Muslim woman gets probation in death of newborn thrown from 8TH Floor

Landon Caeli said:

Why project such assumptions unless that's just what we are to expect from Muslims?

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I may be wrong -- and I apologize in advance if that's the case -- but I think the Aryeh Jay's point was that we shouldn't paint an entire religion by the evil actions of some of its participants. As Christians (crusades, Inquisition, Klan, pedophile clergy, etc.), we should be more cognizant of this.

I posted four news stories of Christian parents killing their pregnant daughters in reply to this quote “Muslim parents can and do kill their daughters over things like this, so her fear is rational” and stated that the “act of killing pregnant daughters by parents knows no religious boundaries” meaning that it is not a Muslim exclusive activity.

Aryeh Jay said:

I posted four news stories of Christian parents killing their pregnant daughters in reply to this quote “Muslim parents can and do kill their daughters over things like this, so her fear is rational” and stated that the “act of killing pregnant daughters by parents knows no religious boundaries” meaning that it is not a Muslim exclusive activity.

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Not exclusively, no. But overwhelmingly? It sort of really is.

Hank77 said:

Where is this man in fear of his life?

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Do you regard all pious religious people as killers, or only pious Muslims?

Either way, you have entirely skipped over the meaning behind my reductio ad absurdem.

"Danger to society" is not the only factor involved in a jail sentence.

SolomonVII said:

Do you regard all pious religious people as killers, or only pious Muslims?

Either way, you have entirely skipped over the meaning behind my reductio ad absurdem.

"Danger to society" is not the only factor involved in a jail sentence.

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I think a guy who murders his wife rather than just divorcing her in order to marry someone else could very well be a danger to society. Sheesh...how long would it be before he murdered the new wife? There was that cop that murdered what, two or three wives if I remember correctly and for just the reason you gave.

Aldebaran said:

In the Muslim world, what this woman did may have very well been what they consider to be birth control.

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Wrong. Abortion after a certain amount of time isn't allowed (barring if the mother's life is in danger), what makes you think killing a baby outside of the womb is? It's a grave sin.

Furthermore, the punishment for a *married* woman companion of the Prophet's who committed adultery and confessed (insisting on the Prophet hearing her confession) was death and it was put on hold until after she gave birth, weaned the baby, and the child was entrusted into the care of another companion. And her repentance was such that had it been divided between 70 people, it would've sufficed them.

This young woman was unmarried, so in an Islaamic country, her punishment wouldn't even have been death for adultery. And she's not in an Islaamic country to begin with, so she wouldn't have been punished at all. Vigilantism isn't allowed.

Look at what they do to their children in the name of their religion. But I warn you that this is graphic: These kids are subjected to horrific bloodletting ceremonies in the name of religion

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Don't even need to click, the description is enough. That is a Shi'a practice, nothing to do with Sunni Islaam (which considers the beliefs of Twelver Shi'ism to be outside of Islaam). If considering Shias to be Muslims, they are a minority. Sunnis comprise 85-90% of those who call themselves Muslims.

SolomonVII said:

Do you regard all pious religious people as killers, or only pious Muslims?

Either way, you have entirely skipped over the meaning behind my reductio ad absurdem.

"Danger to society" is not the only factor involved in a jail sentence.

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And your other factors are?

Landon Caeli said:

Come on, seriously... The same can be said again -the man could have gotten a divorce rather than murder his wife. In the same way, the woman could have adopted out the baby. That's why we have these options.

...How can we be sure she won't just kill her next baby, by throwing it in a river or off another building?

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....and what is your solution for making sure this woman "won't just kill her next baby"? Imprison her for the rest of her child-bearing years?

Gracia Singh said:

Granted, you were terrified of your parents. If the sexual activity that got her into this situation was consentual, by all means, young lady, don't have sex. No sex, no unexpected / unwanted pregnancy, no baby to hide from your family. No baby to drop from a window in a moment of panic.

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Obviously that's unlikely. Since most teen or adults in a relationships have sex. It natural. I'm sure her plans weren't to get pregnant. I'm not sure if every religious girl is even taught. That you get pregnant by sex. I know I learn this in school not at home. And I wasn't Muslim.

Gracia Singh said:

I pointed this out to highlight just how awful this crime was, and to bring focus back on the infant, not the young lady.
This was murder.

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It's pointless since the babies dead. The focus needs to be educating women, And letting them know the have more options. So less babies die like this.

Landon Caeli said:

Was she given a light sentence because she's a Muslim Immigrant? Seriously, I have to ask!

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You don't have to ask, because we already know the answer.

Landon Caeli said:

4 to 5 years in prison would be a suitable sentence IMO. I think that's being generous.

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I think her receiving therapy is more important. If she got 4 or 5 years of prison. It wouldn't matter to me. But therapy is more important. And making sure she has access to Birth control. I've see a baby rapist get 6 month is jail. For raping his 1 year old daughter repeatedly. I'm sure it was pleaded down. When he got out. He even got to visit her. When she was in foster care. The mother was a drug addict. 3 years later. She finally gets the daughter, that was raped, and her younger sister back. Then took them back to the rapist father. And left them with him. And went back to doing drugs. But these short sentences happen all the time. The Muslim throwing her baby out the window .Just HAPPENED TO made the news.

Landon Caeli said:

4 to 5 years in prison would be a suitable sentence IMO. I think that's being generous.

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She has already be in jail for nearly 2 years. Would 4 to 5 more years ensure, as you put it, that she won't kill her next baby?

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

It's pointless since the babies dead. The focus needs to be educating women, And letting them know the have more options. So less babies die like this.

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No. The focus needs to be on this dead child. I agree, women have options. One of those options includes to abstain from sex if they are not ready or able or willing to be a mother.

Instead of having sex, getting pregnant, and giving birth at home in a panic, then killing your new born child by throwing her out a window.

Her other options included contacting an organization (of which several exist), dedicated to helping young women in her situation to safely give birth and put the child up for adoption.

Again, this being the United States and not rural Pakistan, India, Iran, or Sudan, such options exist and would have been available to an unmarried pregnant girl in her position.