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Seeing there are not many wise men called these days, I won't be able to find any knowledgeable Jews to speak the subject at hand on this forum. Otherwise, I thought there would be some to break the ice. How do you feel about this topic, that is, the building of the temple?

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It's a no show. Those who were invited to the dance were afraid of tripping over their feet. This scripture comes to mind:

1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

I don't know about you, but I find A little comfort in that scripture. I was just wondering SBC if you had some input on the construction of the temple? What walls need to be constructed?

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SBC, Howdy

Seeing there are not many wise men called these days, I won't be able to find any knowledgeable Jews to speak the subject at hand on this forum. Otherwise, I thought there would be some to break the ice. How do you feel about this topic, that is, the building of the temple?

Sincerely:
Hethatreadethit

This is a Christian forum, so not sure many Jews would flock to here, to engage you in conversation.

My personal thought;
1) Jews for the most part feel the necessity to rebuild to fulfill prophecy of a third Temple.
2) Jews want a significant mark in "their" Gods City, dedicated to Him, where they can gather and worship Him.

My Christian POV; (which may or may not coincide with other Christians);
1) Jesus is mankind's Lord God with them on earth.
2) Jesus is building His Temple (Church) "within" the faithful, as new members are added daily.


God Bless,
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It's a no show. Those who were invited to the dance were afraid of tripping over their feet. This scripture comes to mind:

1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

I don't know about you, but I find A little comfort in that scripture. I was just wondering SBC if you had some input on the construction of the temple? What walls need to be constructed?

Sincerely
Hethatreadethit

Hi ~
Personally ~
I believe Where the faithful gather to worship Jesus; regardless of where it is; that Jesus is among them.
I believe Abraham was the faithful example; per men; and given the honor of earthly Father; by promise of God.
I believe where Abraham (in his day) did gather; per the Lord; the Lord was with him.
I believe Lord Jesus is our example; per His own ministry; per what we personally experience when one has faith in Him; that indeed He is with those who have trust in Him.

I find no need for the physical construction of a new Jewish Temple, per a Christian view, but yet do understand the POV of a Jew.

Further;
There are supposedly models (which are on the internet) of proposals for the new Temple's design, if you care to look up "models".
I would suppose you would find supporters for the rebuilding; their ideas, plans, projections and views more applicably on sites fostering those things.

God Bless,
SBC
 
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It's a no show. Those who were invited to the dance were afraid of tripping over their feet. This scripture comes to mind:

1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

I don't know about you, but I find A little comfort in that scripture. I was just wondering SBC if you had some input on the construction of the temple? What walls need to be constructed?

Sincerely
Hethatreadethit

You post a question to the “Jews” in an area that is specifically for “Christians only”. There are Jews on Christian Forums but they cannot respond here to this question, the system will not allow them to post in a Christians only area. To then say they are a no show and afraid of tripping over their feet seems a bit mean spirited.
 
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This is a Christian forum, so not sure many Jews would flock to here, to engage you in conversation.

My personal thought;
1) Jews for the most part feel the necessity to rebuild to fulfill prophecy of a third Temple.
2) Jews want a significant mark in "their" Gods City, dedicated to Him, where they can gather and worship Him.

My Christian POV; (which may or may not coincide with other Christians);
1) Jesus is mankind's Lord God with them on earth.
2) Jesus is building His Temple (Church) "within" the faithful, as new members are added daily.


God Bless,
SBC

Your right SBC, I thought they might have a large Jewish segment but I'm probably wrong.

My main reason for this thread was to bring to the light the hope of the Gospel, according to scripture of which Christ was fulfilling in His sacrifice, and by which the Jews would carnally repeat by their building a new temple. That is, the preliminary steps of sanctification and cleansing of which God requires to initiate temple service.

The Temple Christ came to establish was founded by faith and hope by revealing the resurrection of Christ by the scriptures. The apostles referred to a specific scripture they noted as this:

Joh 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

The apostles saw first hand that Christ had been resurrected, but as for people like us; not so, that is why God's word bares witness. Otherwise, it is just word of mouth which is just here-say.

The scripture or scriptures that reveal the resurrection is a great part of the Gospel.

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Hi ~
Personally ~
I believe Where the faithful gather to worship Jesus; regardless of where it is; that Jesus is among them.
I believe Abraham was the faithful example; per men; and given the honor of earthly Father; by promise of God.
I believe where Abraham (in his day) did gather; per the Lord; the Lord was with him.
I believe Lord Jesus is our example; per His own ministry; per what we personally experience when one has faith in Him; that indeed He is with those who have trust in Him.

I find no need for the physical construction of a new Jewish Temple, per a Christian view, but yet do understand the POV of a Jew.

Further;
There are supposedly models (which are on the internet) of proposals for the new Temple's design, if you care to look up "models".
I would suppose you would find supporters for the rebuilding; their ideas, plans, projections and views more applicably on sites fostering those things.

God Bless,
SBC

Hi SBC,
Abraham is directly related to the Gospel. The Gospel was God fulfilling His vow to Abraham and the blessing.

Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

The blessing that Abraham and His Seed received was a vow. When performing a vow in the old covenant, there was a sacrifice performed:

Num 15:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land of your habitations, which I give unto you,
Num 15:3 And will make an offering by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, or a sacrifice in performing a vow, or in a freewill offering, or in your solemn feasts, to make a sweet savour unto the LORD, of the herd, or of the flock:
Num 15:4 Then shall he that offereth his offering unto the LORD bring a meat offering of a tenth deal of flour mingled with the fourth part of an hin of oil.
Num 15:5 And the fourth part of an hin of wine for a drink offering shalt thou prepare with the burnt offering or sacrifice, for one lamb.

The reason I make this point is that I believe the daily sacrifice by which the Jewish temple gave day and night, continual service, was a similar offering and showed the purpose that was to fulfill God's blessing to the Seed of Abraham:

Exo 29:40 And with the one lamb a tenth deal of flour mingled with the fourth part of an hin of beaten oil; and the fourth part of an hin of wine for a drink offering.

The blessing was spiritually according to the grain and drink offering:

Joe 2:14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?

Spiritually, this offering (the daily) foreshadowed the Sacrifice of Praise. So, Christ came to reveal the will of God and that is an eternal commitment to all those gathered in Him. You know: His will shall be done.!

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You post a question to the “Jews” in an area that is specifically for “Christians only”. There are Jews on Christian Forums but they cannot respond here to this question, the system will not allow them to post in a Christians only area. To then say they are a no show and afraid of tripping over their feet seems a bit mean spirited.

My apologies.
 
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If there are any well educated Jews or Israelis, I would like to learn from them about basic requirements that are necessary to build the New Temple. As a Gentile, you may look down upon me, but if your familiar with the prophets, you know that there will be Gentiles, that are allowed to help build the walls of the Temple.

Isa 60:10 And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.

I only suspect that this will please God even more than carnal sacrifice:

Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Psa 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.
Psa 51:19 Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.

I have great concern for you my friends, that your process of doing this reconstruction may bring back a serious controversy from your early years of temple sacrifice:

Mic 6:1 Hear ye now what the LORD saith; Arise, contend thou before the mountains, and let the hills hear thy voice.
Mic 6:2 Hear ye, O mountains, the LORD'S controversy, and ye strong foundations of the earth: for the LORD hath a controversy with his people, and he will plead with Israel.
Mic 6:3 O my people, what have I done unto thee? and wherein have I wearied thee? testify against me.
Mic 6:4 For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of servants; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.
Mic 6:5 O my people, remember now what Balak king of Moab consulted, and what Balaam the son of Beor answered him from [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim unto Gilgal; that ye may know the righteousness of the LORD.
Mic 6:6 Wherewith shall I come before the LORD, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old?
Mic 6:7 Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

I believe the Messiah is needed now, more than ever to bring to light this and all controversies.

Deu 17:8 If there arise a matter too hard for thee in judgment, between blood and blood, between plea and plea, and between stroke and stroke, being matters of controversy within thy gates: then shalt thou arise, and get thee up into the place which the LORD thy God shall choose;
Deu 17:9 And thou shalt come unto the priests the Levites, and unto the judge that shall be in those days, and enquire; and they shall shew thee the sentence of judgment:
Deu 17:10 And thou shalt do according to the sentence, which they of that place which the LORD shall choose shall shew thee; and thou shalt observe to do according to all that they inform thee:
Deu 17:11 According to the sentence of the law which they shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline from the sentence which they shall shew thee, to the right hand, nor to the left.
Deu 17:12 And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.
Deu 17:13 And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously.

I also know that there will need to be a purification, and this will require LIVING WATER, and a perfectly red heifer. A purification from death, and what my question would pose now:
If there is a purification from death, will the outcome of this temple be eternal life?
For the HOPE of ISRAEL, this must be the only outcome, for anything else will just end up the return to wrath.

Most sincerely from your human brother:

Hethatreadethit


I know of a group that can probably answer many of your questions about this.


https://bneyyosefna.com/about-bney-yosef-children-of-joseph/articles-of-declaration/
 
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Hi,

I did not intend to bring a contention between Jew/Gentile, and it was a "in general" statement, and I know that God commanded the Jews to love the strangers that were among them.

I have a Jewish commentary on Isaiah 60:10 by Judaica Books:

Just as the Israelites will not build the Temple, neither will they build the walls of
Jerusalem, but the gentiles will build them. - [Ibn Ezra]

Anyway, I do not want to make a big deal about it, cause doing the work of G-d and building up (not tearing down) is good.

How do the Jews feel about a person who leaves the Jewish faith to become a Christian?

Answer to your question:
Believers are the tabernacle and they are built into the "walls of salvation":

Isa 60:18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.

These are spiritual happenings and the carnal mind will have trouble with this and the idea of a wall.

I have a question for you:
What is the hope of Israel:

I must get ready for work, but I would like to go further here if Your willing?

Sincerely
Hethatreadethit

You said;How do the Jews feel about a person who leaves the Jewish faith to become a Christian?
Jews who leave Judaism to accept Yeshua as their Messiah is going from one Jewish faith to another Jewish faith Yeshua is the Vine born in Israel gathering fruit all over the world :D
The Hope of Israel
is
the Hope of the World Jesus.
 
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NO!!! The God of Israel allows it but He (Trinity) is not in this Temple...

You could be correct about that.... I really don't know... but I do like the prophecy from a man from Uganda that when Christians assist the Jewish people to rebuild the Jerusalem Third Temple there will be a massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit on all flesh.

This does seem to fit with scripture.......


Eporu Ronald Alfred

Kakira Deliverance Church,
P.O. Box 3191, Kakira, Jinja, Uganda

......

Dear brethren,
I salute you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ!

RE: SHARING NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE TRUTH IN BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE IMMINENT HEALING AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

I am mesmerized by the truth in bible prophecy that the Spirit of God has been revealing over the recent years. Secret things belong to God and those that are revealed belong to us and our children... (Deut 29: 29).

1. King Cyrus the great ruled his country 555 years Before Christ i.e. from 576 BC to 530 BC and authorised the rebuilding of the second temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus of the Old Testament is hence associated with the number 555 and is the shadow figure of incoming Cyrus II of the New Testament. You may learn more about his history from the internet and scriptures. This new truth enables us to identify the leadership of the world that will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as prophesied in book of Isaiah before the rise of antichrist. Cyrus II is coming to revive the evangelical/Pentecostal church in Jerusalem and restore the headquarters of the church in same city where the church was born. He is set to strip Babylon of the vessels of the temple and the name of the Lord God and transfer that crown back to Jerusalem thus leaving Babylon naked. Cyrus will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in fulfilment of the prophecy of Jesus as written in the book of John 2:18-23 and the prophecy of Isaiah as written in chapters 40, 41, 45 and 47 of the book of Isaiah. Jesus regarded the temple as the symbol of his own body while saying that he had the power to lay it down on the first day (1st millennium) and rebuild or raise it up on the 3rd day (3rd millennium). Remember that one day in the eyes of God is the same as one thousand years (millennium) as stated in book of 2 Peter 3:8. Rebuilding of the temple is thus associated with unification of the church.

Cyrus II will rebuild the temple in honour of our lord Jesus Christ. The temple will be the unifying (rallying) point of the world wide evangelical church as the original headquarters of the church. Psalms133 denotes that there is such a powerful anointing that comes along with unity among brethren. Unification of the whole body of Jesus Christ will make the church so powerful that she will overrun the world within a short time before the return of our lord Jesus Christ. A divided church is a powerless church whereas a united church is a powerful church. The church can only be able to fulfil her ultimate mission of revealing Jesus to the world once we get united as one body of Jesus Christ following his last prayer for his disciples as written in John 17:20-23.

Cyrus II will erase that false image of Jesus that the counterfeit and Idolatrous state church of Babylon has been projecting around the world and revive the original church that projects the true brilliant image of Jesus Christ. Haggai 2:9 says that the glory of the latter church (temple) will be greater than the glory of the former church (temple).The rise of Cyrus will also usher in the ultimate fulfilment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28 where God intends to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in these last days. The era of Cyrus brings the gentile period of grace to its close and leads to the restoration of the Jewish period of grace and salvation.




2. King Manasseh was the shadow figure (forerunner) of the antichrist in the Old Testament who ruled over Jerusalem exactly 666 years Before Christ i.e. from 697 BC to 642 BC. (2 chronicle 33: 1-2 and 2 kings 21: 1-17). Antichrist is associated with the number 666 as written in the book of Revelation 13:18. Manasseh was the most evil king to have ever ruled over the city of Jerusalem and kingdom of Judah.

Manasseh is reported to have killed so many innocent people in Jerusalem that the streets of Jerusalem were flowing with blood; he worshiped pagan idols and stars; he built pagan alters for idols and stars in the very courtyards of the temple; he sacrificed his sons to idols; he consulted diviners and mediums; he even set up an abominable pagan image at the temple that causes desolation just as the incoming antichrist will do. It was on that basis that God decided to have that first temple destroyed completely since Manasseh had desecrated it.



3. Prophet Jonah was the shadow figure (forerunner) of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament who undertook his prophetic ministry around 777 B.C. Prophet Jonah is hence associated with the number 777. He arose from the shadow and demise of Prophet Elisha. His preaching radiated such great power and authority that turned the city of Nineveh as the rising super power of that time up side down within 3 days only (read the book of Jonah). Jonah was the prophetic force behind the restoration of the lost territories of Israel in the reign of King Jeroboam II of Israel between 782 BC and 741 BC as written in II Kings 14:25. Jonah related with God more or less as his own father and God loved him more or less as His own son. He volunteered to die save occupants of the ship and was raised to life after three days just like Jesus Christ. Jesus compared himself with Jonah as his forerunner in the Old Testament as far as his earthly ministry, death and resurrection was concerned in Mathew 12; 38-41, Luke 11; 29-32. Jesus will also oversee the restoration of the lost territories of Israel just like prophet Jonah when he comes to rule as the king of kings and Lord of Lords. We can therefore correctly associate Jesus Christ with the number 777 just like Jonah as our commander-in-chief, Lord of the Sabbath and fountain of life.

The more we know where we came from the more we know where we are going. You are cordially invited to visit my face book home page for more information and messages. Feel free to share this truth with other brethren just as I received it free of charge from God.

Your brother in Christ

Eporu Ronald
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You could be correct about that.... I really don't know... but I do like the prophecy from a man from Uganda that when Christians assist the Jewish people to rebuild the Jerusalem Third Temple there will be a massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit on all flesh.

This does seem to fit with scripture.......
Jesus said in the "Last Days" many would come deceiving and being deceived ... just because some guy in the desert tells you to do something ~Especially now~ Believers MUST weigh everything out against Gods inspired Word.Jesus told us in Scripture not to have anything to do with the works of darkness...
So we simply don't... Why not put money and time into building the Kingdom of God which is treasures in heaven?? it pays much better...
 
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Jesus said in the "Last Days" many would come deceiving and being deceived ... just because some guy in the desert tells you to do something ~Especially now~ Believers MUST weigh everything out against Gods inspired Word.Jesus told us in Scripture not to have anything to do with the works of darkness...
So we simply don't... Why not put money and time into building the Kingdom of God which is treasures in heaven?? it pays much better...

But..... it is very possible that Zechariah chapter 14 cannot be fulfilled..... until after the Jerusalem Third Temple is operational.

Read Isaiah 66:5,6.... they are interesting too........ how can the voice of Messiah be in the temple..... until there is a functioning temple.... .and how can the sacrifices be stopped for three and a half years or so...... if they have not began?

Do we fear this anti-Christ person more than we desire to see Messiah Yeshua - Jesus set up his eternal kingdom????
 
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fwiw, not to derail this thread ; just a warning, the so-called prophecy from Uganda appears to be entirely false and deceptive, contrary to Scripture and misleading as many souls as will follow such things as the false prophecy. Test everything by Scripture, simply.
 
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fwiw, not to derail this thread ; just a warning, the so-called prophecy from Uganda appears to be entirely false and deceptive, contrary to Scripture and misleading as many souls as will follow such things as the false prophecy. Test everything by Scripture, simply.

Take some time..... read from Isaiah chapter 42 to Isaiah 46...and see if you still feel the same way?

Notice that Isaiah 45:4,5 indicate a mere human Cyrus... .who doesn't even know G-d very well at all.
 
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Take some time..... read from Isaiah chapter 42 to Isaiah 46...and see if you still feel the same way?

Notice that Isaiah 45:4,5 indicate a mere human Cyrus... .who doesn't even know G-d very well at all.
No. Further listening to someone who appears to be repeating false prophecies is forbidden by YHWH,
so especially also fulfilling requests for them is simply , no.
 
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No. Further listening to someone who appears to be repeating false prophecies is forbidden by YHWH,
so especially also fulfilling requests for them is simply , no.

Are you saying that Isaiah chapter 42 - Isaiah 46 is a false prophecy?
........
One of the best arguments that I have ran into as to why
Christians should support the Orthodox Jewish community
in their desire to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple is
a statement by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus:

Luke 24:25

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

So... all that the prophets have spoken would include Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 that
clearly describe the restored Jerusalem Third Temple as part of the Era of Messiah / Moshiach.... .the millennial rule of Messiah over all the earth.

Also:
Luke 13:35

"Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

Was Ezekiel blessed?

Did Ezekiel come in the name of the Lord?

Is Christianity relatively desolate due to our having forgotten the words of the Prophets?
 
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Are you saying that Isaiah chapter 42 - Isaiah 46 is a false prophecy?
Thank you for verifying the lack of integrity in your posts.
You twisted true and honest words into an attempted and misdirected, evil, false implication of your own.
 
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