I'm a pediatrician. How transgender ideology has infiltrated my field and produced wide scale....

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Yes, interesting that another person's opinion on the subject is being boosted who cannot properly read the Swedish study (see point 8). She completely ignores that the study itself says that those who transitioned after 1989 don't have the high suicide rate. It's literally in the language of the study itself. Look under Discussion, paragraph 2. It's in plain black and white. But that's not the only problem with her opinion piece. Here's three more:

Point 5 she refers to a study from 2003 of 30 trans individuals to say that it's unsafe. She wrote this study a few days ago. Why she would pick this study when there is a more recent (2012), much more extensive study of a much larger (over 1,000) population is unclear, unless you look at the results of the study. The study she presented says there is a high risk. The larger, more recent study says it's safe.

In point 4, her conclusion that the medical protocol leads children to identify as transgender is unsupported and ignores the reality of the requirements for medical treatment (mainly that the child already persistently, consistently and insistently identify as transgender). It's rather a bizarre way to look at the cases.

Point 7 demonstrates a lack of awareness of the studies done. Keep in mind she wrote this article in July 2017 and notes here that "there is no evidence" that affirmation helps children. Yet there is. The study is over a year before this article. "no evidence" indeed.

Point 2 she talks about the supposedly high desist rate of "trans children". That information is challenged in this paper, which I don't have full access to, but quoting part of what I can see:

The 3 largest and most-cited studies have reported on the adolescent or adult gender identities of cohots who had, in childhood, showed gender "typical" patterns of behavior. Of those who could be followed up, a minority were transgender. 1 of 44, 9 of 45, and 21 of 54. Most of the remaining children later identifies as gay, lesbian, or bisexual (although a small number also was heterosexual).
However, close inspection of these studies suggests that most children in these studies were not transgender to begin with. In 2 studies, a large minority (40% and 25%) of the children did not meet the criteria for GID to start with, suggesting they were not transgender (because transgender children would meet the criteria).

Hand typed, because the site has an image of the text. Any errors are likely mine and citations have been omitted.

If you actually want to understand the subject matter, I wouldn't turn to folks who are cherry picking their presentation and ignoring the current science on the subject.
 
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Yes, interesting that another person's opinion on the subject is being boosted who cannot properly read the Swedish study (see point 8). She completely ignores that the study itself says that those who transitioned after 1989 don't have the high suicide rate. It's literally in the language of the study itself. Look under Discussion, paragraph 2. It's in plain black and white. But that's not the only problem with her opinion piece. Here's three more:

Point 5 she refers to a study from 2003 of 30 trans individuals to say that it's unsafe. She wrote this study a few days ago. Why she would pick this study when there is a more recent (2012), much more extensive study of a much larger (over 1,000) population is unclear, unless you look at the results of the study. The study she presented says there is a high risk. The larger, more recent study says it's safe.

In point 4, her conclusion that the medical protocol leads children to identify as transgender is unsupported and ignores the reality of the requirements for medical treatment (mainly that the child already persistently, consistently and insistently identify as transgender). It's rather a bizarre way to look at the cases.

Point 7 demonstrates a lack of awareness of the studies done. Keep in mind she wrote this article in July 2017 and notes here that "there is no evidence" that affirmation helps children. Yet there is. The study is over a year before this article. "no evidence" indeed.

If you actually want to understand the subject matter, I wouldn't turn to folks who are cherry picking their presentation and ignoring the current science on the subject.

It is always concerning when a person who should know better - in this case a Pediatrition - opines on a study either without reading it or by cherry picking what they desire out of it and ignoring the rest. It is forgivable when laypeople fall for it, trusting these professionals to be, uh, professional. Thanks for taking the time to clear up these distortions.
 
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One further point on twin studies:

She says, in her point 1 that "Identical twins contain 100 percent of the same DNA from conception and are exposed to the same prenatal hormones."

Is that true?

Well, according to a study from 2008 (that's roughly 9 years before her article), identical twins do not necessarily have identical DNA. Oops. That should call into question the conclusions she makes based on the faulty premise.
 
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Challenging bad information is better for everyone. That's all I did here.
To be blunt, expecting people to take your word (a biased transgender person, and being no notable authority at all to the best of our knowledge, being that this is mostly an anonymous forum) over the words of an actual pediatric and professional just ain't gonna happen.
 
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To be blunt, expecting people to take your word (a biased transgender person, and being no notable authority at all to the best of our knowledge, being that this is mostly an anonymous forum) over the words of an actual pediatric and professional just ain't gonna happen.

That's why I linked to the work of actual professionals. Nobody is expected to take my word over that of anyone. I gave my sources. You want to ignore the facts, be my guest, but it's not going to make her correct on those points.

However, ad hominem attacks against me are meaningless. Do you want to actually address the findings of the studies I posted and how they contradict her on the points or just attack me personally?

For what it's worth, don't pretend that she's not biased. Just because she's a medical professional doesn't mean that she's necessarily correct. Blinding yourself to the facts because of her degree is doing you no favors.
 
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That's why I linked to the work of actual professionals. Nobody is expected to take my word over that of anyone. I gave my sources. You want to ignore the facts, be my guest, but it's not going to make her correct on those points.

However, ad hominem attacks against me are meaningless. Do you want to actually address the findings of the studies I posted and how they contradict her on the points or just attack me personally?

For what it's worth, don't pretend that she's not biased. Just because she's a medical professional doesn't mean that she's necessarily correct. Blinding yourself to the facts because of her degree is doing you no favors.
I didn't attack you personally at all. It's a fact that you are transgender, it's a fact that this person is a professional, and it is my opinion that you're biased based on your defense of transgenderism in any thread that is about it. I too am a biased person in many things.
 
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I didn't attack you personally at all. It's a fact that you are transgender, it's a fact that this person is a professional, and it is my opinion that you're biased based on your defense of transgenderism in any thread that is about it. I too am a biased person in many things.

Your entire response to this thread has been about me, rather than about what I post. That's why I stated that your posts are personal attacks, rather than say, attacks on the information. Not that you are insulting me in anyway.

I also didn't "expect people to take my word" on anything.

So here we are.
 
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Your entire response to this thread has been about me, rather than about what I post. That's why I stated that your posts are personal attacks, rather than say, attacks on the information. Not that you are insulting me in anyway.

I also didn't "expect people to take my word" on anything.

So here we are.
I'm not arguing with you about it.
 
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Your entire response to this thread has been about me, rather than about what I post. That's why I stated that your posts are personal attacks, rather than say, attacks on the information. Not that you are insulting me in anyway.

I also didn't "expect people to take my word" on anything.

So here we are.

You drew my attention to what the study the Pediatrition cited really said, I appreciate that. Try not to let negative criticism prevent you from spreading truth and correcting what isn't quite right. In this case, the Pediatrician was wrong, and it is hard to imagine she wasn't telling half-truths on purpose. I'm surprised more people aren't thanking you for shining a light on the inaccuracies.
 
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This is the reason I don't support transition. It doesn't solve the problem. It doesn't make transgender individuals happier, or bring down the suicide rates. And like the article says, 75-95% of transgender kids grow out of it--it's morally wrong to transition them.
When I was in the 3rd grade, I went through a phase where I acted girlish. And I grew out of it.

Thank God it wasn't in a time like today.
 
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When I was in the 3rd grade, I went through a phase where I acted girlish. And I grew out of it.

Thank God it wasn't in a time like today.

^_^ Very true, your childhood could have ended up much differently.

I think most of us have done something similar. Almost all girls go through some kind of tomboy age or phase. My brother liked to carry my moms purse around in the house because he was just around women during the day, but he grew up completely male. Now of days though...
 
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Yes, interesting that another person's opinion on the subject is being boosted who cannot properly read the Swedish study (see point 8). She completely ignores that the study itself says that those who transitioned after 1989 don't have the high suicide rate. It's literally in the language of the study itself. Look under Discussion, paragraph 2. It's in plain black and white. But that's not the only problem with her opinion piece.

Quote the whole paragraph:

Table 2 separately lists the outcomes depending on when sex reassignment was performed: during the period 1973-1988 or 1989–2003. Even though the overall mortality was increased across both time periods, it did not reach statistical significance for the period 1989–2003. The Kaplan-Meier curve (Figure 1) suggests that survival of transsexual persons started to diverge from that of matched controls after about 10 years of follow-up. The cause-specific mortality from suicide was much higher in sex-reassigned persons, compared to matched controls.

They note that higher mortality rates start to kick in after 10 years or so. Suicide is a key factor.

Also from the study:

Sex-reassigned persons had a higher risk of inpatient care for a psychiatric disorder other than gender identity disorder than controls matched on birth year and birth sex (Table 2). This held after adjustment for prior psychiatric morbidity, and was true regardless of whether sex reassignment occurred before or after 1989.

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Mortality from suicide was strikingly high among sex-reassigned persons, also after adjustment for prior psychiatric morbidity. In line with this, sex-reassigned persons were at increased risk for suicide attempts. Previous reports [6], [8], [10], [11] suggest that transsexualism is a strong risk factor for suicide, also after sex reassignment, and our long-term findings support the need for continued psychiatric follow-up for persons at risk to prevent this.
 
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Point 5 she refers to a study from 2003 of 30 trans individuals to say that it's unsafe. She wrote this study a few days ago. Why she would pick this study when there is a more recent (2012), much more extensive study of a much larger (over 1,000) population is unclear, unless you look at the results of the study. The study she presented says there is a high risk. The larger, more recent study says it's safe.

Well it does uphold the notion that "current, but not past ethinyl estradiol use was associated with an independent threefold increased risk of cardiovascular death"

But there are workarounds for that.

However, your article which summarizes the findings omitted an element that was present in the abstract for the actual study:

In the MtF group, total mortality was 51% higher than in the general population, mainly from increased mortality rates due to suicide, acquired immunodeficiency syndrome, cardiovascular disease, drug abuse, and unknown cause.

A long-term follow-up study of mortality in transsexuals receiving treatment with cross-sex hormones. - PubMed - NCBI


You can find the text of the whole study here:

A long-term follow-up study of mortality in transsexuals receiving treatment with cross-sex hormones (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public...s_receiving_treatment_with_cross-sex_hormones

More details on the mortality rate


The increased mortality in MtF in the 25–39 years of age group (SMR 4.47; 95% CI: 4.04–4.92) was mainly due to the relatively high
numbers of suicides (in six), drugs-related death
(in four), and death due to AIDS (in 13 subjects).
In 40–64 year age group, the SMR of total mortality
was increased with 1.42 (95% CI: 1.35–1.48).

The higher rate as compared with the general
population was largely explained by eight suicides
(where only one was expected on the basis of mortality
data in the general population) and 17 deaths from
cardiovascular diseases (where only eight were
expected). In the relatively small MtF group over 65
years of age, total mortality was not increased (SMR
0.95, 95% CI: 0.86–1.06) as compared to the general
population.
 
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