Revealing Times
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John saw a VISION in Heaven that was akin to Genesis 37:9. We see the very same thing in Revelation chapter 15 but no one is trying to pass it of as an Astrological sign.I also think that Revelation 12 is historical. But it's talking about two things at once. Not really a dual prophecy but a prophecy with a "sign" embedded within the text. The sign appears "in heaven".
"And a great sign appeared in heaven
Revelation 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
So is John seeing future Stars aligned or just VISIONS....According to Chapter 15 here its just Visions. A sign on the road tells you something right? Speed limit 55, don't cross here, no passing etc. etc. These are telling John things, thus they are SIGNS UNTO HIM !! I saw a sign/VISION and here is what it tells me, Seven Angels had Seven Vial of Gods Wrath in their hands and they were ready to pour them out. Likewise the Sign in chapter 12 was an indication that the Woman was Israel, who gave birth to the SEED Jesus Christ (male-child) etc. etc.
And if this is correct, then it means something else might be on the way that we don't yet see. Because it talks about a second sign:
"And another sign appeared in heaven:
behold, a great red dragon,
Again, these are just past events, told to hide the Real Prophecy being about Israel, Jesus and Satan. Rome at the time would have seen any mention of Israel being protected by God as Sedition/Treason, and they would have come against the Churches of that time even harder than they already were. Israel is never mentioned in Revelation.
The Prophecy is about an End Time Event, the Abomination of Desolation happens and Israel Flees unto the wilderness.
I don't think this is like horoscopes or getting my "chart" done. There's a difference between astronomy and astrology. This is not the work of Satan, can he bind the chains of the Pleiades, or loose the cords of Orion? Lucifer wouldn't want us to know when the Lord is near. He would rather it spring on us like a trap.
Look up the Planets involved, they are all associated with Astrology. If you are looking to the Stars for something that has already come to pass then you are looking in the wrong place. I saved all of these points, and Venus, Goddess of Love, in Astrology. Jupiter: Planet of Luck.
Its Astrology if one is looking to the skies to READ THE STARS.
"And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years,
A sign tells us something, or guides us. The North star and other stars are NAVIGATION TOOLS, and always has been. Of course the Sun, Moon and Stars are used even today for SEASONS....AND DAYS.....AND YEARS. That is what it meant.
“Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion?
Benson Commentary
Job 38:31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades? — Generally understood of the seven stars, which, rising about the time of the vernal equinox, bring in the spring. Canst thou restrain or hinder their influences? Or loose the bands of Orion? — By which it binds up the air and earth, rising in November, and bringing in the winter, attended with storms of rain and hail, or frost and snow.
See note on Job 9:9. Whatever be the meaning of the words rendered Pleiades and Orion, the sense of which is disputed among the learned; by the former, (chimah) we are to understand the sign which appears in the heavens at the spring of the year: and by the latter, (chesil) the sign which presents itself when the season is cold and severe: and the plain interpretation of the passage is, Is it in thy power to hinder either the mild or the rigid seasons of the year from making their regular appearance? Both summer and winter will have their course; God indeed can change them when he pleases, can make the spring cold, and so bind the influences of Pleiades and the winter warm, and so loose the bands of Orion, but we cannot.
“Can you lead forth a constellation in its season, And guide the Bear with her satellites?
Matthew Henry
38:25-41 Hitherto God had put questions to Job to show him his ignorance; now God shows his weakness. As it is but little that he knows, he ought not to arraign the Divine counsels; it is but little he can do, therefore he ought not to oppose the ways of Providence. See the all-sufficiency of the Divine Providence; it has wherewithal to satisfy the desire of every living thing. And he that takes care of the young ravens, certainly will not be wanting to his people. This being but one instance of the Divine compassion out of many, gives us occasion to think how much good our God does, every day, beyond what we are aware of. Every view we take of his infinite perfections, should remind us of his right to our love, the evil of sinning against him, and our need of his mercy and salvation.
Its seems to only be God questioning Job about questioning Him, by revealing to Job that He (God) is of course the Creator of all things, even the constellations in the skies.
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