Can you say "Global Warming"?

lucaspa · Mar 13, 2003

Yesterday at 11:27 PM MichaelFJF said this in Post #16

Global temps are cyclical. Look at history. The fact that temps have risen 1 degree in the last hundred years means nothing. M

First, it's over 1 degree.  Second, reliable records only go back a  century, so how do you know it fluctuates a degree a century?  You can't use history.  Third, the rise is correlated with the increase in greenhouse gasses.  4. It certainly does mean something, because, as just one example, penguins that have lived for tens of thousands of years (as measured by guano) on islands around S. America are moving south because it is too warm. 

lucaspa · Mar 13, 2003

Today at 02:47 PM Late_Cretaceous said this in Post #19

Global warming seems to be a highly charged and highly politicized issue. Climates do change, over the long run they are always in a state of change.

In this case the "charged and highly politicized issue" comes not from climate change itself, but whether the warming is caused by human activity and will constitute a threat to our civilization.  If both are true, then humans can affect the rise in temperature, but only by taking steps that are inconvenient and costly.

Instead of addressing whether we ought to take those steps, the tactic is to deny the phenomenon.  No global warming, then nothing to decide.

DNAunion · Mar 13, 2003

Lucaspa: Schlepp on over to ...

DNAunion: Schlepp????

I haven't heard that word used since I was a kid: in the George of the Jungle theme - something like, "And away he schlepps on his elephant Shep while Thella and Ursula stay in step"

DNAunion · Mar 13, 2003

Morat: Predictable.

DNAunion: I get it now...only people OTHER THAN Morat are wrong if they use terms incorrectly. Go get 'em Morat.

DocBrown · Mar 14, 2003

12th March 2003 at 05:42 PM Morat said this in Post #6

Wow. Another person confusing global temperature with climate with weather. How fun!

It's very simple: Just because average global temperature rises, doesn't mean it gets hotter everywhere. It's that sneaky "average" bit.

Global warming predicts cooling trends in some regions, warming trends in others. Global warming affects climate which effects weather.

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DocBrown · Mar 14, 2003

I see they still haven't figured out how to allow people who write their post in MS Word to post without a lot of garbage coming along with it.

Oh well everyone will just have to read around the stuff, cause I'm not changing my word processor for this board.

 

JohnR7 · Mar 14, 2003

Today at 08:54 AM DocBrown said this in Post #26 I see they still haven't figured out how to allow people who write their post in MS Word to post without a lot of garbage coming along with it. 

It is easy, just cut and paste in into notepad first. It is a primitive program and it will get rid of all that junk.

JohnR7 · Mar 14, 2003

Yesterday at 02:47 PM Late_Cretaceous said this in Post #19  Local weather, and even cycles like El Nino or droughts or sever winters can complicate the picture.

Why in this day and age of advanced technology should we have to submit ourselves to nature. Why don't we just build a couple of really big fans, then we could blow some cool air out to death valley so it does not get so hot there. We could blow some of the warm air up north here in the winter so it does not get so cold here. Maybe for the sake of people who like winter sports we can give them 6 weeks of winter to do their thing, but then we turn the fan on and blow the warm air in here to heat things up a bit.

DocBrown · Mar 15, 2003

How about everyone checking out this site:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-329es.html

 

Doc

 

Micaiah · Mar 15, 2003

Yesterday at 10:41 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #28

Why in this day and age of advanced technology should we have to submit ourselves to nature. Why don't we just build a couple of really big fans, then we could blow some cool air out to death valley so it does not get so hot there. We could blow some of the warm air up north here in the winter so it does not get so cold here. Maybe for the sake of people who like winter sports we can give them 6 weeks of winter to do their thing, but then we turn the fan on and blow the warm air in here to heat things up a bit.

I suspect John that we would be using some very exotic materials for this king of thing. An off the cuff sizing of the fan would be something in the order of several kilometers high for one unit. We'd need several hundred of these with their associated ducting since it would be hard to generate wind speeds with the momentum to carry the distance to which you refer. Numerous nuclear power stations would be required to drive the units. You should keep in mind that this whole concept may not be feasible. If it were possible the heat generated by the power plants may be self defeating.

I prefer the idea of towing icebergs to the hot areas, and volcanoes to the cold ones.

JohnR7 · Mar 15, 2003

13th March 2003 at 05:50 PM lucaspa said this in Post #21  It certainly does mean something, because, as just one example, penguins that have lived for tens of thousands of years (as measured by guano) on islands around S. America are moving south because it is too warm. 

Yeah, well, the snow is always whiter on the other side of the fense

JohnR7 · Mar 15, 2003

Today at 10:59 AM Micaiah said this in Post #30

I prefer the idea of towing icebergs to the hot areas, and volcanoes to the cold ones.

Or maybe we could just adjust the tilt of the earth by a half a degree, that should warm things up a bit during the winter. Although when all the ice up at the north pole melts we could have global flooding.

Evee · Mar 15, 2003

Well here is some more junk for you.

 In Indiana it was hard to believe of any global warming.

 I checked Alaska and it was warmer there most of the winter.

 We have had snow every since Dec 24 our first big snow of the year of 2002.

 It would warm up just a bit and melt some and guess what another snow.

 The ground has not been clear of snow since the first snow fall.

Here is the good news it is now 62 degrees and spring is in the air.

 The only snow left is shoveled up in big piles in shopping parking lots.

 I am so happy today I feel almost giddy.

 We are finally going to see spring. 

JohnR7 · Mar 15, 2003

Today at 12:41 PM Evee said this in Post #33
Here is the good news it is now 62 degrees and spring is in the air. 

Yeah, we can finally get out and clean up the yard a bit. I have to repair the corner of my garage where the guy ran into it with the snow plow. Or maybe I will let the insurance company take care of it. Either way, there is lots to do. I am surprised the water damage here is not as bad as I thought it was going to be. But it is usually the spring rain that does the real damage, so I have to get everything sealed up before all the rains come.

Evee · Mar 15, 2003

 Yeah JohnR7 I think your winter has been pretty much the same as ours.

 I thought I was stuck in the driveway but once the snow melted found it to be just a tad of yard there got to fix that.

 I just thank God for this beautiful day don't you? 

 When we have a winter as such as we just did it makes the spring seem better.  

paulewog · Mar 15, 2003

I love how 20 or 30 years ago, it was all about an imminent "ice age," and now it's a "global warming."

I heard a strange quote yesterday.... some official somebody said he was more worried about global warming than about the Iraq situation.

Evee · Mar 15, 2003

Today at 06:08 PM paulewog said this in Post #36

I love how 20 or 30 years ago, it was all about an imminent "ice age," and now it's a "global warming."

I heard a strange quote yesterday.... some official somebody said he was more worried about global warming than about the Iraq situation.

 

 Some people just not happy less they worry.

 Yep either we freeze in an ice cube or we burn and scorch to death.

 I prefer to believe that God is in control.

 It is all going to be alright.

 Yes it is!!

DNAunion · Mar 15, 2003

Micaiah: An off the cuff sizing of the fan would be something in the order of several kilometers high for one unit. We'd need several hundred of these with their associated ducting since it would be hard to generate wind speeds with the momentum to carry the distance to which you refer. Numerous nuclear power stations would be required to drive the units. You should keep in mind that this whole concept may not be feasible. If it were possible the heat generated by the power plants may be self defeating.

I prefer the idea of towing icebergs to the hot areas, and volcanoes to the cold ones.

DNAunion: Yeah, I was going to point out the absurdity of John's apparently serious suggestion, but what you said should cover it.

However, how do you propose we tow volcanoes to cold areas?

Can you say "Global Warming"?

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