Doctrines of Devils?

Monk Brendan · Jul 21, 2017

amariselle said:
1. Forbidding marriage
2. Commanding people to abstain from meats

If one wants to be a Roman Catholic priest, then it is part of the job description is to be single and celibate. If one has a problem with that, then maybe the Orthodox or Eastern Catholic Churches would be an answer.

Fasting and abstaining from meat has been part of God's plan for much longer than Christ's sojourn on earth. Fasting helps to clarify the spirit. It teaches you to say NO to little things, like meat, so that when a big temptation comes along, you can say NO to satan. It is that simple.

BTW, even slow and stupid people like myself understand what you mean by "a certain church group." This is unconscionable

Edit for typo

amariselle · Jul 21, 2017

Widlast said:
You are painting with a very broad brush.
Abstinence from meat is vegetarianism or veganism, not avoiding meat on Fridays.
Both Paul and Peter said that celibacy was preferred for clergy (though not mandatory).
And you may have noticed that God places a premium on virginity.

Not "painting with a broad brush" at all. I clearly specified with Scripture what I was referring to.

But you are correct, celibacy may have been "preferred" but it was not "mandated". The point of this thread was to refer to what the Bible says regarding forbidding marriage and abstaining from "meats." Specifically, the Bible says such things are "doctrines of devils."

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jul 21, 2017

Widlast said:
You are painting with a very broad brush.
Abstinence from meat is vegetarianism or veganism, not avoiding meat on Fridays.
Both Paul and Peter said that celibacy was preferred for clergy (though not mandatory).
And you may have noticed that God places a premium on virginity.

Paul maybe, but Peter? Peter was married and had children...

amariselle · Jul 21, 2017

Monk Brendan said:
If one wants to be a Roman Catholic priest, then it is part of the job description is to be single and celibate. If one has a problem with that, then maybe the Orthodox or Eastern Catholic Churches would be an answer.

Fasting and abstaining from meat has been part of God's plan for much longer than Christ's sojourn on earth. Fasting helps to clarify the spirit. It teaches you to say NO to little things, like meat, so that when a big temptation comes along, you can say NO to satan. It is that simple.

BTW, even slow and stupid people like myself understand what you mean by "a certain church group." This is unconscionable

Edit for typo

You may want to go back and re-read carefully what I wrote. Nowhere did I refer to "a certain church group." Though I noticed YOU have chosen to bring up Roman Catholicism.

amariselle · Jul 21, 2017

Dkh587 said:
Yes, according to God, eating unclean animals defiles you. I don't think you can be defiled by not washing your hands before you eat, as Jesus taught, but eating unclean animals defiles us.

Leviticus 11:43-45
Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby. For I am יהוה your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. For I am יהוה that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

We are not under the Law.

Monk Brendan · Jul 21, 2017

Albion said:
That's a misreading of what amariselle wrote.

Yes, I know it is. However, she has been pointing at a "certain group of people," which I find reprehensible. This: "Stating or implying that another Christian member, or group of members, are not Christian is not allowed" is what the rules of CF say. Or should I just "go off" on all of the Protestant things that are not in the Bible. I'd get behind handed me, and you know it.

Albion · Jul 21, 2017

I didn't catch anywhere that 'Catholics are not Christian' had been posted.

faroukfarouk · Jul 21, 2017

amariselle said:
We are not under the Law.

Well, exactly. Hebrews 7.12 says the law was changed, and Hebrews 7.19 says that what we now have is better than the law.

amariselle · Jul 21, 2017

claninja said:
So being vegan is of the devil?

Ummm.....no. I think you have misunderstood the point of those Scriptures and this thread entirely.

Specifically, what those Scriptures are dealing with regards the forbidding marriage and demanding that people abstain from certain foods.

Whether someone personally chooses and/or is convicted by God to do such things is between them and the Lord. When it is imposed upon them by others, however, that is another matter.

Monk Brendan · Jul 21, 2017

amariselle said:
You may want to go back and re-read carefully what I wrote. Nowhere did I refer to "a certain church group." Though I noticed YOU have chosen to bring up Roman Catholicism.

Thank you, and I accept the reprimand, it was KAH that made those comments. However, you did follow the thread, so your comments are up to debate as well.

amariselle · Jul 21, 2017

Albion said:
I didn't catch anywhere that 'Catholics are not Christian' had been posted.

It hasn't. This is not and was not intended to be a thread dealing with Catholicism. My intent and hope was that we could (respectfully) discuss the Scriptures in the OP.

amariselle · Jul 21, 2017

Monk Brendan said:
Thank you, and I accept the reprimand, it was KAH that made those comments. However, you did follow the thread, so your comments are up to debate as well.

Actually, I started this thread. My purpose in doing so was to discuss the Scriptures in the OP. This is not a thread about Catholicism. As such I hope we can discuss the Scriptures I referred to respectfully.

Monk Brendan · Jul 21, 2017

amariselle said:
So I wonder how, for so many years these "doctrines of demons" have actually been imposed on so many and accepted by so many, just as Paul said the Holy Spirit had revealed to Him it would happen?

And just who was imposing those "doctrines of demons?"

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 21, 2017

amariselle said:
If the Bible says that forbidding to marry and commanding that people "abstain" from meats are "doctrines of devils", why do so many Christians accept these restrictions (often commanded and imposed by church leadership) as actually from God Himself?

As written, they are deceived.

amariselle · Jul 21, 2017

Monk Brendan said:
And just who was imposing those "doctrines of demons?"

In those verses Paul was speaking of what the Spirit had revealed to him was yet to come.

Albion · Jul 21, 2017

amariselle said:
But you are correct, celibacy may have been "preferred" but it was not "mandated".

Actually, it WAS mandated--for the Roman Catholic Church, the only church in the West at that time. But there were some exceptions, as others noted. Not for the clergy, but for
lay leaders, Monk Brendan said. I don't know whom he had in mind there because there were no woman eucharistic ministers or readers or even acolytes as there are today.

And the various Eastern churches that came over to Papal jurisdiction have married priests, as in Orthodox Eastern Christianity even to this day. But as for the priests and bishops of the Latin church, which is what I think you were referring to, celibacy was mandated after about a thousand years of married clergy being allowed as Scripture indicates it was in the early church.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 21, 2017

amariselle said:
As such I hope we can discuss the Scriptures I referred to respectfully.

Do you want to respect God, or mankind ? It is impossible to do both at once.

amariselle · Jul 21, 2017

Albion said:
Actually, it WAS mandated--for the Roman Catholic Church, the only church in the West at that time. But there were some exceptions, as others noted. Not for the clergy, but for
lay leaders, Monk Brendan said. I don't know whom he had in mind there because there were no woman eucharistic ministers or readers or even acolytes as there are today.

And the various Eastern churches that came over to Papal jurisdiction have married priests, as in Orthodox Eastern Christianity even to this day. But as for the priests and bishops of the Latin church, which is what I think you were referring to, celibacy was mandated after about a thousand years of married clergy being allowed as Scripture indicates it was in the early church.

I only meant to say, celibacy isn't mandated in Scripture.

amariselle · Jul 21, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Do you want to respect God, or mankind ? It is impossible to do both at once.

What are you referring to here?

Albion · Jul 21, 2017

amariselle said:
I only meant to say, celibacy isn't mandated in Scripture.

Right. I knew what you meant.

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