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How does a Christian sin? Goodness me my friend, you should know from your own experience! But, to help, let's look at how James explains it -

Jas 1:14-15: "...each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death."

If you believe you are sinless then these verses won't apply to you.
Because He has not yet received the glorified body yet. Read Romans 7, where Paul struggles with sin. In Galatians 6, the flesh raging war against the spirit, and the spirit raging war against the flesh. This is the constant battle the Christian facing until he/she receives the glorified body.
 
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As you say, sin is the transgression of the law. The believer is dead to a law of righteousness, the law itself did not get abolished. So the Christian commits sin by transgressing the law.

Count yourself as dead to sin/ the flesh.

As all Christians at times follow after the flesh, for none are perfect, we need to understand what is meant.
Count yourself as dead to the flesh/ sin in regard to not seeking to serve it/ follow after it
Being freed from the curse of the Law. Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
So by union in Christ, we receive his perfect righteousness. Romans 10:4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
In Him, we can perform good works, because (Colossians 3:3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. So we walk according to Spirit, not the flesh. We put on love, and practice righteousness, and avoid doing evil everyday. Knowing that even as believers, when we fall and sin, that Christ died for those sins TOO!


What is Sanctification?

According to the Westminster Shorter Catechism (Q. 35), sanctification is “the work of God’s free grace, whereby we are renewed in the whole man after the image of God, and are enabled more and more to die unto sin, and live unto righteousness.” It is a continuing change worked by God in us, freeing us from sinful habits and forming in us Christ-like affections, dispositions, and virtues. It does not mean that sin is instantly eradicated, but it is also more than a counteraction, in which sin is merely restrained or repressed without being progressively destroyed. Sanctification is a real transformation, not just the appearance of one.

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God calls His children to holiness, and graciously gives what He commands.

The basic meaning of “sanctify” is to set apart to God, for His use. But God works in those whom He claims as His own to conform them “to the image of his Son” (Rom. 8:29). This moral renovation, in which we are increasingly changed from what we once were, flows from the agency of the indwelling Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:13; 12:1, 2; 1 Cor. 6:11, 19, 20; 2 Cor. 3:18; Eph. 4:22–24; 1 Thess. 5:23; 2 Thess. 2:13; Heb. 13:20, 21). God calls His children to holiness, and graciously gives what He commands (1 Thess. 4:4; 5:23).

Regeneration is birth; sanctification is growth. In regeneration, God implants desires that were not there before: desire for God, for holiness, and for glorifying God’s name in the world; desire to pray and worship; desire to love and bring benefit to others. In sanctification, the Holy Spirit “works in you, both to will and to work” according to God’s purpose, enabling His people to fulfill their new, godly desires (Phil. 2:12, 13). Christians become increasingly Christlike, as the moral profile of Jesus (the “fruit of the Spirit”) is progressively formed in them (2 Cor. 3:18; Gal. 4:19; 5:22–25).

Regeneration is a momentary act, bringing a person from spiritual death to life. It is exclusively God’s work. Sanctification is an ongoing process, dependent on God’s continuing action in the believer, and consisting of the believer’s continuous struggle against sin. God’s method of sanctification is neither activism (self-reliant activity) nor apathy (God-reliant passivity), but human effort dependent on God (2 Cor. 7:1; Phil. 3:10–14; Heb. 12:14). Knowing that without Christ’s enabling we cannot do good works, but also that He is ready to strengthen us for all we have to do (Phil. 4:13), we “abide” in Christ, asking for His help constantly— and we receive it (Col. 1:11; 1 Tim. 1:12; 2 Tim. 1:7; 2:1).

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Regeneration is birth; sanctification is growth.

The standard to which God’s work of sanctifying His saints is directed is His own revealed moral law, expounded and modeled by Christ Himself. Christ’s love, humility, and patience are a supreme standard for Christians (Rom. 13:10; Eph. 5:2; Phil. 2:5–11; 1 Pet. 2:21).

Believers find within themselves contrary urgings. The Spirit sustains their regenerate desires and purposes, but their fallen instincts (the “flesh”) obstruct their path and drag them back. The conflict of these two is sharp. Paul says he is unable to do what is right, and unable to restrain himself from doing what is wrong (Rom. 7:14–25). This conflict and frustration will be with Christians as long as they are in the body. Yet by watching and praying against temptation, and cultivating opposite virtues, they may through the Spirit’s help “put to death” particular bad habits (Rom. 8:13; Col. 3:5). They will experience many particular deliverances and victories in their battle with sin, while not being exposed to temptations that are impossible to resist (1 Cor. 10:13).









 
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Being freed from the curse of the Law. Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
So by union in Christ, we receive his perfect righteousness. Romans 10:4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
In Him, we can perform good works, because (Colossians 3:3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. So we walk according to Spirit, not the flesh. We put on love, and practice righteousness, and avoid doing evil everyday. Knowing that even as believers, when we fall and sin, that Christ died for those sins TOO!


What is Sanctification?

According to the Westminster Shorter Catechism (Q. 35), sanctification is “the work of God’s free grace, whereby we are renewed in the whole man after the image of God, and are enabled more and more to die unto sin, and live unto righteousness.” It is a continuing change worked by God in us, freeing us from sinful habits and forming in us Christ-like affections, dispositions, and virtues. It does not mean that sin is instantly eradicated, but it is also more than a counteraction, in which sin is merely restrained or repressed without being progressively destroyed. Sanctification is a real transformation, not just the appearance of one.

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God calls His children to holiness, and graciously gives what He commands.

The basic meaning of “sanctify” is to set apart to God, for His use. But God works in those whom He claims as His own to conform them “to the image of his Son” (Rom. 8:29). This moral renovation, in which we are increasingly changed from what we once were, flows from the agency of the indwelling Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:13; 12:1, 2; 1 Cor. 6:11, 19, 20; 2 Cor. 3:18; Eph. 4:22–24; 1 Thess. 5:23; 2 Thess. 2:13; Heb. 13:20, 21). God calls His children to holiness, and graciously gives what He commands (1 Thess. 4:4; 5:23).

Regeneration is birth; sanctification is growth. In regeneration, God implants desires that were not there before: desire for God, for holiness, and for glorifying God’s name in the world; desire to pray and worship; desire to love and bring benefit to others. In sanctification, the Holy Spirit “works in you, both to will and to work” according to God’s purpose, enabling His people to fulfill their new, godly desires (Phil. 2:12, 13). Christians become increasingly Christlike, as the moral profile of Jesus (the “fruit of the Spirit”) is progressively formed in them (2 Cor. 3:18; Gal. 4:19; 5:22–25).

Regeneration is a momentary act, bringing a person from spiritual death to life. It is exclusively God’s work. Sanctification is an ongoing process, dependent on God’s continuing action in the believer, and consisting of the believer’s continuous struggle against sin. God’s method of sanctification is neither activism (self-reliant activity) nor apathy (God-reliant passivity), but human effort dependent on God (2 Cor. 7:1; Phil. 3:10–14; Heb. 12:14). Knowing that without Christ’s enabling we cannot do good works, but also that He is ready to strengthen us for all we have to do (Phil. 4:13), we “abide” in Christ, asking for His help constantly— and we receive it (Col. 1:11; 1 Tim. 1:12; 2 Tim. 1:7; 2:1).

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Regeneration is birth; sanctification is growth.

The standard to which God’s work of sanctifying His saints is directed is His own revealed moral law, expounded and modeled by Christ Himself. Christ’s love, humility, and patience are a supreme standard for Christians (Rom. 13:10; Eph. 5:2; Phil. 2:5–11; 1 Pet. 2:21).

Believers find within themselves contrary urgings. The Spirit sustains their regenerate desires and purposes, but their fallen instincts (the “flesh”) obstruct their path and drag them back. The conflict of these two is sharp. Paul says he is unable to do what is right, and unable to restrain himself from doing what is wrong (Rom. 7:14–25). This conflict and frustration will be with Christians as long as they are in the body. Yet by watching and praying against temptation, and cultivating opposite virtues, they may through the Spirit’s help “put to death” particular bad habits (Rom. 8:13; Col. 3:5). They will experience many particular deliverances and victories in their battle with sin, while not being exposed to temptations that are impossible to resist (1 Cor. 10:13).
Yep, freed from the curse of the law for:
Christ is the end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS( not full stop) for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

I will skip the Westminster confession bit
 
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Because He has not yet received the glorified body yet. Read Romans 7, where Paul struggles with sin. In Galatians 6, the flesh raging war against the spirit, and the spirit raging war against the flesh. This is the constant battle the Christian facing until he/she receives the glorified body.
Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves , you are slaves to the one whom you obey, whether slaves to sin which leads to death, or to obedience which leads to righteousness
Rom6:16

We know that the law is spiritual, but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin
Rom7:14

Is Paul condemning himself in7:14, bearing in mind what he wrote in 6:16?
 
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I cannot say for certain, who can, as only God knows for sure. Scripture verses can probably support each side of the question. However, I believe that Christians should err on the side of caution. It seems prudent to assume that we can lose our salvation. If we are wrong, we have lost nothing. However, if we insist that we cannot lose our salvation and it turns out that this position is indeed wrong, then we potentially have much to lose - namely, our eternal destiny......
 
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I cannot say for certain, who can, as only God knows for sure. Scripture verses can probably support each side of the question. However, I believe that Christians should err on the side of caution. It seems prudent to assume that we can lose our salvation. If we are wrong, we have lost nothing. However, if we insist that we cannot lose our salvation and it turns out that this position is indeed wrong, then we potentially have much to lose - namely, our eternal destiny......
There is scripture verses that support both sides of the argument, you are right.
Does the Bible contradict itself, or, are different verses written for different people?
 
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Yep, freed from the curse of the law for:
Christ is the end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS( not full stop) for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

I will skip the Westminster confession bit

I see you bold out "UNTO". So here for more clarification.

1 Cor. 1:30It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”d
 
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Yes, I know where you stand. And you know where I stand. God did not save us, and leave us stranded halfway. I showed you a passage where Christ said,

John 6:37All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

I don't want to be redundant here. But can you expound on these passages. People who believe they can lose their salvation, then HAVE TO been consistent, and say that Christ was not sufficient to save anyone; follow? This statement that Christ makes above is He mission to accomplished His Father's will. And what is His Father's will?

Here is another passage in John 4:31Meanwhile the disciples were urging him, saying, “Rabbi, eat.” 32But he said to them, “I have food to eat that you do not know about.” 33So the disciples said to one another, “Has anyone brought him something to eat?” 34Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to accomplish his work.

Christ secures our Salvation at the Cross. And nobody can undo what Christ finished at the Cross! BTW, Christ's final words on the Cross before He died, was, "IT IS FINISHED"! Glorious good news for the ungodly!

Here is the Scriptures to read:

Jesus' words, "It is finished," appears only twice in the New Testament--John 19:28 and John 19:30.

"After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), 'I thirst.' A jar full of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on a hyssop branch and held it to his mouth. When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, 'It is finished,' and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." (John 19:28-30, emphasis added).

Salvation is of the Lord (Jonah 2:9)
Sorry but are you addressing me or someone else?
 
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Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves , you are slaves to the one whom you obey, whether slaves to sin which leads to death, or to obedience which leads to righteousness
Rom6:16

We know that the law is spiritual, but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin
Rom7:14

Is Paul condemning himself in7:14, bearing in mind what he wrote in 6:16?

How are we sold as a slave to sin?
 
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I see you bold out "UNTO". So here for more clarification.

1 Cor. 1:30It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”d
I bolded unto righteousness, for some mistakenly believe the law itself got abolished. But the heart of the law will not and cannot be abolished. For God will not abolish the fact he wants you to love him with all your heart, body, soul and mind. He will not abolish the fact he doesn't want you to lie, murder, steal, commit adultery etc. That law got transferred from tablets of stone to tablets of human hearts( 2cor3:3)
 
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How are we sold as a slave to sin?
Please answer the question. Don't simply ask another question.
In rom6:16 Paul states if we are slaves to sin it leads to death.
In 7:14 he states he is sold as a slave to sin. Is he condemning himself?
And if not, why isn't he?
 
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Because He has not yet received the glorified body yet. Read Romans 7, where Paul struggles with sin. In Galatians 6, the flesh raging war against the spirit, and the spirit raging war against the flesh. This is the constant battle the Christian facing until he/she receives the glorified body.
Yes, we will always have the flesh to deal with but we do not remain under the power of sin. You quote from Rom. 7 but do not see the ending nor the next Chapter. In Rom. 7:24-25 Paul tells us that he is delivered/rescued from his body of death and Rom. 8:4 tells us that through the Spirit we can FULLY meet God's righteous requirements.

Paul was a highly sanctified man and that is why we are told to imitate him as he imitates Jesus. Paul didn't remain a struggling sinner by any means. Check out 1 Cor. 11:1 and Phil. 4:9 in which God lifts Paul up as our example to follow (after Jesus of course).
 
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Pauls core message can be summed up in the following:

For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace
Rom6:14

Is sin the master of someone who:

Does not do what they want to do, but that which they hate they keep on doing

They have the desire to do what is good but cannot carry it out.

They do not do the good they want to do, but rather the evil they do not want to do, this they keep on doing
 
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Sorry but are you addressing me or someone else?
You, because you said you believe we can still lose our Salvation. And I provide Jesus's mission to do His Father's will. Will you respond to it?
 
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I bolded unto righteousness, for some mistakenly believe the law itself got abolished. But the heart of the law will not and cannot be abolished. For God will not abolish the fact he wants you to love him with all your heart, body, soul and mind. He will not abolish the fact he doesn't want you to lie, murder, steal, commit adultery etc. That law got transferred from tablets of stone to tablets of human hearts( 2cor3:3)

I am glad to read that people do believe that we need to fulfill the Law. Thanks for that. I am not being condescending, but 100% agree with you. The Law holds us in bondage because it demands Perfect Righteousness, correct? I hope you agree with this. In Galatians Paul says makes it clear that we cannot perfectly fulfill the Law. Why, because we are already condemned law breakers in Adam.

Galatians 3:10For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

And the Law requires perfect righteousness, without a single blemish of sin. This is why Christ became a curse for us. This is why Christ came to fulfill the Law, not to abolish it.

Matt. 5:17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.

Christ also condemned sin in the flesh for us. Because this was the sentence we fell into in Adam. So the Second Adam came to restore us, and save us from sin, by becoming a curse for us.

Romans 8:3For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin he condemned sin in the flesh,
 
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Please answer the question. Don't simply ask another question.
In rom6:16 Paul states if we are slaves to sin it leads to death.
In 7:14 he states he is sold as a slave to sin. Is he condemning himself?
And if not, why isn't he?

I am asking to get clarification. Will you answer the question? Before I answer your questions?
 
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Yes, we will always have the flesh to deal with but we do not remain under the power of sin. You quote from Rom. 7 but do not see the ending nor the next Chapter. In Rom. 7:24-25 Paul tells us that he is delivered/rescued from his body of death and Rom. 8:4 tells us that through the Spirit we can FULLY meet God's righteous requirements.

Paul was a highly sanctified man and that is why we are told to imitate him as he imitates Jesus. Paul didn't remain a struggling sinner by any means. Check out 1 Cor. 11:1 and Phil. 4:9 in which God lifts Paul up as our example to follow (after Jesus of course).

Thank you, we are not under the power of sin anymore! But we still have the pollution of sin. But we have been sanctified, and are being sanctified!
 
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39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

Yes, it was God's will that none given to Jesus be lost but John 17:12 says that one given to Him was lost.

1 Tim. 2:4 says it is God's will that all men be saved but that will not happen. God's will, in this context, means His desire.

I don't want to be redundant here. But can you expound on these passages. People who believe they can lose their salvation, then HAVE TO been consistent, and say that Christ was not sufficient to save anyone; follow?

Christ's death was sufficient to save all of mankind. Salvation loss comes from the failure of a believer to continue in faithfulness, as the parable in Luke 12:42-46 so clearly shows.

34Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to accomplish his work.

Amen, and He did accomplish God's work.

Christ secures our Salvation at the Cross. And nobody can undo what Christ finished at the Cross! BTW, Christ's final words on the Cross before He died, was, "IT IS FINISHED"! Glorious good news for the ungodly!

Our salvation was not secured at the cross. It was secured when we repented and believed and remains secure as we walk in the light. On the cross, Jesus made provision for our forgiveness through repentance.

By the way, when Jesus said, "IT IS FINISHED", He was merely referring to the completion of His earthy work. He said it right after He had fulfilled the final prophecy about Himself. Note that His full work for the redemption of mankind was not completed until He had offered His blood on the mercy seat in heaven. When He said, "IT IS FINISHED", He was merely talking about the completion of His earthly work and fulfillment of prophecy - John 19:28-30. He had to complete His work in the heavenly tabernacle before He could say that His full work of redemption was finished.

God bless,
Mick
 
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As you say, sin is the transgression of the law.

The believer is dead to a law of righteousness, the law itself did not get abolished.

You'll need to explain how the Law of Righteousness relates to the Christian, owing to the fact, this is the only place where (The Law of Righteousness ) is mentioned in the Bible.

Rom. 9:31
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

So the Christian commits sin by transgressing the law.

The Christian is not under the Law but under Grace. Rom. 6:14
How then does the Christian, who is dead to the Law, transgress the Law? Rom.7:4, Gal. 2:19

Count yourself as dead to sin/ the flesh.

Scripture says, we are dead to sin and the flesh.
Rom. 6:2,7,11 Rom.6:6, Gal.2:20

As all Christians at times follow after the flesh, for none are perfect, we need to understand what is mean
Count yourself as dead to the flesh/ sin in regard to not seeking to serve it/ follow after it

Don't you get it, you, the Believer, the Born Again Christian is
dead to the Law, dead to sin, dead to the flesh?

1 Jn. 3:8-10
8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purposethe Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10) In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Be Blessed
 
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