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I hope that is not the case where someone called you or others trolls. If they do you can report such posts.
Here in Christian Forums, it is against the rules to accuse someone of something. So, if someone calls you a troll, this is accusing, and against the rules, here. But the person may report however you might break rules of communication.

I am concerned how ones can treat trolls like they are beyond help and hope, and ones can just dump and avoid them. But Jesus wants us to be ready to share with and help anyone, with hope for any person, at all. No matter how impossible one seems, with God we can help anyone :)

My personal take about what a troll is, is he or she finds ways to keep rejecting and criticizing anything you say, and can very thoroughly misrepresent what you mean and then disagree with what you don't even mean. The person shows no reconsideration of what you offer, and won't actually communicate.

So . . . from my description here, you can see that I do not think you are a troll!

It seems like a number of people think each troll is on purpose only trying to disrupt a thread. But I think each troll is a unique person like each of us; and so he or she could have different reasons which he or she is consciously and strategically pursuing or is not aware of what he or she is doing.

One might be lonely and just wants interaction.

One might be testing if there are any really Christian people who are able to relate with the person.

A person might really feel he or she is right and is smart doing what he or she is doing. This would be true of someone who has established ideas but can not accept that anyone would question him or her.

One might want to play "word chess", and is trying to find someone who can give the person a challenging debate. May be he or she is hoping to get some things he or she can put in a school paper, for all I know :)

And one might try to see if and how he or she can play me around. For example, one who keeps saying I am wrong can make just irrelevant remarks but not actually answer to what I offer, including not giving any scripture for not agreeing with me. And this can be in order to keep me trying to get in the last word, so the person has succeeded in playing me :) The person just does not respect me and does not value the authority of the Bible; so he or she disagrees without giving me anything to answer to. But this would be someone focusing on me, maybe.

Other unique persons might have other unique reasons for trolling :)

I'd like to talk semantics and religion, do you know where I can do that.
It might not be a simple matter to figure out where to post each of your subjects. Your semantic subjects might not all belong in the same forum area; so you might ask someone where each one goes; and your religious subjects might belong in different forum areas. So, I would try to find out about where each of your interests may be discussed, on an individual basis :)
 
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Here in Christian Forums, it is against the rules to accuse someone of something. So, if someone calls you a troll, this is accusing, and against the rules, here. But the person may report however you might break rules of communication.

I am concerned how ones can treat trolls like they are beyond help and hope, and ones can just dump and avoid them. But Jesus wants us to be ready to share with and help anyone, with hope for any person, at all. No matter how impossible one seems, with God we can help anyone :)

My personal take about what a troll is, is he or she finds ways to keep rejecting and criticizing anything you say, and can very thoroughly misrepresent what you mean and then disagree with what you don't even mean. The person shows no reconsideration of what you offer, and won't actually communicate.

So . . . from my description here, you can see that I do not think you are a troll!

It seems like a number of people think each troll is on purpose only trying to disrupt a thread. But I think each troll is a unique person like each of us; and so he or she could have different reasons which he or she is consciously and strategically pursuing or is not aware of what he or she is doing.

One might be lonely and just wants interaction.

One might be testing if there are any really Christian people who are able to relate with the person.

A person might really feel he or she is right and is smart doing what he or she is doing. This would be true of someone who has established ideas but can not accept that anyone would question him or her.

One might want to play "word chess", and is trying to find someone who can give the person a challenging debate. May be he or she is hoping to get some things he or she can put in a school paper, for all I know :)

And one might try to see if and how he or she can play me around. For example, one who keeps saying I am wrong can make just irrelevant remarks but not actually answer to what I offer, including not giving any scripture for not agreeing with me. And this can be in order to keep me trying to get in the last word, so the person has succeeded in playing me :) The person just does not respect me and does not value the authority of the Bible; so he or she disagrees without giving me anything to answer to. But this would be someone focusing on me, maybe.

Other unique persons might have other unique reasons for trolling :)

It might not be a simple matter to figure out where to post each of your subjects. Your semantic subjects might not all belong in the same forum area; so you might ask someone where each one goes; and your religious subjects might belong in different forum areas. So, I would try to find out about where each of your interests may be discussed, on an individual basis :)
Thanks for the input, I enjoyed that as much as you wrote it.
 
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I am concerned how ones can treat trolls like they are beyond help and hope, and ones can just dump and avoid them
Is this a problem here on CF? Not from my observation.

The OP was mistreated here in his estimation.
 
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Hmm, I have had an extremely long religious background, and was a believer for half of my 40 years of life.

I'd like to talk semantics and religion, do you know where I can do that.

Well, yeah.....
Here, in the 'Exploring Christianity' section, I reckon you could do that........
The thing is, there are over 3000 differing Churches, Creeds and Denominations of Christianity, each one believing that nearly all the others are wrong, and therfore (I'm guessing) that all the others are hell-bound, or whatever.

I even know Christians who insist that Jesus lead the Israelites out of Egypt..... we might get a reply to that here, even?

I just research the life and mission of thhis Galilean handworker who lived amongst the Genessaret boatmen. :D
 
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I am concerned how ones can treat trolls like they are beyond help and hope, and ones can just dump and avoid them.

Is this a problem here on CF?
You are right; in these forums I have seen people make an exemplary effort to help ones who could be considered trolls.

I was making this an issue . . . for any of us, including myself, who might need it.
 
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Hello.....
Is there not a Samaritan type section on this forum where trained persons can communicate with possible suicides?

The very first rule is that 'advice is never given', or it was when I trained to become a Samaritan.

Trainees learn to ask questions, quite often very direct questions.... training courses lasted three months, I seem to remember. But I can tell you that Samaritans were not selected as a result of their religions or faiths.
How does one train to become a Samaritan?
 
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Well, yeah.....
Here, in the 'Exploring Christianity' section, I reckon you could do that........
The thing is, there are over 3000 differing Churches, Creeds and Denominations of Christianity, each one believing that nearly all the others are wrong, and therfore (I'm guessing) that all the others are hell-bound, or whatever.

I even know Christians who insist that Jesus lead the Israelites out of Egypt..... we might get a reply to that here, even?

I just research the life and mission of thhis Galilean handworker who lived amongst the Genessaret boatmen. :D
There's only ONE FOUNDATION and regardless of the outward denominations name, if the members aren't standing firmly on
that ONE FOUNDATION, then it isn't in THE BODY
 
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Here, in the 'Exploring Christianity' section, I reckon you could do that........
The thing is, there are over 3000 differing Churches, Creeds and Denominations of Christianity, each one believing that nearly all the others are wrong, and therfore (I'm guessing) that all the others are hell-bound, or whatever.

You would be surprised how many denominations/churches have more in common on core beliefs. Did a bit of research on this a few years ago. Most differences are due to "worship style" which some call Liturgy. LOL some have even done flow charts (mostly tongue in cheek).

However, the major "fault lines" usually revolve around the basic fundamentals of the Christian faith. For example, RA Torrey in his work "The Fundamentals" addressed the basic beliefs of Christianity from a Biblical and historic perspective. Summarized as follows:

1) The Bible is literally true. Associated with this tenet is the belief that the Bible is inerrant, and infallible.

2) The virgin birth and deity of Christ. Jesus was born of the virgin Mary and conceived by the Holy Spirit and that He was and is the Son of God, fully human and fully divine.

3) The substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ on the cross. The Bible teaches that salvation is obtained only through God’s grace and human faith in Christ’s crucifixion for the sins of mankind.

4) The bodily resurrection of Jesus. On the third day after His crucifixion, Jesus rose from the grave and now sits at the right hand of God the Father.

5) The authenticity of Jesus’ miracles as recorded in Scripture and the literal second coming of Christ to earth.




I even know Christians who insist that Jesus lead the Israelites out of Egypt..... we might get a reply to that here, even?

Did you mean this?

1 Corinthians 10: NKJV

Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
 
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How does one train to become a Samaritan?

Hi......
I don't know how that happens now.
40 years ago meetings were held every Wednesday evening in my local City, and two trainers took us through theory training, then virtual practical training, and finally actual practice with a trainer sitting by and able to take control. There were also individual counselling and assessment interviews.
This lasted either 3 or 6 months (can't remember).

It's a brave decision to give a new recruit the telephone as a fledged Samaritan. One wrong sentence canm make a huge difference. And Samaritans have to be very very strong in themselves.

Imagine taking a call from a person who explains why their life is forfeit and that they are standing on a rail bridge waiting for the next train to pass under. The Samaritan uses every last ounze of experience and training, but then the call ends, and in the morning the death is being reported on local news. The Samaritan has got to pick self up and carry on..... somehow. Tough.
 
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There's only ONE FOUNDATION and regardless of the outward denominations name, if the members aren't standing firmly on
that ONE FOUNDATION, then it isn't in THE BODY
I understand........ but I have never met any Christian who did not have faith that their Church, their denomination and their Creed was the right one.

Where I live Christians murdered and burned each other for hundreds of years. I just try to understand how the faiths differ and give respect to the Christians of each.....
 
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I understand........ but I have never met any Christian who did not have faith that their Church, their denomination and their Creed was the right one.

Where I live Christians murdered and burned each other for hundreds of years. I just try to understand how the faiths differ and give respect to the Christians of each.....
Maybe the problem is belief. Why do we even need it?
 
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You would be surprised how many denominations/churches have more in common on core beliefs. Did a bit of research on this a few years ago. Most differences are due to "worship style" which some call Liturgy. LOL some have even done flow charts (mostly tongue in cheek).

However, the major "fault lines" usually revolve around the basic fundamentals of the Christian faith. For example, RA Torrey in his work "The Fundamentals" addressed the basic beliefs of Christianity from a Biblical and historic perspective. Summarized as follows:
Thankyou for that. I needed to cut back to standard text so that my quote app would work.

Did you mean this?
Oh yes..... seriously!
There are also the 'Free Gift by Grace' Christians who believe that it does not matter what other folks do, say or believe, only 'they' can reach salvation because they were 'nominated' at the beginning.
And of course there are Unitarian Churches.
And there are Spoiritualist Churches......

The list of Churches which have followed a different Creed to your foundation is long and most varied.
 
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Maybe the problem is belief. Why do we even need it?

We might not need it, but we nearly all have beliefs.
On a forum where lots of atheists post I once ran a thread, asking about superstitions, ghosts, spirits etc etc...... So many atheists explained how they do have superstitions etc...... much to the horror of more extremist atheists! And when the extremists were questioned they were tripping over little beliefs themselves. It was amazing!

Honestly, it can be most instructive..... delving into atheists' deep convictions about such things. :)
 
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I understand........ but I have never met any Christian who did not have faith that their Church, their denomination and their Creed was the right one.

Where I live Christians murdered and burned each other for hundreds of years. I just try to understand how the faiths differ and give respect to the Christians of each.....
I don't have faith directed in and on my church

...and that is not THE FOUNDATION
 
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We might not need it, but we nearly all have beliefs.
On a forum where lots of atheists post I once ran a thread, asking about superstitions, ghosts, spirits etc etc...... So many atheists explained how they do have superstitions etc...... much to the horror of more extremist atheists! And when the extremists were questioned they were tripping over little beliefs themselves. It was amazing!

Honestly, it can be most instructive..... delving into atheists' deep convictions about such things. :)
Oh the humanity.
 
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