Number of children being referred to gender identity clinics has quadrupled in five years

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This is so sad. I saw an article on facebook (not sure if its true or not) about a couple who didn't put the gender of their child on the child's birth certificate. They didn't want to assign a gender to their child. They wanted their child to decide for themselves.
 
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Experts have warned that the huge spike is, in part, due to the promotion of transgender issues in schools which they say has encouraged to question their identity, and “sowed confusion” in their minds.』

As it becomes more celebrated and popular, this will unfortunately keep happening. I'm not surprised.
 
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I've worked with adolescents for well over 30 years. There are three things I've learned about teenagers. (1) They're still trying to figure themselves out; (2) group contagion matters; and (3) what you see at 16 isn't necessarily what you see at 36. That is, they jump on popular trends and try them on for size. You can name an issue -- cutting, bulimia, anorexia, demon worship, suicidality, gender identity confusion -- it doesn't matter. They see their friends doing it, it gives permission, and some will try it on for size.

It's peer influence, not what is being taught in school. Peer influence and approval are more important to teenagers than parents or school lessons. I can't tell you how many 16-year-old so-called "transgendered," "gay" teenagers I've counseled who are now 30 or 40-year-old folk in heterosexual marriages with children or grandchildren. I do believe that there are those that are legitimately transgendered and gay, but not all of them that are being dragged off to clinics. In any case, lots of teenage claims or experimentation freak parents out, and they're off to see a therapist...which I admittedly benefit from.

And the other thing? The more the parents freak out, the more likely the behavior is to continue (among those that are experimenting.)
 
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This is so sad. I saw an article on facebook (not sure if its true or not) about a couple who didn't put the gender of their child on the child's birth certificate. They didn't want to assign a gender to their child. They wanted their child to decide for themselves.
Good for them.
 
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I've worked with adolescents for well over 30 years. There are three things I've learned about teenagers. (1) They're still trying to figure themselves out; (2) group contagion matters; and (3) what you see at 16 isn't necessarily what you see at 36. That is, they jump on popular trends and try them on for size. You can name an issue -- cutting, bulimia, anorexia, demon worship, suicidality, gender identity confusion -- it doesn't matter. They see their friends doing it, it gives permission, and some will try it on for size.

It's peer influence, not what is being taught in school. Peer influence and approval are more important to teenagers than parents or school lessons. I can't tell you how many 16-year-old so-called "transgendered," "gay" teenagers I've counseled who are now 30 or 40-year-old folk in heterosexual marriages with children or grandchildren. I do believe that there are those that are legitimately transgendered and gay, but not all of them that are being dragged off to clinics. In any case, lots of teenage claims or experimentation freak parents out, and they're off to see a therapist...which I admittedly benefit from.

And the other thing? The more the parents freak out, the more likely the behavior is to continue (among those that are experimenting.)
This article wasn't so much about teens, we all pretty much know teens go 'wacky' for awhile.
But to start raising transgender issue with very young child is just asking for heartaches.

Chris McGovern, a former advisor to the Department for Education, said: “It has become an industry, people are making a career out of encouraging children to question gender at an age when they need to be left to be children. When teachers raise these issues children can become confused or unhappy and traumatised by it."

I agree.
 
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This is so sad. I saw an article on facebook (not sure if its true or not) about a couple who didn't put the gender of their child on the child's birth certificate. They didn't want to assign a gender to their child. They wanted their child to decide for themselves.
These parents probably shouldn't even get a birth certificate for their child just in case their child may decide that they are not human after all, but a dragon or a cat instead :rolleyes::

Transgender woman Eva Tiamat Medusa removes ears and nose to become 'dragon lady' | Daily Mail Online

Norway woman says she's a CAT trapped in a human body | Daily Mail Online
 
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Eh.. I don't know. On the one hand, some teenagers would benefit from a higher acceptance of their gender issues, but on the other hand, this seems to get a bit extreme.
 
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『The number of children being referred to gender identity clinics has quadrupled in the past five years, figures show.
Good. I hope this does a lot to bring down the suicide rate among transgendered teens, getting proper help and support for themselves.

Experts have warned that the huge spike is, in part, due to the promotion of transgender issues in schools which they say has encouraged to question their identity, and “sowed confusion” in their minds.』

Number of children being referred to gender identity clinics has quadrupled in five years
What "experts" said that? What are their qualifications?
 
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You likely have a number of things going on here.

- Increased awareness of the issue means that kids with a real issue that would have otherwise been ignored are now seeking appropriate counseling
- Increased awareness of the issue means kids and parents overreact when kids don't really fit into normal gender roles, so they self label as transgender and seek counseling when they really aren't.
- It's easy to quadruple a small number.
 
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Well, a couple of key factors to keep things in context...

The fact that the number of children being referred to these clinics in 5 years spiked doesn't necessarily mean there's a equitable spike in gender identity issues themselves, only a spike in recognition and "coming out" so to speak...

Any sort of feelings pertaining to things that have a hefty social stigma are more likely to start becoming less internalized and more externalized as levels of dialog and understanding increase.


People mistake "dialog & awareness" for "promotion" and they're not the same thing.

It's not a case where "they talked about that stuff in school and made my little Billy want to become a girl!"

It's actually a case of "little Billy was already having those feelings, and the fact that it has started being discussed more openly made Billy feel more comfortable about externalizing those feelings"


Any time you you have certain feelings or emotional issues that a portrayed by society as something that should a source of shame and embarrassment, fewer people are going to be open about it and instead, just try to bottle it up, internalize it, and try to cope.

As society progresses and is more willing to talk about those things in a non-judgmental manner, more and more of those people are going to stop internalizing, and start expressing how they feel.

That's essentially what's happening with this issue... much like it happened for gay issues, interracial issues, religious issues, etc...


The flawed logic that many people are using would be like looking at germany 5 years after the war, and saying "more and more people are coming out and openly claiming to be Jewish compared to 5 years ago...conclusion: The Konrad Adenauer administration is making people want to turn Jewish!"
 
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Well, a couple of key factors to keep things in context...

The fact that the number of children being referred to these clinics in 5 years spiked doesn't necessarily mean there's a equitable spike in gender identity issues themselves, only a spike in recognition and "coming out" so to speak...

Any sort of feelings pertaining to things that have a hefty social stigma are more likely to start becoming less internalized and more externalized as levels of dialog and understanding increase.


People mistake "dialog & awareness" for "promotion" and they're not the same thing.

It's not a case where "they talked about that stuff in school and made my little Billy want to become a girl!"

It's actually a case of "little Billy was already having those feelings, and the fact that it has started being discussed more openly made Billy feel more comfortable about externalizing those feelings"


Any time you you have certain feelings or emotional issues that a portrayed by society as something that should a source of shame and embarrassment, fewer people are going to be open about it and instead, just try to bottle it up, internalize it, and try to cope.

As society progresses and is more willing to talk about those things in a non-judgmental manner, more and more of those people are going to stop internalizing, and start expressing how they feel.

That's essentially what's happening with this issue... much like it happened for gay issues, interracial issues, religious issues, etc...


The flawed logic that many people are using would be like looking at germany 5 years after the war, and saying "more and more people are coming out and openly claiming to be Jewish compared to 5 years ago...conclusion: The Konrad Adenauer administration is making people want to turn Jewish!"
Can you comment on the specifics in the article. Such as confusing small child.
 
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Can you comment on the specifics in the article. Such as confusing small child.
You mean the opinion of this Dr Williams, who is just one person but makes up over half of the article?
 
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『The number of children being referred to gender identity clinics has quadrupled in the past five years, figures show.

Experts have warned that the huge spike is, in part, due to the promotion of transgender issues in schools which they say has encouraged to question their identity, and “sowed confusion” in their minds.』

Number of children being referred to gender identity clinics has quadrupled in five years

Teenager to mom: "All the kids are doing it, mom! Everyone will make fun of me if I'm cis! It's not fair! You never let me do anything!!!
 
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And the other thing? The more the parents freak out, the more likely the behavior is to continue (among those that are experimenting.)

I completely agree that most (all that I've seen) is peer and parent based. I never agreed with the "it's my parents fault" until I become a teacher. Lol

Parents of transgender kids that I've had tend to either encourage it too much or freak out too much. A lot don't understand basic child psychology. They think a boy playing dress up at 4 or 5 means they want to be a girl. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
 
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