InterestingI assume that is the end of the logic which belongs to who?
End of the logic for the people addressed here:
Romans 9:
6But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;
7nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “THROUGH ISAAC YOURDESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED.”
8That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.
9For this is the word of promise: “AT THIS TIME I WILL COME, ANDSARAH SHALL HAVE A SON.”
10And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac;
11for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,
12it was said to her, “THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER.”
13Just as it is written, “JACOB I LOVED, BUTESAU I HATED.”
Where Paul argues against those who claim God’s word would fail if non Jews were incLuded in the People of God, without conversion.
Paraphrase of Romans 9:6-13
God's word has not failed. First, not all Gods’s people were Jews. Nor are all Jews God's people because they happen to be Abraham's descendants. But the descendants would be identified through a descriptor, "Isaac", that is, the descriptor is “promise.” So it is not physical descent which counts, but those who are a result of a promise are descendants. The promise related to Isaac is: “AT THIS TIME I WILL COME, AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON.” Even in the incident concerning Rebecca, when she had become pregnant with twins through Isaac, even before they were born or did any good or bad acts , so that God's work according to his pleasure would be done. Not because of performance, but because of the One who decided, when He said “The elder will serve the younger”. It was also mentioned, elsewhere, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I loved less”.
And here:
Galatians 3:
15Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it.
16Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referringto many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ.
17What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.
Where those addressed argued that the promises were given only to Jews, Abraham’s seed, and where Paul showed the word was singular and meant, Christ.
I assume that is the end of the logic which belongs to who? I would like to know who this logic belongs to
Yes. End of the logic belonging to the Judaisers, those who insisted on conversion, before baptism.
Great.
I do not understand this paragraph.
I had written:
So if the believer wanted to be a blessing to the world, then he had to be a part of Christ.
I meant:
So if the believer wanted to be fruitful, he had to be a part of Christ, by eating His flesh and drinking His blood.
John 6:
56“He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
John 15:4Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me.
1 John 3:24Whoever keeps His commandments remains in God, and God in him. And by this we know that He remains in us: by the Spirit He has given us.
Since I am mixed or do not understand you, I need you to at least restate the above.
I wrote:
And the only way to be a part of Christ was to eat His flesh, drink his blood (obey his words).
I meant:
And the only way to bear fruit, to abide in Christ, was to eat His flesh, drink his blood (obey his words).
John 6:
56“He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
John 15:4Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me.
1 John 3:24Whoever keeps His commandments remains in God, and God in him. And by this we know that He remains in us: by the Spirit He has given us.
I like verse 23 very much. Since you did not quote it, I wonder what you think v 24 says. What are "His commandments?" I am skeptical because of the abuse of Scripture I see elsewhere.
Well Christ means messiah, anointed one, anointed to deliver, so to believe in the name of Jesus Christ is the command, to believe that He was sent by God and would indeed deliver, and the other command is to love one another.
1 John 3:23And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.
24The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
I do see your point in Jn 15:4.
Bugkiller
Great.
