My YEC Evidence Challenge

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Your confusion is caused by the fact that you don't understand that the FIRST 34 verses of Genesis tell the ENTIRE History of God's Creation,
Says who!? Why stop there? How about saying the first four words of the bible tell the entire story? Ridiculous.

What it shows is the Supreme Intelligence of God. He wrote His Truth and put it in front of the world for 3k years knowing that it would be misunderstood, by EVERYONE except the people of the last days, which are finally here. When you realize this, you will ALSO see that EVERY verse in the Bible refers BACK to one of the 7 Days/Ages of the Creation shown in the first 34 verses of Genesis. The 7th Day is ETERNITY since it won't happen until Jesus has ruled and reigned for a thousand years on this Planet, and then BURNED our Cosmos. ll Peter 3:10
Newsflash: any hidden truths will not negate or contradict the story. Nor would any such claimed hidden gems matter to the story in a way we need to claim Noah lived under a lake and aDAM WAS BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD, AND MANKIND HAD SEX WITH A PLANET OF APES...ETC.

There is NO end of God's creation until it is made perfect. God would NOT be God if he rested BEFORE His perfect creation was made perfect.
He said He rested, so get over it.

He is STILL working today to save sinners and make them perfect in Christ, Spiritually. God Bless you
Of course He is still working today and He worked before creation week, and He will work next week I assume. So?
 
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With the possible exception of the order of creation vs the order that life actually showed up on the earth
No. You seem to assume all life could fossilize in the former nature? How would you know what showed up?
Fruit bearing trees ("Day 3") on land before the sun ("Day 4)? Birds before land animals? Nope and nope.
Yes. Plants before the sun. Birds before animals. Science has nothing to say about it.

Do God fearing Christians ever get tired of heaping hatred and scorn on things they don't like? I mean you are certainly free to disagree with science or fail to believe it, but you guys like to gild the lilly so to speak. So far on CF I've heard

1. Science is pigheaded
What you thought they were open minded?

2. Scientists sell their souls to satan
3. Scientists work for the Devil
Not from me. I do think they are generally limited in knowledge on creation issues though.
4. Science is fraudulent
It is on the origins claims.
5. Scientists lie
If they are people, they lie!
6. Scientists will falsify data as a matter of course to get more money (greedy)
Hire one for a climate case and see if each scientist on each side agrees!

I'm reminded of a book many Christians on here don't seem to read much: Matthew 7:1
If people tell the truth fine. When they preach to children that God did not really create and the bible is a lie...well, who would trust kids with them?
 
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No. You seem to assume all life could fossilize in the former nature?

Well they were part of the former nature. I mean that's kind of what "former" means.

Yes. Plants before the sun. Birds before animals. Science has nothing to say about it.

Actually it does. You may not like what it says. But science does have something to say. The same science that gives the oil you use to drive your car and heat your home!

Not from me.

Correct, but from at least one other Christian on CF. I see many Christians heap so much hatred and scorn I'm wondering what part of Christianity that arises from.

(I think I know, but well, you know...gotta play like I don't know. ;) )
 
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Well they were part of the former nature. I mean that's kind of what "former" means.
Yes, many of the now fossilized creatures did live in the former nature. But former does not mean same nature. It means the laws and nature and forces that existed long ago here. In that former nature, which the bible indicates wad DIFFERENT (and science doesn't know either way) it is likely that most life on earth could not fossilize...just some creatures for whatever reasons. So the fossil record is only of the creatures that could fossilize! Absence of fossils in that record for man and other animals does not mean they were not here! It just means you used the wrong tool to try and determine what life existed.

Actually it does. You may not like what it says. But science does have something to say. The same science that gives the oil you use to drive your car and heat your home!
Show us how actual useful science has anything to do with the religious faith based godless nonsense stories and claims that the so called sciences make on origins?

Correct, but from at least one other Christian on CF. I see many Christians heap so much hatred and scorn I'm wondering what part of Christianity that arises from.
The part that loves truth and hates lies and evil?
(I think I know, but well, you know...gotta play like I don't know. ;) )
Not sure what you thought you knew. Unless you post it, I suppose we can all guess.
 
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Their god is different.

I'm talking about the 30,000 different sects of Christianity that supposedly exists.

And you'd think a divinely inspired text would be so open to interpretation.

No.

I'm say the object of their faith is Jesus.

Ah, so then all the different sects of Christianity are irrelevant, you just gotta believe in Jesus?
 
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You chose the opinion people do know, but can never show how, and admit you can't.

They can show it and they have shown it. The fact that I do not have the expertise to do it myself is irrelevant. It's like saying computers can't exist because I can't make a microchip in my kitchen.

Blind faith in blind men. We get it.

And once again we see that all you have is a bunch of insults. If the best argument you have for your position is a bunch of insults against any disagreeing position, then your position must be pretty weak.

Better to allow the truth and light of God, and also admit man actually doesn't know. You just thought he did.

Yeah, we tried that once, having religion in charge. It was called the Dark Ages for a reason.
 
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Of course I read it. Did you read Genesis 1:21 which stated that ALL life was created and brought forth from WATER? Now, tell us how ancient men knew that...if you can.

I can tell you.

And if you'd actually bothered to pay attention and READ my posts, you'll be aware that I have already done so, back in post 1100, where I said"

"Those people lived in the desert. You really think it was hard for them to see how important water was for life? It would have been painfully obvious that life needs water, but here you are thinking that the only way they could have known that was if they heard it from God."​

You won't find it since godless science hides its ignorance, lest anyone see how much they must bluff in order to keep the parishoners of the religion of Evolism, in line.

Of course, it's all a big conspiracy.

Perhaps you can tell me how you know that science had no idea where life might have started prior to 2016 if all the evidence for this alleged ignorance was hidden. Were you aware of some of this hidden information? If so, please share it.

Or perhaps, the most likely explanation is that you wanted to portray scientists as ignorant and so you (or someone you listen to) just made up a bunch of nonsense and claimed that scientists had no idea until Bible to the rescue!

Its consistent with descent with modification within kinds (common ancestors) which godless men high jacked and changed the name to "evolution". What is shows is their hatred of anything which reveals God in His own Creation. Like Lucifer, they THINK they are smarter than God.

Except your argument falls flat on its face because if it was true, then we would see no relationship between the different kinds. But we do see very clear indications of different branches of the tree of life, which (according to you) should have no relationship whatsoever!

You took the words right out of my fingers. Great minds think alike. God Bless you

You only think my argument has failed because you have virtually no knowledge about science. If you actually understood what you were trying to talk about, you would make much more sense.
 
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The right Faith is a Gift from God and not of ourselves, since sinful man cannot believe that Jesus rose from the dead the third day according to the Scriptures.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.


So the exact variety of that faith is totally irrelevant, huh?

Those who pray/ask God for the Gift of Faith to believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ will not be disappointed. God Bless you

How arrogant of you to think that I have not done this. Let me tell you, I have. I got nothing. It is the height of arrogance to think that anyone who tries the thing you believe MUST reach the same conclusion as you, because it shows that you are incapable of considering that you might actually be wrong.
 
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Ah, so then all the different sects of Christianity are irrelevant, you just gotta believe in Jesus?
To get to Heaven, yes.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

But as far as worship goes, that's another matter.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
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You really need to read things more carefully.

In post 1061, you gave a definition of evolution which you repeated above, the one from Stephen Meyer.
Blind Watchmaker is Richard Dawkins. There is nothing wrong with the definition. It sounds like you have a problem with Stephen Meyer. If there is a problem with the definition, then show it. That being since the definition is taken from Dawkins book. Blind Watchmaker.

You then said, "Evolution by the above definition is pure fiction."
It is. The Evos have not demonstrated it happened as they state. Either universal common descent or blind watchmaker evolution. They have not proved their positive. You can only prove negatives philosophically. Squared circles, married bachelors.

What they have is an atheistic interpretation of the history of life here. What they do is fit the evidence into their narrative. Also, ignore evidence that does not fit their narrative. Life requires a living cause, for example, in favor of unscientific postulates all life from nonlife only.

You made the claim that such evolution is pure fiction. I am now asking you to provide evidence to support that claim you made.
Life is evidence. Life needs a living cause. The effect is evidence of the cause, and you are evidence of your parents, not a rock absent your parents. Enough of the double standards. Now provide empirical evidence for life arising from nonlife.

You don't get to weasel out of providing support by saying, "I don't need to show that it's fiction because you can't show that it's a fact."
You can't reasonably show it is a fact. You need to reasonably prove your positive.
If you have a problem with it, you need to show where it is.
I have multiple times. What none of the atheists on here have done is produced one shred of evidence for their blind faith beliefs all life here is from nonlife. That is just for starters.

''Undirected processes cannot produce the exquisite complexity of the living cell.''

''If you wish to assert that the bacterium, along with all its nanotechnology, genetic information processing system and enormous amount of pre-loaded digitally encoded information, are the results of unguided processes then the burden is on you, not us.''
 
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Show us how actual useful science has anything to do with the religious faith based godless nonsense stories and claims that the so called sciences make on origins?

(First off, many petroleum geologists are Christians. And they believe in "Deep Time". Just sayin').
 
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I'm the youngest of the young earthers since YEC teach that the morning of the Creation was 6k years ago and I show that it was less than 6 Days ago. God Bless you

Troll or Poe?

I am assuming since no one else redirected me to any evidence, that this means none has been presented.
 
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Fruit bearing trees ("Day 3") on land before the sun ("Day 4)? Birds before land animals? Nope and nope.

You are completely confused because you have taken the evidence of HOW life first appeared on planet Earth and confused it which HOW life first appeared on Adam's Flat Earth, which was clean dissolved in the Flood. ll Peter 3:6 It's hopeless for those who do not agree with this to explain their dilemma. God Bless you
 
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You are completely confused because you have taken the evidence of HOW life first appeared on planet Earth and confused it which HOW life first appeared on Adam's Flat Earth, which was clean dissolved in the Flood. ll Peter 3:6 It's hopeless for those who do not agree with this to explain their dilemma. God Bless you

You mean like this?

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"BEHOLD I AM BECOME DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS"
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Troll or Poe?

I am assuming since no one else redirected me to any evidence, that this means none has been presented.

FYI, Today remains the 6th Creative Day and it will continue until the 3rd Heaven is filled with ALL of its "host". Then and only then will we enter the 7th Day, which is Eternity.

Gen 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (Heb-brought to perfection) and ALL the host of them.

Do you believe that the present world has been "brought to perfection" especially since many thousands of innocent babies will starve to death in the next 24 hours? God's Creation of the perfect Heaven continues, no matter how many godless scientists and other unbelievers try to convince us that we have no hope. God Bless you
 
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(First off, many petroleum geologists are Christians. And they believe in "Deep Time". Just sayin').
I know chess players that believe in deep time.

How does that make them play any better?
 
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You mean like this?

"BEHOLD I AM BECOME DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS"

No, but it's easy for you too to make a model of Adam's Flat Earth. Find a container and put water in the bottom of the container. Then put dry ground on top of the water. Voila, its a picture of Adam's Flat Earth as described in Genesis 1:9-10. Adam's world was miles in diameter so your Alka-Seltzer would NOT destroy it. God Bless you
 
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You need a reason to claim it was not referring to the creation that was outlined in detail. Trying to make it a prophesy just to fit with a planet of the apes philosophy to fit some strange idea of what science requires is a great mistake.

Notice the sun and moon were the great lights in the heaven...not flying, non breathing people!

Here is Scriptural proof that the Creation continues which you cannot refute. Tell us WHEN in the past, ALL living creatures were vegetarians, including Bears and Lions. You cannot because this prophecy, at the end of the present 6th Day, is FUTURE to 2017.

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

The prophecy of Lions and Bears becoming vegetarians is AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at Armageddon, is more than a thousand years BEFORE the 7th Day. Amen?
 
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