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Hello UnderPar.

I would appreciate your opinion UnderPar.

Just read the following two messianic prophecies.

Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your king is coming to you; He is just and endowed with salvation,
Humble, and mounted on a donkey, even on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

Zechariah 11:12
I said to them, “If it is good in your sight, give me my wages; but if not, never mind!” So they weighed out thirty shekels of silver as my wages. 13 Then the Lord said to me, “Throw it to the potter, that magnificent price at which I was valued by them.” So I took the thirty shekels of silver and threw them to the potter in the house of the Lord.

These prophecies were written centuries before Jesus appeared on the scene.

How do you explain these prophecies?
 
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Hello UnderPar.

I would appreciate your opinion UnderPar.

Just read the following two messianic prophecies.

Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your king is coming to you; He is just and endowed with salvation,
Humble, and mounted on a donkey, even on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

Zechariah 11:12
I said to them, “If it is good in your sight, give me my wages; but if not, never mind!” So they weighed out thirty shekels of silver as my wages. 13 Then the Lord said to me, “Throw it to the potter, that magnificent price at which I was valued by them.” So I took the thirty shekels of silver and threw them to the potter in the house of the Lord.

These prophecies were written centuries before Jesus appeared on the scene.

How do you explain these prophecies?
The so called prophecies were given far in history, anyone can then write the new testament to fit with the old.

Since there are no external sources to validate these claims but what's in the new testament, you've got to take it all on faith.
 
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The so called prophecies were given far in history, anyone can then write the new testament to fit with the old.

Since there are no external sources to validate these claims but what's in the new testament, you've got to take it all on faith.
Hello UnderPar.

Yes I agree that the New Testament can be written to fulfill these Old Testament prophecies. Yet the question remains, why are these prophecies in the Old Testament?

Who wrote these prophecies and why would they predict future events?
 
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Hello UnderPar.

Yes I agree that the New Testament can be written to fulfill these Old Testament prophecies. Yet the question remains, why are these prophecies in the Old Testament?

Who wrote these prophecies and why would they predict future events?
Well if those prophediced events happened. I can only trust the bible on that one. It's not like I can verify anything outside the bible, you know.
 
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Well if those prophediced events happened. I can only trust the bible on that one. It's not like I can verify anything outside the bible, you know.
And you certainly can't trust the testimonies of men so why do you insist on required proof from men?
 
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And you certainly can't trust the testimonies of men so why do you insist on required proof from men?
What a way to show someone love, convince yourself that someone is completely untrustworthy before you meet them.
 
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The so called prophecies were given far in history, anyone can then write the new testament to fit with the old.

Since there are no external sources to validate these claims but what's in the new testament, you've got to take it all on faith.

No, they really can't write anything they wanted to fit with the old testament. We humans are imperfect creatures and we are bound to sin no matter how hard you try not to (Romans 3:23; 1 John 1). Therefore by the fact of this, one could not write on their own accord in the bible and have the bible be as perfect as it is with no error or contradiction. The bible's true author is God who used holy men to put forth the message (2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20-21).

Again, no, mere men alone cannot have just put their own writings to make attempt to put in harmony with the old testament without divine assistance. The bible has no contradictions and no errors. It was not done by man alone.

I shown you external sources you chosen not to respond to. The proof is in the pudding my dear friend. God is real and He exists.

Maybe you should study these evidences I brought to light for you.

Hello,

First, in order to say you believe God does not exist, would indicate that you yourself are a god, knowing all things, to make such a judgment call. Scientific Method comes to mind.

Second, the bible clearly states that Jesus is God, and if you read the bible, the scripture you read states that many times. John 1 comes to mind as well as combining Genesis 1 with it.

Thirdly, Atheists strongest weapon ( or so they think) actually backfires on them. Science proves God exists if one looks at it honestly.

Law of Causality

Law of Biogenesis

1st and 2nd Law of Thermodynamics

All laws in which secular and religious agree upon. Its the denial part that catches many who wish not to see this.

No one has ever proved or can prove that non life can miraculously spawn life from dead matter to living matter. It just cannot be done, unless there is a God. There is no way around this.

There is no proof that a non human can create a human. This also has never happened and will never happen. No way around this either. You either are a human or you are not.

I pray God will not harden your heart and that He opens it up to seeking Him out. Have a wonderful weekend.

Well if those prophediced events happened. I can only trust the bible on that one. It's not like I can verify anything outside the bible, you know.

Actually, if you enlighten yourself to events around the world, archaeological digs and such have found amazing evidence that proves what the bible says as true and happened. They also have proof of miraculous unnatural things that have happened in the past.

If you recall the account of Sodom and Gomorrah, how it was destroyed with fire and brimstone, then this little tid bit of information will intrigue you. Archaeologists have discovered the site of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the evidence of their being destroyed just as the bible describes, with fire and brimstone.

Here's the catch though, brimstone the resource of sulfur, should not be there. It does not match anything elsewhere on earth. Yet, as sure as they stand there seeing such a thing, they find that brimstone is evident and the result of the cities destruction, when brimstone is not found for great distances around.

That in itself is proof of a supernatural being.

I could go on put this alone proves the point.
 
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Yes, unfortunately and there are lots of Christians. Things don't add up.
Be sure to understand the "rightly divide" message in 2 Timothy 2:15, KJV. Jesus was speaking to Jews in that day, in Matthew 7:13-14. The Christian scriptures today speak to eternal security.
 
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Be sure to understand the "rightly divide" message in 2 Timothy 2:15, KJV. Jesus was speaking to Jews in that day, in Matthew 7:13-14. The Christian scriptures today speak to eternal security.
For all who believe

Since HE created ONE (NEW) MAN from the two in HIS BODY

And THE BRIDEGROOM alone will present back to THE FATHER HIS BRIDE/HIS BODY/HIS CHURCH

Which of course is made up of those near (the Jew who had the word and promises of GOD) and those far (the Gentiles who didn't)
 
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No, they really can't write anything they wanted to fit with the old testament. We humans are imperfect creatures and we are bound to sin no matter how hard you try not to (Romans 3:23; 1 John 1). Therefore by the fact of this, one could not write on their own accord in the bible and have the bible be as perfect as it is with no error or contradiction. The bible's true author is God who used holy men to put forth the message (2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20-21).

Again, no, mere men alone cannot have just put their own writings to make attempt to put in harmony with the old testament without divine assistance. The bible has no contradictions and no errors. It was not done by man alone.

I shown you external sources you chosen not to respond to. The proof is in the pudding my dear friend. God is real and He exists.

Maybe you should study these evidences I brought to light for you.





Actually, if you enlighten yourself to events around the world, archaeological digs and such have found amazing evidence that proves what the bible says as true and happened. They also have proof of miraculous unnatural things that have happened in the past.

If you recall the account of Sodom and Gomorrah, how it was destroyed with fire and brimstone, then this little tid bit of information will intrigue you. Archaeologists have discovered the site of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the evidence of their being destroyed just as the bible describes, with fire and brimstone.

Here's the catch though, brimstone the resource of sulfur, should not be there. It does not match anything elsewhere on earth. Yet, as sure as they stand there seeing such a thing, they find that brimstone is evident and the result of the cities destruction, when brimstone is not found for great distances around.

That in itself is proof of a supernatural being.

I could go on put this alone proves the point.
You are one deluded soul.
 
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For all who believe

Since HE created ONE (NEW) MAN from the two in HIS BODY

And THE BRIDEGROOM alone will present back to THE FATHER HIS BRIDE/HIS BODY/HIS CHURCH

Which of course is made up of those near (the Jew who had the word and promises of GOD) and those far (the Gentiles who didn't)
What bizarre analogy.
 
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You are one deluded soul.
The written word of GOD is a well-fitted puzzle. A prophecy a parallel and a picture of CHRIST

Every WORD spoken in lower signs and representations spoke of and pointed to the higher and invisible hidden truths found in CHRIST

For THE TESTIMONY of JESUS

IS


THE SPIRIT of prophecy
 
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The written word of GOD is a well-fitted puzzle. A prophecy a parallel and a picture of CHRIST

Every WORD spoken in lower signs and representations spoke of and pointed to the higher and invisible hidden truths found in CHRIST

For THE TESTIMONY of JESUS

IS


THE SPIRIT of prophecy
I don't like you, please leave me alone.
 
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You are one deluded soul.

Alrighty then, I suppose you made your decision already. You should change from "seeker" to what you have clearly decided in view of your posts.

Thank you for your time in discussion with me.
 
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