Can God be trusted?

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Fenhn said:

wow, lots of replies already :O

Ok my son was born with ecoli & Candida, severe re-flux until 18months (had to resuscitate him twice), Gut infections, cow milk allergy (not diagnosed till 4 months old), SIBO (Overgroth of bad bacteria on gutt forcing impossible diet), Seizure (damage to occipital lobe - centre for functional vision), Poor immunity & frequently ill due to bad gutt....then anxiety....and lastly, very little sleep (which made us monsters! to be constantly tired)

Yes Lucian, we have been to faith healers. It did not help...I truely believed it would and that disappointment hit me so hard it was unbelievable. The woman who worked for me - Her daughter died recently on the age of 10. Thats also after lots and lots of prayer of ''faith healers''. More disappointment.

Another Lazarus: No i dont understand. Sorry.

Bythespirit: Thanks for understanding. Sound like you have ben there. I dont even want to talk about autism...That worsens my problem and highlights that God is not God at all.

Dave G: You said: ''It's your will your adopted child be healed, you accepted him as is and went through with adoption anyway? '' Yes I did, but we fostered sick children before and I said to God - ''Because we cannot have children, I will NOT adopt if we get the same amount of problems. We already struggled for 10+ years to have our own and nothing, and then - BOOM, we get problem after problem....''
I got the very opposite of what I asked my heavenly dad. So now i'm like. Thanks God! Obviously you love sick children. God can heal them cant He? He should if He is good...
Yes I agree i am bitter. Very bitter, but then again, i can because God disappointed me and i just expect the very very very best from my Dad...

To me on my outlook on life, I always go to the root of anything....I cannot but blame God if His word says something & reality shows the truth. Then it's very obvious to me God is not honest with us, so howcome trust someone that is Himself not truthful? Then i cannot trust anyone. Makes me so angry.
Basically what makes me so angry is that I've been lied to. God says something & then i experience the very opposite (Which cant be proven wrong - experience is a historical fact - it happened. Its done & cant be argued)

Albion: Thank you. I hear what you are saying, but just brings more doubting questions....

Sanoy: Thanks, but i have to disagree. If God said to the disciples, go preach the gospel tp all the nation, he said it to us. If He said, baptize them, He said it to us. If he says, pray and ask, He meant us....If he said all those stuff to the disciples, then we cant take anything from the Bible as it was for them...and not for us.

Colter: Thank you, I am trying to be the best dad i can, but i'm failing miserably. I'm a wreck because my heavenly wasn't there for me or my son...so I will do the best i can.

Thank you all. Hope i havent missed questions

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Hi Fenhn,

I just want to respond to your response to Sanoy. I think this is the main reason why you are so angry with God. You should be angry with your church for teaching you that you are Israel. You are not an Israelite living in the time before the cross. If you have believed that Christ died for your sins, was buried, and rose again (and trust that for your salvation, without adding your works) you are a saved member of the body of Christ living in the dispensation of the grace of God (Ephesians 3:2).

Everything Christ told the 12 disciples was not intended for us. Consider what he told them in Mathew 10:5,6 Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not.

Then in Mathew 15:24 I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Paul confirms that Jesus' earthly ministry was to the Jews (circumcision) in Romans 15:8.

Jesus earthly ministry was to the Jews who were under the law. We can't take their doctrine directly and apply it to us. We can't take their promises, there not for us. We don't completely ignore the parts that are outside of Paul's epistles (those things written afore time were written for our learning) but we go to our Apostle, Paul, for our doctrine.

Consider what Jesus said in John 5:28 29 and compare it to what he told Paul to tell us in Romans 4:5, Ephesians 2:8,9 and Titus 3:5.

John 5:28, 29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There is no way that John 5:28, 29 can be our doctrine when you compare it to Romans 4:5, Ephesians 2:8,9 and Titus 3:5. John 5:28, 29 clearly shows faith plus works for eternal life and all the verses from Paul show that works are NOT required for eternal life, faith only.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Here is another example of doctrine that Jesus gave to the Jews that is different from what he gives to us through Paul: Mathew 6:14,15 compared to Ephesians 4:32.

Ma 6:14,15 For IF ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

There in Mathew 6 forgiveness (for the Jews at that time) is clearly conditional on them first forgiving other men. Now consider what Jesus told Paul to tell us in Ephesians 4:32

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tender hearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
This is completely different from the doctrine in Mathew 6 where forgiveness for the Jews was conditional. For us it's not conditional. Notice the past tense: even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Your church has convinced you that all the doctrine given to the 12 disciples, and promises to Israel, are for you. That is not working out so well for you, so consider this and do some study on it. I highly recommend truth time radio on YouTube and their website www.truthtimeradio.com for more information on helping to rightly divide the word of truth.

The disciples saw no contradiction when they faced persecution and hardship. They were thrown in jail, beaten, tortured, and many eventually murdered. Yet neither the author of Acts nor the disciples themselves saw any contradiction as they performed miracles and healed others, and sometimes miraculously escaped from prison, or thwarted mobs or great authorities. So the real question is why is it that in some cases God shows up miraculously, and in some cases he doesn't?

It is a good question, and I think we can be partially satisfied in acknowledging that the way God works is more complicated than is readily apparent.

But I think some guiding truths might help.

Here's your first option:

1. Sickness, Disease, and Death are God's Enemies. He is is in our corner, and working in his kingdom to alleviate the effects of sin in the world.

2. Because we know that God is in our corner, we know he wants to help us. If he doesn't, we know there must be some important reason. We do not understand it now, but once we see with a fuller perspective, next side of eternity, we'll understand why what we experienced was necessary.

3. Think about this: Your pain is all the more reason you should believe that things will be made right, and ultimate justice is necessary.

Here's your other option:

None of your lives matter. Your pain means nothing. There's no justice. No help. Your suffering is a joke. This is how it's going to end. Death wins.

Take your pick.

Fenhn said:

Tutorman, mannnn, I feel for you. Sorry to hear! Does this not question your believe that God is good?

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No it doesn't. God is our only hope, suffering is not a bad thing it is through suffering that we see how weak we as humans are just because God has not answered the way I want does not mean He is not listening. We see thrrough a glass darkly now but someday all will be made clear. It's not easy to live in this fallen world but here we live with full confidence that God helps when we need it most not when we want it.


When You don't move the mountains
I'm needing You to move
When You don't part the waters
I wish I could walk through
When You don't give the answers
As I cry out to You
I will trust, I will trust, I will trust in You

It's easy to trust when things go our way, it takes faith to trust when everything is falling apart. It is our suffering were character is built, it is through our weakness we are made strong.

Fenhn said:

If His will is not for my son to be well, how can he be good?

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I'll answer you. You won't like the answer, but it's true.

God's promise of all things is a promise that IF you put up with all of the crap and terrible things of this life, in this fallen world filled with diseases, evil and demons, and you keep following Jesus - not "believing in him" - belief is not the point, doing what he said to do is the point, THAT is following Jesus - then when you die you will escape all of this misery and live in Paradise - the Garden of Eden - until the end of the world when God's City comes down to a new earth. Then you will be resurrected into a new body, a better one, and walk through one of the twelve gates into the great City of God, to live with God.

THEN you will have your reward.

Here? Well, sometimes he will intervene and help. If he wants to. Whether or not he has a purpose in it, or simply does it because it pleases him to do so (the Israelites/Hebrews/Jews certainly didn't deserve any special treatment from God - they were PARTICULARLY stubborn and disobedient people, and God said so, many times. He favored them anyway because it pleased him to do so, to keep a promise to some men God liked a lot more than he liked the Hebrews/Israelites/Jews.

Often he won't specially intervene. After all, the regular operations of the laws of physics, including biology, illness and death, are ALSO all direct expressions of God's will and his opinion.

Those who think that reading words out of a book they call Holy will be able to bind God, that God will behave on cue, always head for a fall, because God just not subject to the opinions of men - even if he is reported to have said thus and so at some time in the past. When Jesus said "Pray and you shall receive", the reader reads "you" and thinks "Me!" But where is it written that Jesus did not only mean the person to whom he was directly speaking at the time? Peter, for example, or John?

When the Bible is read optimistically it sure feels great. But then when God doesn't act as expected that can cause a crisis of faith. This is because the faith was misguided. God is real - and that means we all die. God kills everybody. The promise of all good things is only really reliable in the afterlife.

Vicomte13 said:

God kills everybody.

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I think people do a good enough job dying on their own.

Vicomte13 said:

The promise of all good things is only really reliable in the afterlife.

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The verses people take to mean that sort of thing could be systematically misunderstood.

Fenhn said:

Petros2015: Thank you. I’m unsure if this is a trial, but I can assure you my character sucks. I don’t think much of myself. Not a good person at all, so building my character will be the hardest ever.


Dave G: If children are a gift, (as I also believe), why do we get broken gifts? Yes I know the fall of man brought sin etc etc, but isn’t God higher than this all? Isn’t He someone who can fix or heal a little baby? Why will a good God give us a broken gift and expect us to be happy? That’s not good at all?


Thanks for sharing about the young man.


Romansthruphilemon: What a long name ! Ok, so this tells me none of the Bible is to us as we were not there and we r not Israel or the disciples or any of those characters…So why do we have a Bible?


Thanks, but Jesus took all the authority back…Now nothing belongs to satan, so God should heal 1. Because He has that authority 2. Because it’s his will? 3.Because He is good. To me


Dave G- your next post: Difficult if I did not ask for it & when I scream for help & my dad did and does not care. A good dad doesn’t ignore his son. I’ve been trying for 3 years now to start over, but difficult to forgive God. God shouldn’t be forgiven in the 1st place as He says He can’t sin, but that’s not the truth in my experience.

The whole reason why I’m sharing this on a public forum is because I need help. I know it & I don’t know how. I don’t care & haven’t cared for a few years now that I die, as I really couldn’t care less. The One who I trusted, has let me down. AGAIN. I realised I expected way to much of God & wont expect anything from Him in the future.


SeventyOne: I might not sound like a son anymore. Why? Disappointment upon disappointment. Bitterness & lots and lots of pain.

Not sure if you read my post completely….’’If you ask ANYTHING in my name, it WILL be done’’ – No conditions. That’s a promise from God Himself. Also, ‘’By his stripes, we ARE healed. That’s a fact, so we should be healed when we take His authority should we?


Disciple of Jesus: If I say that to a person who lies in hospital, he is free to go out & I know he will die, what freedom is that?

So whats the purpose of Jeremiah in the Bible? Shouldn’t be in the bible then if it isn’t for us as well.

Yes sicknesses might be there because of how people live, but when I’m asking for help & God couldn’t care less, what does that say of Him? Not much.


Thanks for understanding as well. See, to me I look at reality & if it doent reflect what God says, theres a problem. Reality is reality & it’s a fact.


Tutorman, mannnn, I feel for you. Sorry to hear! Does this not question your believe that God is good?

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Hi Fenhn,

I have a 3 year old daughter who is allergic to nearly all food. I completely understand the trauma involved, EPIC journey, time and energy resources drained!

We have recently found what we believe will turn our lives around, Nutritional Balancing. We've followed the nutritional balancing guidelines with the help of a nutritional balancing doctor/naturopath and found great improvement. Our daughter had symptoms of autism as recently as a few weeks ago and within only a short time she now appears to most people as healthy and normal!!! The only difference at present is her diet which, over time, will become more "normal".

Strongly encourage you to look into it.

Hoping your family life becomes easier and more relaxed over time,

Peace.

PhantomGaze said:

I think people do a good enough job dying on their own.



The verses people take to mean that sort of thing could be systematically misunderstood.

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They could indeed be systematically misunderstood. But if that is so, the disappointment comes years from now in a place we cannot see.

The problem with reading the text as meaning that God will make your life great in the here and now is that he probably won't, and then the disappointment is right here, right now.

Vicomte13 said:

They could indeed be systematically misunderstood. But if that is so, the disappointment comes years from now in a place we cannot see.

The problem with reading the text as meaning that God will make your life great in the here and now is that he probably won't, and then the disappointment is right here, right now.

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I think what makes one's life "great" in the sense of our experience of it is a perspective shift not necessarily any empirical alteration of our situation. In the words of John Milton:

The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven

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We see this actually reflected in the lives of the disciples.

But that's a side note.

I think an important point is that the verse about God's providence in Matthew 7 has to be taken in context with the rest of the book. In Matthew 6, we see a similar theme with context. Matthew 6:33 "But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you." He's not talking about great wealth here, but basic necessities. What he appears to be saying is that God will give you the tools you need to build his kingdom. Not that everything will go well for you, but he'll provide for your needs. Similarly I think Matthew 7 is meant in this context... as chapter demarcations are artificial. I believe these verses should still give us a semblance of comfort and security, but I would say that you are definitely right in that it leads to disappointment when they are grossly misinterpreted to mean God will give you what you want when you want it for whatever reasons you want. That's just absurdity.

Fenhn said:

Not sure where to post this, but feel free to move it to the correct place.

Firstly I want to say that I'm sorry if I will offend you, but this thing is eating me up and I cannot keep this inside. I'm searching for answers and trying to cope with my unmanageable frustration and anger, so in this post I will say things how it is and how I see it and won't sugar coat anything, so please bare with me.

God made us and we had no choice in it. The is no free will like everyone is claiming to have. We did not not ask to be here and many did not ask to be born dead or born with problems or a terrible disadvantage.

There is a verse that says "I have formed you in your mothers womb..." This to me shows God created every single person, which includes some people with disabilities/problems. So it must be His will. He made them that way. That for a start angers me because that shows God is not a God of perfection. People with mental illnesses, Alzheimer's etc etc did not ask for that either, and regardless how much we pray, God will not heal them.

3 years ago, we adopted a boy with LOTS of health problems. We prayed till we were blue in the face, took authority, but nothing happened. The church prayed with us and still nothing happened. Healing seminars dis not help. Regardless how we've prayed against "satans work" in authority, problems remained. That tells me God liked it that way. He created him like that.

Doesn't the Bible say " If a sons asks for fish, will his dad give him a snake?" Yep. And my heavenly dad could not care less of giving us that very thing he said he won't. We didn't get a snake. We didn't get anything! We only asked for healing. Was that too much to ask for?

The Bible says: " Ask anything and my name and WILL give it to you." That is a promise! So God doesn't keep His own promises. That's very sad because that's the very thing that breaks my trust in someone that claims to be perfect and trustworthy. I'm not talking about asking God for a Ferrari or nice house. I'm asking something out of the word of God. Gods will. If His will is not for my son to be well, how can he be good? If sick people stay sick & no prayer helps, no one can be blamed but God as He is the only only who can fix this, isn't He?

I'm sorry but I can't trust a God that doesn't keep His own word and expects us to keep His rules that He is not keeping Himself.

For 3 years I've been in this terrible state of mind and there is no one that could help me. (God included)

I want answers as I'm a SON. I should be able to ask my dad anything and expect Him to answer.

Maybe I expect waaaaaay to much of my heavenly Dad. Always always disappointed!!

I can definitely say God will not come through for everyone. He hasn't for me.

Thank you
Fenhn

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You seem to have received some good advice already.

Try not seeing your situation as a son, but as a father. Put yourself in the "shoes" of Father watching His Son in the Garden of Gethsemane. He knows what you are going through. I was given this insight when my son was diagnosed with cancer at age 10. It was humbling and also a powerful experience.

Remember, our King wore a crown of thorns while here on earth. He never promised us a rose garden here on earth.

Don't give up on prayer. Just change your approach. Humble yourself before an Almighty God. Surrender to His Will no matter what that may be which takes rock solid trust in His work.

Also sometimes our prayers are answered and we don't "access" the given vessels. God left us His church our brothers and sisters in Christ to shoulder each other's burdens.

So my advice is to visit Gethsemane in light of the Father saw His Son Jesus Christ.

ByTheSpirit said:

I completely understand where you are coming from in this, I do!

My two oldest children (8, 7) are autistic and I cannot tell you how many days and nights I have cried over them and wondered why God would do that to them and do that to me and my wife. It hurts it does, so I will not diminish your pain. I know it is real. I have also lost 2 children. So trust me when I say I know where you are coming from.

I trust God because my faith in him dictates that he can do NOTHING wrong. Between me and him, he is perfectly right in all he does and I can do nothing right without him.

Now for clarification, it does not mean I have my questions. Nor does it mean I doubt from time to time, but faith is supposed to go beyond the visible, natural realm. Faith is what we stand on.

I have often wondered (usually with great harm to myself) Why I must ask God so persistently for answers. I tell him that me being a father, if my children want something I am there immediately to help them, so why must I keep asking for something that he is supposed to want me to have.

Actually just recently (literally within 2 days) I got upset at him because my water was about to get shut off due to nonpayment and I have been praying and fasting for an answer for a few weeks now. But no answer came. Then the night before he told me to ask a family member to help which for me is usually a BIG no, because that takes a lot of pride swallowing. Especially being a 30-some yr old male, I shouldn't have to ask and beg, but here I was. And they did.

Point being that God will show up, but he will do it according to his plan (which as stated) is perfect. He is not obligated nor bound to the same timeline that we have nor perceive. He stands above time and space and as such can see our present and our future. We need to trust him that when the answers don't come that they will and that he is in control.

It is hard. I know it is hard. My prayers are with you. My heart goes out to you, as a parent of 2 deceased children and 2 special needs children, my heart hurts right now just speaking to you about this. But God still loves you. He still is able. Don't lose sight of Him nor your faith.

May Yahweh bless you and keep you.
May Yahweh make his face shine upon and be gracious to you.
May Yahweh turn his face towards you and give you peace.

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May the grace and peace of our Lord Jesus Christ comfort your family.

Fenhn said:

Not sure where to post this, but feel free to move it to the correct place.

Firstly I want to say that I'm sorry if I will offend you, but this thing is eating me up and I cannot keep this inside. I'm searching for answers and trying to cope with my unmanageable frustration and anger, so in this post I will say things how it is and how I see it and won't sugar coat anything, so please bare with me.

God made us and we had no choice in it. The is no free will like everyone is claiming to have. We did not not ask to be here and many did not ask to be born dead or born with problems or a terrible disadvantage.

There is a verse that says "I have formed you in your mothers womb..." This to me shows God created every single person, which includes some people with disabilities/problems. So it must be His will. He made them that way. That for a start angers me because that shows God is not a God of perfection. People with mental illnesses, Alzheimer's etc etc did not ask for that either, and regardless how much we pray, God will not heal them.

3 years ago, we adopted a boy with LOTS of health problems. We prayed till we were blue in the face, took authority, but nothing happened. The church prayed with us and still nothing happened. Healing seminars dis not help. Regardless how we've prayed against "satans work" in authority, problems remained. That tells me God liked it that way. He created him like that.

Doesn't the Bible say " If a sons asks for fish, will his dad give him a snake?" Yep. And my heavenly dad could not care less of giving us that very thing he said he won't. We didn't get a snake. We didn't get anything! We only asked for healing. Was that too much to ask for?

The Bible says: " Ask anything and my name and WILL give it to you." That is a promise! So God doesn't keep His own promises. That's very sad because that's the very thing that breaks my trust in someone that claims to be perfect and trustworthy. I'm not talking about asking God for a Ferrari or nice house. I'm asking something out of the word of God. Gods will. If His will is not for my son to be well, how can he be good? If sick people stay sick & no prayer helps, no one can be blamed but God as He is the only only who can fix this, isn't He?

I'm sorry but I can't trust a God that doesn't keep His own word and expects us to keep His rules that He is not keeping Himself.

For 3 years I've been in this terrible state of mind and there is no one that could help me. (God included)

I want answers as I'm a SON. I should be able to ask my dad anything and expect Him to answer.

Maybe I expect waaaaaay to much of my heavenly Dad. Always always disappointed!!

I can definitely say God will not come through for everyone. He hasn't for me.

Thank you
Fenhn

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Before I get to the core of the problem here, I would begin by designating to you that the Scriptures are clear that the reason we suffer physical ailments is because the creation has been subjected by God to frustration on account of sin (Romans 8:20-21). Additionally, Jesus did promise us that we would have trouble in this life, and that our peace was not to come from our present circumstances in the flesh but in the knowledge that He has redeemed all sin and suffering in Himself, in His own suffering for our redemption on the cross (suffering you would do well not to forget while you're enduring your own or observing someone else who is) for all who repent and put their faith in Him (John 16:33, Hebrews 12:1-14). I would encourage you, though not insensitively or ignorantly, with the fact that Jesus also declared that people born in certain conditions were born the way they are so that God's power can be displayed in their life, in whatever way He will reveal that (John 9:3).

But all of this will only be an encouragement if you trust His Word and proceed confidently in it. This brings us to your core issue that is causing you this unnecessary trouble in your spirit: You do not trust God, though you know what He says. So I will logically address this issue in a way that should explicate to you the absolute trustworthiness of God, that, if you grasp, should certainly relinquish any doubts you have about the veracity of God's declarations of Himself.

Since God created us, the universe that surrounds us and everything extrinsic to Himself, everything in all existence derives it's being from God in its entirety. This includes the entity inside of our flesh we call the brain, which was created to be our fleshly device by which we process our thoughts, emotions and the world around us in our mental interactions with it. This brain in which we contain all of our cognitive capacities and functions was provided by God all of its abilities, not only in its range of apprehensions of truths but also in its ability to apprehend categories of truth.

What I mean by ranges of apprehension is our brains capacity to be used to process information at certain speeds, the amount of information our brain can hold simultaneously, how efficient our thought processes are, how much access we have to our subconscious, etc.; our quantitative abilities. What I mean by categories of apprehension is what we can apprehend to exist at all, which we can extend the range of our capacities through to apprehend knowledge about such matters. To provide an example, the range of our cognitive capacities concerning moral truths would be applied to discriminating between events and actions to determine the moral quality of those events and actions. Our cognitive capacity of categoricalapprehension of truth in this instance would be the ability to understand that their even is a moral realm to apprehend at all.

Thus, God is the comprehensive source of our apprehensions, and if God wanted to deceive us, being the designer of our cognitive functions and capacities in their entirety, He would not even have to try. All God would have to do to deceive humankind is provide them cognitive capacities so limited that they would be absolutely unable to apprehend His deception if He were to flaunt His malevolent motives before their eyes all day long. So what you have to ask yourself is this: If God wanted to deceive me, why would He provide me the cognitive ability to discriminate between truth and falsehood with such accuracy that I would be able to discover His deception? The truth is, doubt exists for only two reasons: Ignorance and free agency. Either we are simply lacking in knowledge and unable to understand why God is abundantly worthy of our absolute trust, or we simply choose to deny Him and His testimony. This decision or ignorant response of doubt never results from rational investigation.

In summary, God is the author of the same cognitive functions that we must use to doubt Him or impose our perspectives onto His creative decree (how we think things ought to be), wholly by the use of the tools provided by His decree of our minds. When you consider this, it should occur to you that there is literally no more of an absurd use of our minds than to use them against the one who constituted them, to doubt what He has revealed of Himself or the perfection of His will.

Dear Fenhn. God made us in His image, and Jesus died for us. God is Love, and God wants loving and caring sons and daughters. Jesus told us in Matthew 22: 35-40: The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself." In verse 40 we are told: On these two Commandment hang all the Law and the Prophets.
The Bible tells us: give up all our selfish and unloving living, Love God and Jesus, who died for us, and love our neighbour as we love ourselves. That is straightforward and easy to remember. In Matthew 7: 7-10: we are told: Ask and you shall receive." We ask God for Love, then thank God and share all love and joy, and compassion, with our neighbour: all we know and we meet. Jesus our Saviour will lead us all the way: Jesus is THE WAY. Just remember Fenhn, Love God and love our neighbour. God will Bless us and keep us in His Love. Let us start to be as God wants us to be, let us be the sons and daughter which God wants. Love is very catching. I say this with love, dear Fenhn. Greetings from Emmy, your sister, let us trust God as He is to be trusted in Christ.

Tutorman said:

I lost my fur daughter (kitty) this past Monday and both me and my wife prayed our hearts out that she would be healed and even in my Church my Priest prayed for her with the whole congregation yet like I said Monday she passed and we are heartbroken. I have been in a wheelchair with Cerebral Palsy all my life and can't do a whole lot for myself and once again my parents prayed, Church prayed, practically everyone I know prayed for me. Guess what I am still in a wheelchair. My Parents were sick and dying, prayed and they are still in Heaven and I could give so many more examples even now I know that God could never answer my prayers and I still know He is God. As Scriptures say:

Though he slay me, I will hope in him



Job 13:5 ff ESV

You can search the whole Bible and see that following God is the hardest thing to do and there is no easy path, no easy answers sometimes, and no answered prayer because God has a plan and what we want may not always coincide with what God wants. It's our faith and trust that will see us through. One more thing the gentlemen who wrote it is well with my soul lost his whole family just prior to writing that, sure we may have pain and heartache but we were never promised an easy prosperous life .

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I'm very sorry for your loss. May He ease your pain in this matter, Amen

Hi, Fenhn, I can feel your disppoint and pain. I've had experiences in this life that I hated with a vengeance and wondered how much God would allow in my life. I thought it would be a relief to die. But I would never kill myself because I still loved God and didn't want my family to suffer another tragedy. I'm still here. Now instead of asking God to make everything wonderful, I ask Him to continue to give me strength. I pray for His will to be done instead of mine.

2 Corinthians 12
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

I hope you can find His peace and love in your life. We have special needs children in our family. My daughter has taught children with multiple disabilities, and now her daughter is in college hoping to do the same.

Romans 8
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Romansthruphilemon said:

Hi Fenhn,

I just want to respond to your response to Sanoy. I think this is the main reason why you are so angry with God. You should be angry with your church for teaching you that you are Israel. You are not an Israelite living in the time before the cross. If you have believed that Christ died for your sins, was buried, and rose again (and trust that for your salvation, without adding your works) you are a saved member of the body of Christ living in the dispensation of the grace of God (Ephesians 3:2).

Everything Christ told the 12 disciples was not intended for us. Consider what he told them in Mathew 10:5,6 Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not.

Then in Mathew 15:24 I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Paul confirms that Jesus' earthly ministry was to the Jews (circumcision) in Romans 15:8.

Jesus earthly ministry was to the Jews who were under the law. We can't take their doctrine directly and apply it to us. We can't take their promises, there not for us. We don't completely ignore the parts that are outside of Paul's epistles (those things written afore time were written for our learning) but we go to our Apostle, Paul, for our doctrine.

Consider what Jesus said in John 5:28 29 and compare it to what he told Paul to tell us in Romans 4:5, Ephesians 2:8,9 and Titus 3:5.

John 5:28, 29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There is no way that John 5:28, 29 can be our doctrine when you compare it to Romans 4:5, Ephesians 2:8,9 and Titus 3:5. John 5:28, 29 clearly shows faith plus works for eternal life and all the verses from Paul show that works are NOT required for eternal life, faith only.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Here is another example of doctrine that Jesus gave to the Jews that is different from what he gives to us through Paul: Mathew 6:14,15 compared to Ephesians 4:32.

Ma 6:14,15 For IF ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

There in Mathew 6 forgiveness (for the Jews at that time) is clearly conditional on them first forgiving other men. Now consider what Jesus told Paul to tell us in Ephesians 4:32

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tender hearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
This is completely different from the doctrine in Mathew 6 where forgiveness for the Jews was conditional. For us it's not conditional. Notice the past tense: even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Your church has convinced you that all the doctrine given to the 12 disciples, and promises to Israel, are for you. That is not working out so well for you, so consider this and do some study on it. I highly recommend truth time radio on YouTube and their website www.truthtimeradio.com for more information on helping to rightly divide the word of truth.

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So, you're completely denying continuationism?

Lucian Hodoboc said:

So, you're completely denying continuationism?

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Hi Lucian,

What I'm saying is that there have been huge changes after the cross and that these changes in doctrine are only revealed to us by the Apostle Paul. Paul said in Romans 16:25, 26 that it was kept secret since the world began but now is made manifest.

Most sermons you hear today are 90 to 95% out of Mathew, Mark, Luke, John, and James with maybe 5 to 10% from Paul. It's upside down - should be just the opposite.

Jesus told the 12 Apostles (Paul was not there) go not into the way of the Gentiles. He also said I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. In his earthly ministry he was only dealing with the Jews who were under the law. Paul confirms this in Romans when he said Jesus Christ is a minister of the circumcision.

The doctrine that Paul reveals to us is not just a continuation of the old program. It's not just a few refinements and minor adjustments with the doctrine. It's a whole new program. It's the Ephesians 3:2 dispensation of the grace of God.

Romansthruphilemon said:

Hi Lucian,

What I'm saying is that there have been huge changes after the cross and that these changes in doctrine are only revealed to us by the Apostle Paul. Paul said in Romans 16:25, 26 that it was kept secret since the world began but now is made manifest.

Most sermons you hear today are 90 to 95% out of Mathew, Mark, Luke, John, and James with maybe 5 to 10% from Paul. It's upside down - should be just the opposite.

Jesus told the 12 Apostles (Paul was not there) go not into the way of the Gentiles. He also said I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. In his earthly ministry he was only dealing with the Jews who were under the law. Paul confirms this in Romans when he said Jesus Christ is a minister of the circumcision.

The doctrine that Paul reveals to us is not just a continuation of the old program. It's not just a few refinements and minor adjustments with the doctrine. It's a whole new program. It's the Ephesians 3:2 dispensation of the grace of God.

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Firstly, you avoided answering my question. Secondly, there are Christians who consider Paul to be a questionable apostle because some of his teachings contradict Jesus' teachings.

Lucian Hodoboc said:

Firstly, you avoided answering my question. Secondly, there are Christians who consider Paul to be a questionable apostle because some of his teachings contradict Jesus' teachings.

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That's because they won't accept dispensations, soon as you understand that, it changes everything. And Paul was taught for three years by Jesus supernaturally. Pauls ministry is not to the Jews specifically but the gentiles, in the church age, under the dispensation of grace ( post cross, actually mid Acts and up to today). It's a very clear teaching and once you get it, it's like someone turned on a big light bulb.

Ya know Lucian, all my life i felt like there was a missing link in my understanding of the Christian faith. First it was Paul but more importantly nothing was fitting together till I leaned of that grace dispensation and hearing of "rightly dividing", as I said it was as if a big light bulb got turned on. It was the answer I needed all my life. Don't get caught up in religious traditionalism, it won't ever totally add up because it wasn't meant for us to live that ( know of it yes, but not live it). And so they take the parts of Paul they like, like 1 Corinthians 13 and dump the rest, saying he was a heretic. When nothing could be further from the truth. And we either want to know the truth or we don't.

Another Lazarus said:

I have been in the worse condition than you are for many many years but why would i blame God ?

Dont you understand that God rely on people like you to raise the problematic boy because you are given a chance to do it in your short life to glorify God and your deed will be rewarded and glorifed by God even until the end of times when you are already in another realm. Cant you see God is actually inside the boy ? Do it for God and not for your family welfare, even thats what God wants to see from you.

Its not easy to bear that cross.

The beautiful song in this video is about a woman persecuted by her neighbourhood yet she bears the cross strongly.
The song begins at 3:55 Mutharaba (sufferings)

The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

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That is such a beautiful encouragement, Another Lazarus.

I remember a time before I understood about carrying a cross for Jesus when i ran to a church that was known to have the presence of God and I fully expected God to heal and fix every problem in my life. It was like I had a laundry list to give to Him to fix everything on the list for me. I was comforted in His presence to be sure, but when nothing tangible changed, and my life was still like an ongoing tragedy, I went home from one particular meeting one night, very unhappy, thinking that well, logically, there must be no God. I mean He is supposed to be here, but here I still have all these problems. But the next morning I woke up still believing in spite of myself....that was HIS faith, HIS spirit in me, not of my own. Mercifully.

I had to learn the very important lesson first of all, that HE is God, not me, that I exist to serve Him, He doesn't exist to serve me. So I had to humble myself and surrender to His will, and acknowledge, Lord, not my will, but thine be done. And even then it was some time before I understood that we are not to be surprised at the painful trial, that we have a cross to carry for Him, that He chastises who He loves as sons in order that we might partake of His holiness, and that who falls on the Rock will and must be broken. There are things in our fallen nature that have to be killed off or broken in order that we might partake more and more of the nature of Christ. It is also likened in scripture to being on the Potter's wheel as He molds and makes us into His image. And also like a furnace where ore is turned into gold, where the dross is burned away, until only the pure gold remains and the craftsman can finally see His reflection in what comes to the surface when the heat is on.

So I just want to encourage our dear brother here, that in God's way of looking at and doing things, for the believer, having our heart broken means that He IS at work in our life, rather than meaning He isn't. Over time we learn to endure patiently (patience also means persistence) and then the day will come when we will start to see the fruit, and though weeping remains for the night, joy will come in the morning. He wants to be glorified in the midst of trials, not just in removing them....as we learn by experience that His grace is sufficient. Keep seeking the Lord, cast your cares on Him because He cares for you (took me a long time to realize that means to cry on His strong shoulders)........search and read the scriptures prayerfully, through Christ they are a source of comfort, strength and instruction. May the Lord bless and uphold you.