in the case of all the pro-Sunday groups accepting the fact that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are part of the moral law of God written on the heart.
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
The point remains.
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You're not a commandment keeper just because you don't take the Lord's name in vain. More works righteousness from Bob who's not fooling anyone anymore.
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Ex 20:7 - "7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain."
Normally you have to look pretty long and hard to find someone at war against God's Commandments.
So then you are -- or are not -- arguing for taking God's name in vain??
Is it your claim that it is impossible for you not to take God's name in vain?
Rom 8:4-9
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
Normally you have to look pretty long and hard to find someone at war against God's Commandments.
So then you are -- or are not -- arguing for taking God's name in vain??
Is it your claim that it is impossible for you not to take God's name in vain?
Rom 8:4-9
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
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You're not a commandment keeper just because you don't take the Lord's name in vain. You're also not a commandment keeper because you go to church on Saturday. It's not what you do that makes you righteous but who you know and Christ left your church a long time ago.
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As we see in the case below - when it becomes soooo incredibly obvious that BOTH sides admit to the Bible details under discussion... well.. it just does not GET any easier than that!
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I don't choose not to break the Ten Commandments. I just don't break them because I am guided by the Holy Spirit. If I go into a store, I don't choose whether to steal or not. I don't choose not to kill somebody. I don't choose not to commit adultery -- I love my wife.
Choice is in the mind. I am guided by the Holy Spirit; there is no mental process involved.
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As it turns out - you have free will.
In Romans 7 - Paul says with his mind he chooses to serve the Law of God.
Free will choice is the difference between saved-vs-lost. It is not arbitrary selection by God that determines it.
Matt 23
37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38 Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! 39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’”
John 1:11 "He came to His OWN - and His OWN received Him not" --
Choice... free will
2 Cor 5 "we beg you on behalf of Christ - be reconciled to God"
Choice... free wlll
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As I said, I am guided by the Holy Spirit. If you want to call that free will, fine.That is diametrically opposite from being a slave to sin. Romans 7 depicts the struggle that one has when one is a slave and cannot do what they want.
Paul wrote this to the church in Galatia, "It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery."
It is ironic that people who are not Christians think that they have free will when actually they have none.
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Here is how Romans 6 describes not being a slave to sin -
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification.
20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.
(So then no "struggle at all")
21 Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. 22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Romans 7 describes the problem of the new born-again Christian whose mind "joyfully concurs with the LAW of God"
This is irrefutable.
In Romans 3 we have the lost "who do not seek after God" at all -- their mind in complete rebellion.
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bloodygrace said:
That is quite an accusation to sling at another about their church, when, if such things are being said, it could go in different directions for many various churches, even that are generally well accepted. Yet Christ not being in a church is not going to be the case for what day they congregate, I would never had said otherwise.
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That is just so very wrong, even with it to reflect the perspective of another movement not involved in this topic, it isn't even realistic, and it is not consistent with passages in the Bible. You think there is no choice to be guided by God's Spirit? Why are we told to submit and live by God's Spirit, not to fulfill desires of the flesh? We have to respond to submit. Scriptures are full of statements for us to choose. With redemption the Spirit of Yahweh God in us, with us being in Christ, enables us, that we may do according to commandments that are given. With no choices ever possible commandments would have been useless for being given to us.
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