Rev 12 is FUTURE and the child is the church

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Revelation 12


1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

NO.....Rev. 12:1-5 is passed events. Israel brought forth Jesus whom King Herod tried to kill via the dragons influence.

Rev. 12:6-17 is THE PROPHECY.

Israel flees into the Wilderness for 1260 days.
 
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Some posters seem to forget that Jesus is already on the throne in heaven from Revelation 3:21 so John must be talking about the church in Revelation 12:5


Also in Revelation 1:19 John is told to record what is to come, which is everything from Revelation 4 to 22. Jesus' birth and ascension was before John's time.



Revelation 12:5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron. But her child was snatched away and taken to God and to his throne;

Children are normally born head first, then body.



Sister Hisdaughterjen pointed out in post #5 that ...
In comparing scripture with scripture, Christ is the one who rules with a rod of iron (which is descriptive of the man-child) but he gives that rulership to the church in Rev 2 & 3.
The man-child is definitely the church.


Revelation 2:26 To everyone who conquers and continues to do my works to the end,
I will give authority over the nations to rule them with an iron rod,



Romans 8:22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning in labor pains until now; and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit,


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The man-child is definitely the church.

The Book of Revelation is a book of symbols and is definitely not in chronological order.


Christ returns "as a thief" at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16, and He also returns in chapter 19.

The "time of the judgment of the dead" in found in Revelation 11:18.

The book is a series of overlapping visions.

The statement above is an attempt to make scripture fit a man-made doctrine, since the context of the passage includes the birth and death of Christ.

Psalm 2 plainly says the "Son" is the one who rules with a rod of iron.
He does not correct the flawed pottery with the rod. He destroys it.


The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson including the birth and death of Christ, and the casting out of the wicked angels.

Are wicked angels in heaven now?

2Pe_2:4  For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


Jud_1:6  And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


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