All the unforgivable, forsaken, fallen and utterly hopeless, king Sauls and Esaus.

left and forsaken · Jul 16, 2017

You know what I am talking about. There are people that receive the knowledge of truth, but turn away and fall... And fall... And fall... Until it is too late. Until Holy Spirit leaves them. Until their lampstand is taken away. Just like for Saul, Holy Spirit leaves them and an evil spirit comes in place. I'm talking about the false prophets, false christs, anti-christs, all the Esaus that have sold their birthright, all the Sauls that disobeyed the Lord and were left alone, all the Anais and Saphiras, Magus Simons, all the Judas. All the dogs and pigs. All the evil servants. All the worthless. All the ones who's Lord has already come and given their fair share with unbelievers. All the ones thrown out in the outer darkness. All the ones unable to repent, unable to find Lord again after all the rebellion and all the lies they have believed.

There must be people like that out there. Or am I the only one who feels like there is no more hope for him? Am I the only one who was deceived beyond belief, who has seen false signs and miracles that led him astray? Am I the only one that when there still was hope, gave up and only now realizes how foolish that was? Am I the only one to whom the Lord has made quite clear that the train has left and that is left kicking and screaming and pleading for Him to change His mind, to forgive, that hopes that all can change once again, after all Lord saved you once, once you felt utterly hopeless and you feel the same again, probably worse, but still... You still desire salvation, you still desire to be His, to be loved, to be a part of His family, but you know that He kind of despises you. His Spirit despises you. Maybe you want to go to a pastor, a church, seek Him... Maybe there still is a ray of light to find...you hope. But somehow you know that it probably isn't true. There is no hope left. You are living in constant torment. And it's just hard to understand... Why? Why am I made this way, why did I choose this? How could I be so foolish? Why is it that others have a heart to follow the Lord, why were they given a heart to follow Him, were you different or maybe you just didn't protect your heart..? Why did you have to be so foolish, so idiotic once again? How could you have hoped that God will forgive everything that you went so far as to commit the unforgivable? Why are you the way you are?

There are probably not many people like me. But if there is, I would like to hear from you. How do you deal with your situation? Do you still seek hope when you know that you are quite hopeless or have you accepted that you are hopeless and just live life?

brinny · Jul 16, 2017

left and forsaken said:
You know what I am talking about. There are people that receive the knowledge of truth, but turn away and fall... And fall... And fall... Until it is too late. Until Holy Spirit leaves them. Until their lampstand is taken away. Just like for Saul, Holy Spirit leaves them and an evil spirit comes in place. I'm talking about the false prophets, false christs, anti-christs, all the Esaus that have sold their birthright, all the Sauls that disobeyed the Lord and were left alone, all the Anais and Saphiras, Magus Simons, all the Judas. All the dogs and pigs. All the evil servants. All the worthless. All the ones who's Lord has already come and given their fair share with unbelievers. All the ones thrown out in the outer darkness. All the ones unable to repent, unable to find Lord again after all the rebellion and all the lies they have believed.

There must be people like that out there. Or am I the only one who feels like there is no more hope for him? Am I the only one who was deceived beyond belief, who has seen false signs and miracles that led him astray? Am I the only one that when there still was hope, gave up and only now realizes how foolish that was? Am I the only one to whom the Lord has made quite clear that the train has left and that is left kicking and screaming and pleading for Him to change His mind, to forgive, that hopes that all can change once again, after all Lord saved you once, once you felt utterly hopeless and you feel the same again, probably worse, but still... You still desire salvation, you still desire to be His, to be loved, to be a part of His family, but you know that He kind of despises you. His Spirit despises you. Maybe you want to go to a pastor, a church, seek Him... Maybe there still is a ray of light to find...you hope. But somehow you know that it probably isn't true. There is no hope left. You are living in constant torment. And it's just hard to understand... Why? Why am I made this way, why did I choose this? How could I be so foolish? Why is it that others have a heart to follow the Lord, why were they given a heart to follow Him, were you different or maybe you just didn't protect your heart..? Why did you have to be so foolish, so idiotic once again? How could you have hoped that God will forgive everything that you went so far as to commit the unforgivable? Why are you the way you are?

There are probably not many people like me. But if there is, I would like to hear from you. How do you deal with your situation? Do you still seek hope when you know that you are quite hopeless or have you accepted that you are hopeless and just live life?

Those you mention loved darkness better than light. They spurned and kicked dust in the face of grace, and the God Who offered this grace through His only begotten Son Who died, shedding His blood. They spurned His Son and His Son's Sacrifice. It's as if they walked up to the open door of grace and slammed it shut in the face of God.

What is it you are shedding tears about? God being slammed this way or the spurning of his bleeding, dying Son Who was shedding his blood for the very ones who were kicking dust in His face? What is it you are mourning?

There is an open door, still, as we speak. It's the door of grace. And as such, there is still HOPE.

It's still available to you, left and forsaken.

Praying for you.

Welcome to CF.

tturt · Jul 16, 2017

Welcoming you to the forums, too.

posted: "Do you still seek hope when you know that you are quite hopeless ..."
Though I completely understand this thinking but learned this - Are we saying that our sins/screw-ups carry more weight than Yahweh's forgiveness? Because His Word says "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (I John 1:9) and "... for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more (Jer 31:34).
Since He knows everything, that means once we've repented, He doesn't hold them against us (Rom 4:8).

posted: "All the ones unable to repent..." How many times does He forgive? In Matt 18:21-22, we'll to forgive others seventy times seven. Since this is how many times, we're to forgive others; how many times will He forgive us? Endless.

Also, Saul was chosen as king. But King Saul failed in Yahweh's sight because he didn't obey what God said and based his decisions on what the people desired instead of what Yahweh wanted. The fear of man contrast with the fear of the Lord. "The Lord of hosts—regard Him as holy and honor His holy name [by regarding Him as your only hope of safety], and let Him be your fear and let Him be your dread [lest you offend Him by your fear of man and distrust of Him" (Isa 8:13) Sauls' fear of man is shown "...And Saul said, Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, ..." "I thought..." "...I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice." I Sam 13 and 15.

Both Saul and David sinned and repented but Saul's heart was still to please the people. Even when Samuel told him plainly why God was rejecting him, "Saul said, I have sinned; yet honor me now, I pray you, before the elders of my people and before Israel, and return with me, that I may worship the Lord your God." While David's heart was about pleasing Yahweh by following Him, His word, His ways.

King Saul had the fear of man which is the opposite of the fear of The Lord. Defining the fear of God includes that we hold Yahweh in such high regard, respect and reverential awe that it is the deciding factor; we obey Him instead of following what man thinks or wants. Sometimes it's our own thinking that needs to change (Prov 9:10).

Truthfrees · Jul 16, 2017

left and forsaken said:
You know what I am talking about. There are people that receive the knowledge of truth, but turn away and fall... And fall... And fall... Until it is too late. Until Holy Spirit leaves them. Until their lampstand is taken away. Just like for Saul, Holy Spirit leaves them and an evil spirit comes in place. I'm talking about the false prophets, false christs, anti-christs, all the Esaus that have sold their birthright, all the Sauls that disobeyed the Lord and were left alone, all the Anais and Saphiras, Magus Simons, all the Judas. All the dogs and pigs. All the evil servants. All the worthless. All the ones who's Lord has already come and given their fair share with unbelievers. All the ones thrown out in the outer darkness. All the ones unable to repent, unable to find Lord again after all the rebellion and all the lies they have believed.

There must be people like that out there. Or am I the only one who feels like there is no more hope for him? Am I the only one who was deceived beyond belief, who has seen false signs and miracles that led him astray? Am I the only one that when there still was hope, gave up and only now realizes how foolish that was? Am I the only one to whom the Lord has made quite clear that the train has left and that is left kicking and screaming and pleading for Him to change His mind, to forgive, that hopes that all can change once again, after all Lord saved you once, once you felt utterly hopeless and you feel the same again, probably worse, but still... You still desire salvation, you still desire to be His, to be loved, to be a part of His family, but you know that He kind of despises you. His Spirit despises you. Maybe you want to go to a pastor, a church, seek Him... Maybe there still is a ray of light to find...you hope. But somehow you know that it probably isn't true. There is no hope left. You are living in constant torment. And it's just hard to understand... Why? Why am I made this way, why did I choose this? How could I be so foolish? Why is it that others have a heart to follow the Lord, why were they given a heart to follow Him, were you different or maybe you just didn't protect your heart..? Why did you have to be so foolish, so idiotic once again? How could you have hoped that God will forgive everything that you went so far as to commit the unforgivable? Why are you the way you are?

There are probably not many people like me. But if there is, I would like to hear from you. How do you deal with your situation? Do you still seek hope when you know that you are quite hopeless or have you accepted that you are hopeless and just live life?

it may feel like you are hopeless but that is not how God feels about you

Jesus came for the sick and the sinner : Matthew 9:11-13, Mark 2:17, Luke 5:32

i used to feel hopeless about myself until God quoted that scripture to me and told me i needed Him

that turned my thinking around

i realized i had been trying to live FOR God, instead of letting God live THROUGH me

Jesus said apart from Him we can do nothing : John 15:5

i had to learn how to do everything WITH God's help

that meant i had to talk to God about everything and walk with God through everything - getting His wisdom/strength/ability

i needed to learn how to do things through Christ's strength/energy/ability : Philippians 2:13, Philippians 4:13, Colossians 1:29

i can already see Philippians 2:13 at work in you - you already desire to do things the way God wants them done

your struggle is with actually doing it

that's where you, me, everyone, needs Christ in us living to God's glory : Colossians 1:27

so like many of us, you have found out your spirit is willing but your flesh is weak : Matthew 26:41, Mark 14:38

now all you need to do is go to Jesus in your time of need to find HIS help with your weak flesh : Hebrews 4:16

He will not send you away : John 6:37

in fact Jesus said come to Him and He would give you rest : Matthew 11:28-30

you are just like the rest of us - you need Jesus all day every day if you are going to walk as Jesus walked : 1 John 2:6, Galatians 5:16

God Bless you my dear friend

praying for you to start leaning on Jesus and His ability inside you, rather than your human ability

human ability always falls short

that is why Jesus said to wait for the Holy Spirit, so we can be empowered : Luke 24:49

BobRyan · Jul 16, 2017

left and forsaken said:
There are probably not many people like me. But if there is, I would like to hear from you. How do you deal with your situation? Do you still seek hope when you know that you are quite hopeless or have you accepted that you are hopeless and just live life?

You mentioned Judas. Consider two cases.

1. Judas - who for 30 pieces of silver walked up to Jesus - and said to the crowd "sure enough - that is Jesus". Judas - who rushes in to the courtroom and is the ONLY disciple crying out loud and clear - "He is innocent"!!

2. Peter - who for no silver at all stood in front of a crowd cursing and swearing and proclaiming "I don't know who he is".

Why then does Judas die and Peter live? one simple reason.

Satan come to each one of them - arguing "it is too late... you really goofed up this time... you can never go back"

ln response to Satan's argument one repents and falls upon God for mercy (thus thwarting Satan's plan for him) while the other gives up in despair and take his life - just as Satan planned..

The reason they sinned in the first place is that they chose to follow Satan not Christ in making this-or-that decision. The reason the "end" of that road ends up as success or failure is AGAIN because they choose to follow Satan's plan or-else Christ's plan.

You cannot even HAVE repentance without the Holy Spirit prompting you - so then no such thing as "I repented but God would not listen". Read Romans 3:12-19 and you will see that the sinful nature of man is not even inclined to repent. So if you feel conviction and the urge to repent - then "that is God calling". If you choose to follow the commands of Satan today in response to that calling just as in the past you chose to follow Satan's commands to sin - then you get "the same result...again".

Doing the same thing and expecting a "different result" is the sign of unbalanced thinking.

If you choose to tell Satan to "take a hike" that you are now done following Satan's commands - and then fall at the foot of the cross pleading for mercy -- you will (like the thief on the cross at the very last minute of his life) find help and mercy in time of need.

Satan's teaching, his command to you is always the same "dispaire and give up".

As long as Christ is still the "one mediator between God and man" 1 Timothy 2 and still in the Sanctuary of heaven as our High Priest 1 John 2:2 -- there is hope for you -- should you ever choose to tell Satan you are done doing it his way now.

paul1149 · Jul 16, 2017

The Bible warnings are indeed dire. Take Heb 6 for example. But the writer of Hebrews explicitly says he is writing as warning, not condemnation. He admits he is writing "in this manner" to stir them up in that regard. And if you follow his apparent theology out to its logical conclusion, you end with either favoritism by God or works salvation, neither of which is possible. The same writer goes on to say that the faith that pleases God is one that believes He is God (He is able to save) and that He rewards those who seek Him (He wants to save) (Heb 11.6). And finally he tells us that the heart is established by grace (13.9).

Over against the warnings are the promises. Jesus repeatedly tells people to have faith in God, that the things impossible to man are possible with Him. Paul gives the example of Abraham "hoping against hope", and he tells Timothy to do battle by means of the prophecies given to him. And Jesus over and over tells the churches they must overcome.

It is a spiritual battle. My counsel is not to give up. Keep seeking God, calling on His mercy. Don't be like Saul, who repeatedly confirmed his fate with evil actions. I don't want to get to heaven, only to find what I could have had if only I had believed.

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Romansthruphilemon · Jul 17, 2017

Romansthruphilemon · Jul 17, 2017

The audio for the video starts 47 seconds in to the video.

You have not committed the unforgivable sin. 2 Corinthians 5:19 God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Sketcher · Jul 17, 2017

It sounds like you need to re-read the parable of the Lost Son. The difference between him and the people you are describing is that he came back. If you confess and renounce your sins, God will forgive you. Period.

Kit Sigmon · Jul 18, 2017

You're 26 and divorced, your life isn't over or beyond repair/restoration.

King David repented of his great sin...Psalm 51.

Peter who denied the Lord three times, found forgiveness
and restoration from the risen Messiah(Christ).

Paul(formerly known as Saul) a pharisee, repented/came to faith in Christ.

A former pagan/idol worshiper comes to place her faith in God
forsakes her old life and finds new life in a new country...read
her story in the book in the Bible...Ruth.

Romansthruphilemon · Jul 18, 2017

FutureAndAHope · Jul 18, 2017

left and forsaken said:
You know what I am talking about. There are people that receive the knowledge of truth, but turn away and fall... And fall... And fall... Until it is too late. Until Holy Spirit leaves them. Until their lampstand is taken away. Just like for Saul, Holy Spirit leaves them and an evil spirit comes in place. I'm talking about the false prophets, false christs, anti-christs, all the Esaus that have sold their birthright, all the Sauls that disobeyed the Lord and were left alone, all the Anais and Saphiras, Magus Simons, all the Judas. All the dogs and pigs. All the evil servants. All the worthless. All the ones who's Lord has already come and given their fair share with unbelievers. All the ones thrown out in the outer darkness. All the ones unable to repent, unable to find Lord again after all the rebellion and all the lies they have believed.

There must be people like that out there. Or am I the only one who feels like there is no more hope for him? Am I the only one who was deceived beyond belief, who has seen false signs and miracles that led him astray? Am I the only one that when there still was hope, gave up and only now realizes how foolish that was? Am I the only one to whom the Lord has made quite clear that the train has left and that is left kicking and screaming and pleading for Him to change His mind, to forgive, that hopes that all can change once again, after all Lord saved you once, once you felt utterly hopeless and you feel the same again, probably worse, but still... You still desire salvation, you still desire to be His, to be loved, to be a part of His family, but you know that He kind of despises you. His Spirit despises you. Maybe you want to go to a pastor, a church, seek Him... Maybe there still is a ray of light to find...you hope. But somehow you know that it probably isn't true. There is no hope left. You are living in constant torment. And it's just hard to understand... Why? Why am I made this way, why did I choose this? How could I be so foolish? Why is it that others have a heart to follow the Lord, why were they given a heart to follow Him, were you different or maybe you just didn't protect your heart..? Why did you have to be so foolish, so idiotic once again? How could you have hoped that God will forgive everything that you went so far as to commit the unforgivable? Why are you the way you are?

There are probably not many people like me. But if there is, I would like to hear from you. How do you deal with your situation? Do you still seek hope when you know that you are quite hopeless or have you accepted that you are hopeless and just live life?

I know how you feel, I was in your situation some years ago. However I now know that I was being lied to by satan. There is no sin God will not forgive, if we are repentant. If you look at the cross of christ you will see that it is described in the following way "as it is appointed for man to die once so Christ died one to take away sin" - you will see the bible equates the cross of christ with a life time of sins. The cross covers all sins while we live. Hebrews 6 which you are quoting means that there is no repentance available if we ultimately and finally reject Christ to the point of death. We can not repent after the cross is no longer available, at the point we die in unbelief. Paul also said " there is a sin unto death, don't pray for it.. But if you see your brother sinning a sin not leading to death, pray for them to be restored". That verse essentually says if we sin to the point we physically die in it, we can't be forgiven, however if we sin but don't die God wants forgiveness for us.

LostChildinTheMidst · Jul 18, 2017

left and forsaken said:
You know what I am talking about. There are people that receive the knowledge of truth, but turn away and fall... And fall... And fall... Until it is too late. Until Holy Spirit leaves them. Until their lampstand is taken away. Just like for Saul, Holy Spirit leaves them and an evil spirit comes in place. I'm talking about the false prophets, false christs, anti-christs, all the Esaus that have sold their birthright, all the Sauls that disobeyed the Lord and were left alone, all the Anais and Saphiras, Magus Simons, all the Judas. All the dogs and pigs. All the evil servants. All the worthless. All the ones who's Lord has already come and given their fair share with unbelievers. All the ones thrown out in the outer darkness. All the ones unable to repent, unable to find Lord again after all the rebellion and all the lies they have believed.

There must be people like that out there. Or am I the only one who feels like there is no more hope for him? Am I the only one who was deceived beyond belief, who has seen false signs and miracles that led him astray? Am I the only one that when there still was hope, gave up and only now realizes how foolish that was? Am I the only one to whom the Lord has made quite clear that the train has left and that is left kicking and screaming and pleading for Him to change His mind, to forgive, that hopes that all can change once again, after all Lord saved you once, once you felt utterly hopeless and you feel the same again, probably worse, but still... You still desire salvation, you still desire to be His, to be loved, to be a part of His family, but you know that He kind of despises you. His Spirit despises you. Maybe you want to go to a pastor, a church, seek Him... Maybe there still is a ray of light to find...you hope. But somehow you know that it probably isn't true. There is no hope left. You are living in constant torment. And it's just hard to understand... Why? Why am I made this way, why did I choose this? How could I be so foolish? Why is it that others have a heart to follow the Lord, why were they given a heart to follow Him, were you different or maybe you just didn't protect your heart..? Why did you have to be so foolish, so idiotic once again? How could you have hoped that God will forgive everything that you went so far as to commit the unforgivable? Why are you the way you are?

There are probably not many people like me. But if there is, I would like to hear from you. How do you deal with your situation? Do you still seek hope when you know that you are quite hopeless or have you accepted that you are hopeless and just live life?

I cannot say I'm in the exact situation you're in. But I feel just like you. I have a chance but I don't take it. I'm just as stubborn as a donkey. I'm slowly becoming like all those people. I hate it. I wish my free will is to follow God but instead I don't want to repent. I don't understand why, but I'll pray for you and I.

LostChildinTheMidst · Jul 18, 2017

left and forsaken said:
You know what I am talking about. There are people that receive the knowledge of truth, but turn away and fall... And fall... And fall... Until it is too late. Until Holy Spirit leaves them. Until their lampstand is taken away. Just like for Saul, Holy Spirit leaves them and an evil spirit comes in place. I'm talking about the false prophets, false christs, anti-christs, all the Esaus that have sold their birthright, all the Sauls that disobeyed the Lord and were left alone, all the Anais and Saphiras, Magus Simons, all the Judas. All the dogs and pigs. All the evil servants. All the worthless. All the ones who's Lord has already come and given their fair share with unbelievers. All the ones thrown out in the outer darkness. All the ones unable to repent, unable to find Lord again after all the rebellion and all the lies they have believed.

There must be people like that out there. Or am I the only one who feels like there is no more hope for him? Am I the only one who was deceived beyond belief, who has seen false signs and miracles that led him astray? Am I the only one that when there still was hope, gave up and only now realizes how foolish that was? Am I the only one to whom the Lord has made quite clear that the train has left and that is left kicking and screaming and pleading for Him to change His mind, to forgive, that hopes that all can change once again, after all Lord saved you once, once you felt utterly hopeless and you feel the same again, probably worse, but still... You still desire salvation, you still desire to be His, to be loved, to be a part of His family, but you know that He kind of despises you. His Spirit despises you. Maybe you want to go to a pastor, a church, seek Him... Maybe there still is a ray of light to find...you hope. But somehow you know that it probably isn't true. There is no hope left. You are living in constant torment. And it's just hard to understand... Why? Why am I made this way, why did I choose this? How could I be so foolish? Why is it that others have a heart to follow the Lord, why were they given a heart to follow Him, were you different or maybe you just didn't protect your heart..? Why did you have to be so foolish, so idiotic once again? How could you have hoped that God will forgive everything that you went so far as to commit the unforgivable? Why are you the way you are?

There are probably not many people like me. But if there is, I would like to hear from you. How do you deal with your situation? Do you still seek hope when you know that you are quite hopeless or have you accepted that you are hopeless and just live life?

I have read this full passage. And to say I'm in the exact same position as you would be an understatement. Even though I might not be walking with the lord, I have a love for you as if you were my brother/sister. Because I understand what you are going through so much. But you are not like these people, you see-me? I might be. But you when I was reading your words. You sounded just like King David. King David sinned and when I read your words it reminded me so much of what David had said. Lemme give you some verses. Psalms 88:

O lord God of my salvation, I have cried day and night before thee:

2 Let my prayer come before thee: incline thine ear unto my cry;

3 For my soul is full of troubles: and my life draweth nigh unto the grave.

4 I am counted with them that go down into the pit: I am as a man that hath no strength:

5 Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand.

6 Thou hast laid me in the lowest pit, in darkness, in the deeps.

7 Thy wrath lieth hard upon me, and thou hast afflicted me with all thy waves. Selah.

8 Thou hast put away mine acquaintance far from me; thou hast made me an abomination unto them: I am shut up, and I cannot come forth.

9 Mine eye mourneth by reason of affliction: Lord, I have called daily upon thee, I have stretched out my hands unto thee.

10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.

11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?

12 Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?

13 But unto thee have I cried, O Lord; and in the morning shall my prayer prevent thee.

14 Lord, why castest thou off my soul? why hidest thou thy face from me?

15 I am afflicted and ready to die from my youth up: while I suffer thy terrors I am distracted.

16 Thy fierce wrath goeth over me; thy terrors have cut me off.

17 They came round about me daily like water; they compassed me about together.

18 Lover and friend hast thou put far from me, and mine acquaintance into darkness.

agapebondservant · Jul 21, 2017

left and forsaken said:
You know what I am talking about. There are people that receive the knowledge of truth, but turn away and fall... And fall... And fall... Until it is too late. Until Holy Spirit leaves them. Until their lampstand is taken away. Just like for Saul, Holy Spirit leaves them and an evil spirit comes in place. I'm talking about the false prophets, false christs, anti-christs, all the Esaus that have sold their birthright, all the Sauls that disobeyed the Lord and were left alone, all the Anais and Saphiras, Magus Simons, all the Judas. All the dogs and pigs. All the evil servants. All the worthless. All the ones who's Lord has already come and given their fair share with unbelievers. All the ones thrown out in the outer darkness. All the ones unable to repent, unable to find Lord again after all the rebellion and all the lies they have believed.

There must be people like that out there. Or am I the only one who feels like there is no more hope for him? Am I the only one who was deceived beyond belief, who has seen false signs and miracles that led him astray? Am I the only one that when there still was hope, gave up and only now realizes how foolish that was? Am I the only one to whom the Lord has made quite clear that the train has left and that is left kicking and screaming and pleading for Him to change His mind, to forgive, that hopes that all can change once again, after all Lord saved you once, once you felt utterly hopeless and you feel the same again, probably worse, but still... You still desire salvation, you still desire to be His, to be loved, to be a part of His family, but you know that He kind of despises you. His Spirit despises you. Maybe you want to go to a pastor, a church, seek Him... Maybe there still is a ray of light to find...you hope. But somehow you know that it probably isn't true. There is no hope left. You are living in constant torment. And it's just hard to understand... Why? Why am I made this way, why did I choose this? How could I be so foolish? Why is it that others have a heart to follow the Lord, why were they given a heart to follow Him, were you different or maybe you just didn't protect your heart..? Why did you have to be so foolish, so idiotic once again? How could you have hoped that God will forgive everything that you went so far as to commit the unforgivable? Why are you the way you are?

There are probably not many people like me. But if there is, I would like to hear from you. How do you deal with your situation? Do you still seek hope when you know that you are quite hopeless or have you accepted that you are hopeless and just live life?

Dear Truth Seeker ... I have a short study for you that will hopefully answer some of your valid questions ... briefly it can be described in this manner :

"If God could save everyone ... would He?

Who takes ultimate responsibility for the sin nature ... the Creator or the thing created?

Enjoy your journey of discovery dear friend!

this is not my name · Jan 25, 2019

Hey, has anyone here gotten this resolved?

Invalidusername · Jan 26, 2019

I am in the same situation. You are not alone. I was deceived in worldly wisdom and fell into sin again.

this is not my name · Jan 26, 2019

I sent you a message, if you want to message me. there is a group I am messaging. are you feeling separated utterly from Holy Spirit, or like you can't find repentance, or like you have, by your own folly, been given fully over to sin, to get more and more into sin, without conscience of any sin? or is it just the one sin that you are having trouble getting out of?

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