My YEC Evidence Challenge

Kylie said:

They can show it and they have shown it.

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Sure, but they never post! You post claiming they know. Circular.

The fact that I do not have the expertise to do it myself is irrelevant. It's like saying computers can't exist because I can't make a microchip in my kitchen.

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What you claim existed in the far past has nothing to do with anything real we see in any room on earth.

Yeah, we tried that once, having religion in charge. It was called the Dark Ages for a reason.

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Religion? Evolution is religion.

Aman777 said:

No, but it's easy for you too to make a model of Adam's Flat Earth. Find a container and put water in the bottom of the container. Then put dry ground on top of the water. Voila, its a picture of Adam's Flat Earth as described in Genesis 1:9-10. Adam's world was miles in diameter so your Alka-Seltzer would NOT destroy it. God Bless you

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Sorry I was being flippant.

I'd be interested to know which bible verses support this novel concept of a flat earth floating on water that was later destroyed by the Noachian Flood.

And more importantly: why is this explanation necessary? Is it necessary to maintain a literal interpretation of the Bible by addition to the Bible of other information not on evidence?

Kylie said:

There are many Christians who view the creation accounts as metaphorical, not literal. My husband is one of them.

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Jesus wasn't.

AV1611VET said:

I know chess players that believe in deep time.

How does that make them play any better?

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If you don't necessarily understand geology that's fine. Not everyone does. You can take classes at a local university (probably on line now). You can learn geology if you like. No one is keeping you from doing so.

Kylie said:

Projection.

You claim there is no content in my posts simply because there is none in yours.

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Don't blame others.

Obliquinaut said:

(First off, many petroleum geologists are Christians. And they believe in "Deep Time". Just sayin').

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They didn't get it from the bible or Jesus. People believe in all sorts of fairy tales.

Obliquinaut said:

If you don't necessarily understand geology that's fine. Not everyone does. You can take classes at a local university (probably on line now). You can learn geology if you like. No one is keeping you from doing so.

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You can go to a library and hear readings of Hans Christian Anderson also.

dad said:

Says who!? Why stop there? How about saying the first four words of the bible tell the entire story? Ridiculous.

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Genesis chapter One is the entire HISTORY of God's 6 Creative Days including events which will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns. Gen 1:28-31

*** Newsflash: any hidden truths will not negate or contradict the story. Nor would any such claimed hidden gems matter to the story in a way we need to claim Noah lived under a lake and aDAM WAS BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD, AND MANKIND HAD SEX WITH A PLANET OF APES...ETC.

I know, so why don't you quit promoting those ideas which you twisted?

*** He said He rested, so get over it.

False, since he said He rested from ALL of His work of creating. Gen 2:2-3 This means that His creation has been brought to perfection, which is the ONLY time a perfect God would cease/rest from ALL of His creating.

*** Of course He is still working today and He worked before creation week, and He will work next week I assume. So?

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from ALL his work which He had made. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

Just explain the ALL if you think you can. God Bless you

Aman777 said:

Here is Scriptural proof that the Creation continues which you cannot refute. Tell us WHEN in the past, ALL living creatures were vegetarians, including Bears and Lions. You cannot because this prophecy, at the end of the present 6th Day, is FUTURE to 2017.

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

The prophecy of Lions and Bears becoming vegetarians is AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at Armageddon, is more than a thousand years BEFORE the 7th Day. Amen?

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What cows will do in the future actually has nothing to do with creation week's events.

Aman777 said:

FYI, Today remains the 6th Creative Day and it will continue until the 3rd Heaven is filled with ALL of its "host". Then and only then will we enter the 7th Day, which is Eternity.

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (Heb-brought to perfection) and ALL the host of them.

Do you believe that the present world has been "brought to perfection" especially since many thousands of innocent babies will starve to death in the next 24 hours? God's Creation of the perfect Heaven continues, no matter how many godless scientists and other unbelievers try to convince us that we have no hope. God Bless you

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This doesn't address my concerns for the paucity of evidence for YEC

Aman777 said:

Genesis chapter One is the entire HISTORY of God's 6 Creative Days including events which will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns. Gen 1:28-31

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The mornings and evenings were over when the days were over. Other subsequent days have nothing to do with the specific days of creation.

I know, so why don't you quit promoting those ideas which you twisted?

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You claimed man had babies with 'prehistoric' beings, You claimed mankind was under a lake. You claimed Adam lived billions of years. Etc. Wear it.

False, since he said He rested from ALL of His work of creating. Gen 2:2-3 This means that His creation has been brought to perfection, which is the ONLY time a perfect God would cease/rest from ALL of His creating.

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Says you. He said He rested! He never said He died and never did anything else ever again.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from ALL his work which He had made. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

Just explain the ALL if you think you can. God Bless you

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Easy. All that was just created and talked about and recorded.

Kylie said:

How arrogant of you to think that I have not done this. Let me tell you, I have. I got nothing. It is the height of arrogance to think that anyone who tries the thing you believe MUST reach the same conclusion as you, because it shows that you are incapable of considering that you might actually be wrong.

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What God teaches us as we mature, is to be patient. You have not left this Earth yet, so there is still time for God to act. Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. God Bless you

Obliquinaut said:

You can take classes at a local university (probably on line now).

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Ain't gonna happen, chief.

If geology contradicts the Bible, geology can take a hike.

dad said:

The mornings and evenings were over when the days were over. Other subsequent days have nothing to do with the specific days of creation.

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The "Days" continue. Haven't you noticed that the 7th Day has NO morning and NO evening. That's because it's Eternity, which has no beginning and no end. It's God's rest. Don't you want to enter His rest?

*** You claimed man had babies with 'prehistoric' beings,

The sons of God were prehistoric people who were created and brought forth from WATER on the 5th Day Gen 1:21. They are "THEIR" kinds or the kinds created by God the Trinity. Humans are HIS kinds or the temporary kinds created by the Hands of Jesus. Gen 2:7 In order to be created eternally, Humans MUST be born again by the Trinity in order to be saved. Gen 1:26 and John 14:16

Don't you know that today's Humans are a combination of His and Their kinds? You should since I have posted Scripture before and you have NOT been able to refute a single jot nor tittle of God's Truth. Read Gen 6:1-4

***You claimed mankind was under a lake.

I said Adam's firmament was in the midst or middle of water and that water totally surrounded it. Gen 1:6-8 Today, the firmament is at the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey in the mountains of Ararat, not mankind, unless they are dead.

*** You claimed Adam lived billions of years. Etc. Wear it.

Adam was made on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 before the plants herbs and rain and he lived until some 12,000 years ago. Gen 5:5 Since the Big Bang was also at the end of the 3rd Day AND today remains the 6th Day, Adam lived for more than 3 Days in God's time and BEFORE the Big Bang in man's time. Can you refute me Scripturally? Of course not but only in your own unsupportable view.

*** Says you. He said He rested! He never said He died and never did anything else ever again.

Scripture says God rested (Heb-ceased) on the 7th Day which is future UNLESS you can show us a Bear or Lion vegetarian.

*** Easy. All that was just created and talked about and recorded.

Chapter and verse which you cannot produce. God Bless you

AV1611VET said:

Ain't gonna happen, chief.

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So you are saying you WILL NOT LEARN something because there might be a case that you hear something that might contradict the Bible?

If geology contradicts the Bible, geology can take a hike.

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Seems like you have already simply decreed that it will so you aren't even going to learn it.

I bet you take Atheists to task when they misinterpret the Bible owing to a lack of reading it, dontcha?

dad said:

You can go to a library and hear readings of Hans Christian Anderson also.

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LOL! That's rich. What do YOU know about geology?

But thanks for playing!

dad said:

They didn't get it from the bible or Jesus. People believe in all sorts of fairy tales.

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You are making a logic error. They didn't get it from the Bible but they are still Christians just the same! (Unless YOU are Jesus who sits at the Right Hand of the Father to come to judge the quick and the dead. Are you Jesus?)

Obliquinaut said:

So you are saying you WILL NOT LEARN something because there might be a case that you hear something that might contradict the Bible?

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If I didn't want to hear anything that contradicted the Bible, I wouldn't have come here.

Obliquinaut said:

Seems like you have already simply decreed that it will so you aren't even going to learn it.

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Here are my Boolean standards:

1. Bible says X, science says X = go with X
2. Bible says X, science says Y = go with X
3. Bible says Ø, science says Y = go with Y
4. Bible says Ø, science says Ø = speculate

Obliquinaut said:

I bet you take Atheists to task when they misinterpret the Bible owing to a lack of reading it, dontcha?

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I usually correct them ... yes.

That way they can be profitable.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Obliquinaut, who is that guy in your avatar?

AV1611VET said:

If I didn't want to hear anything that contradicted the Bible, I wouldn't have come here.

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Yet you defiantly said it wasn't going to happen that you learn geology.

Here are my Boolean standards:

1. Bible says X, science says X = go with X
2. Bible says X, science says Y = go with X
3. Bible says Ø, science says Y = go with Y
4. Bible says Ø, science says Ø = speculate

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There's really only 2 booleans here

IF bible says something it is correct
IF bible is silent on something you can rely on other sources of information.

I usually correct them

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And yet you do not wish to learn that which others correct you on?